VF500 F2 Rear Wheel Impossible!

[Pcohen]

There is a lot more damage to the bracket on the recent pic vs the one on the first page. I never got the spacers mixed up either. If you have anything more to say to me i just PM'd you my phone number

[slowbird]

There is a lot more damage to the bracket on the recent pic vs the one on the first page. I never got the spacers mixed up either. If you have anything more to say to me i just PM'd you my phone number

First there was no damage and now there is merely more damage then before.

I see no reason to discuss anything with you over a long distance phone call.

I never wanted to bring this up since it will serve no purpose but create an argument.

I only bring it up now because I'm trying to bring in the Hypothesis that the kit never properly fit your bike.

...and I only make that Hypothesis since the claim that you had no issues with your bike and this kit seems to be a prime topic in the fitment issues I am having.

[slowbird]

The kit is on it's way to Jamie....I'm excited to see how everything is going to turn out.

[Sebspeed]

The kit is on it's way to Jamie....I'm excited to see how everything is going to turn out.

I am too, should be interesting!

[slowbird]

I am hoping that Jamie finds an issue with the kit. (I know that is not what Jamie is hoping for but it's the easiest explanation and solution)

I don't think it will in anyway make Jamie seem any less capable or taint his reputation in any way.

Infact....if he finds there's an issue with something and replaces it I would think that would be a tremendous showing of Jamies concern for quality and customer satisfaction.

But alas....I am getting ahead of myself.

[matt1986vf500f]

dude i've spoken with jamie a bunch of time over the phone he is commited to customer service and stands by all his parts & designs you could'nt find a better person to hve on the case..

[slowbird]

dude i've spoken with jamie a bunch of time over the phone he is commited to customer service and stands by all his parts & designs you could'nt find a better person to hve on the case..

I agree.

I hope my last post didn't make it seem like I meant otherwise?

[Sebspeed]

Anything come of this yet?

[cornercarver]

waiting as well...i think i have found a rear from an F2 for one of the boys bikes but will still need another and want to se how this is handled...

plus i may need some work on the front wheels and want to add an F3 or F4 rear shock to both bikes

[JamieDaugherty]

I checked all of the parts and they are dimensionally correct. The next step is to try and fit them to my own bike. I've been down for the past few days with a nasty case of the flu (H1N1?) so once I get to feeling better I'll have more to report.

[slowbird]

I checked all of the parts and they are dimensionally correct. The next step is to try and fit them to my own bike. I've been down for the past few days with a nasty case of the flu (H1N1?) so once I get to feeling better I'll have more to report.

Get better soon guy.


Jamie....can I ask what bikes you'll be trying on and what year? Any chance getting it on an 86?

[JamieDaugherty]

Get better soon guy.


Jamie....can I ask what bikes you'll be trying on and what year? Any chance getting it on an 86?

I'll be putting it on one of my 84's. All years are the same though. I've had many of them installed on 86's and they fit perfectly (Matt's is an 86, for example).

[slowbird]

I'll be putting it on one of my 84's. All years are the same though. I've had many of them installed on 86's and they fit perfectly (Matt's is an 86, for example).

I understand....and if you don't have an 86 to try it on then I can't really complain.

But if it fits your 84 I am still in the same position I was in before....wondering what is different from my bike that it won't fit on properly.

....but we will cross that bridge when we get to it.

[supertex]

Check the part fiche and see if they have different numbers on the swingarm.

[tinkerinWstuff]

Good luck with that flu. I had it a couple weeks ago and it's bruttle.

[invisible cities]

Check the part fiche and see if they have different numbers on the swingarm.

http://images.cmsnl.com/img/partslis...f2e23_1d1b.gif

all years read: OEM#: 52110-KE7-000

[slowbird]

The brake caliper brackets have different part numbers iirc

[invisible cities]

The brake caliper brackets have different part numbers iirc

I'm reading that they are all the same, do you have other intel?

http://images.cmsnl.com/img/partslis...f2e13_6c4f.gif

Part No. 4

'84 43110-MJ6-006
'85 43110-MJ6-006
'86 43110-MJ6-006

[slowbird]

I think I checked on bike bandit....I don't recall.

[Sebspeed]

Anything new??

[slowbird]

Jamie has very nicely modified the Kit and sent it back to me....he told me he was going to explain in detail what exactly was done and what he found here in this thread when he finds some time.

[JamieDaugherty]

Sorry for the delay in posting my findings, November is always the start of the busy time for me.

My first inspections showed that everything measured correctly. No parts were outside of the specified print tolerances. Since that part checked out ok, I proceeded to investigate the issues that Slowbird was experiencing. I had the three major ones listed as:

1) The bracket was touching the rotor bolts when the wheel rotates
2) The tab on the swingarm was pushing against the bracket and would not allow it to sit straight.
3) The last spacer was difficult to insert between the caliper bracket and the chain adjuster.


I chose to work from the centerline out. To correct item #1 I added 0.5mm to the thickness of the spacer that goes between the wheel bearing and the caliper bracket. Checking the rotor position in relation to the bracket I found it to still be acceptable.

For #2 I was compounded by the addition of the 0.5mm to the above spacer. Adjusting for that plus an additional amount to generate the clearance still provided an acceptable amount of engagement with the tab. Overall the adjustment was 2mm.

#3 was easy, the last spacer was shortened to ensure a slip fit during installation.

AS you can see, the changes were pretty small in magnitude. The adjustment for the swingarm tab was the biggest hitter, and it was probably overkill. The 2mm change is convenient because that is the next shorter length fastener available. I made the same adjustments to the parts on my own bike just to be sure the changes would not have any negative effects. My oldest two kids, who are ages 7 and 4, helped me put everything together. They didn't have any issues getting spacers in place, etc., and anyone with young children will tell you that if they can manage it with minimal instruction anyone should be able to.

As mentioned, I'm going to make these changes permanent to reduce the risk of this happening again. Thanks go out to Slowbird for his patience and help throughout this process!

[slowbird]

Thanks Jamie for all your help.

I received the kit today and when I get some time I'll head out to where I'm storing the bike and get that wheel fitted

[slowbird]

Can I please get a confirmation of what order these spacers need to go in please?

.....because the caliper bracket is still rubbing the rotor

[slowbird]

[matt1986vf500f]

the small one goes inbetween the swing arm and the sprocket the meduim one goes between the wheel and caliper bracket and the fat one goes to the outside of the caliper barcket and swing arm

[slowbird]

the small one goes inbetween the swing arm and the sprocket the meduim one goes between the wheel and caliper bracket and the fat one goes to the outside of the caliper barcket and swing arm

Thats the opposite of what Ive been told and what I remember but I will try it that way.

At the moment I have the Medium between the swingarm & sprocket and the small between the Wheel and the caliper bracket

[JamieDaugherty]

At the moment I have the Medium between the swingarm & sprocket and the small between the Wheel and the caliper bracket

That is correct - the thinnest one, which is now 8.5mm, is what goes between the caliper bracket and the wheel. The 10mm thick spacer goes on the far left between the sprocket carrier and the swingarm.

[JamieDaugherty]

Here are some pictures of your parts installed on my bike:







I'm still not sure what's going on, because as you can see above everything fit my bike perfectly.

[slowbird]

I can make the rotor fit straight like in those pictures....but as soon as I try lining up the notches on the chain adjusters the rotor starts to rub.

The smallest spacer is now 8.5mm? I thought it was 8mm before...?