anyone unhappy with the power commander?

[hondajt]

I am wanting to purchase a new Power Commander III USB, but am wanting to see if anyone bought one that isn't happy with it?

Or does everyone love it?

Are the pre-made maps better than stock? I am hoping it will make my bike run better after modifying my exhaust.

[deepdish]

sorry I was watching the girl shaking what she got what you say??'

[Action]

I would get the PC V. You can add the auto tune module and build your own custom maps (check out the Power COmmander site for more info). There are several maps available for download that work well. You'll get the best performance out of a map customized for your bike, either using the auto tune module or having one done on a dino.

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[hondajt]

They do not make a PC 5 for my bike, just the USB.

[Action]

Actually the Power Commanders (V or III) are the same for all 6th gens. They have different maps loaded for the 06 and newer bikes due the different VTEC engagement point.

Someone asked the same question on VFRD, according to Coderighter -

"You're right, Dynojet doesn't make or support the PCV for any bike built before '09. We know that the VFR hasn't been changed since '02. We know there are 2 model numbers of PCIII listed for 6th gen one for '02-'05 (#111-411) and one for '06 to '08 (#126-411). Those parts number are the same hardware, the only difference is the preloaded map. The "411" is the hardware and the or 3 digit number is the "stock" map for that model. I ran a '02-'05 unit on my '06 for a year with no problem. If you look, most Honda's use the same hardware, just different maps, example, the '06 CBR600 is #117-411. Guess what? If someone is having a sell on '06 CBR600 PCIII you can get it change the map, and you're good to go.

Like I said before the maps for the '06-'08 PCIII are the exact same as the '09 maps for the PCV. The only difference is the addition of a 15% throttle settings that the PCIII doesn't have. Why they decided not to back support years of current bike models I don't know for sure. Maybe the parts for the PCIII are cheaper (older technology) and there's a bigger profit margin? Perhaps they have a large stock of PCIII parts they need gone? I don't know. If you want one just order one for a '09, it will work just fine.

Also, as a side note, there are 2 models of Autotune. AT-100 for the Harley folks and AT-200 for everybody else. On the Harley's, they do each cylinder separate, so the kit includes to complete units for $349. The other kit, with a single unit, is $199. So if you and a friend get together, you each save $25. The Autotune has no brains, it really a repackaged Wideband 2 unit. It only supplies the info to the PCV. "
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[hondajt]

Action, I do not have a 6th gen. It will not work. But thank you for trying.

Again, I am just trying to find out if anyone isn't happy with there purchase. What a great product if it's a 100% Satisfaction rating.

[Sippy]

I was very satisfied with my PCIII. The pre-loaded map was good enough for me. I don't notice any hesitation or flat spots through-out the power band with the pre-loaded map. It made the bike much smoother, but quicker with regards to the throttle response (i.e. that knee-jerk reaction of throttle on/off with stock bike). The unit is a bit pricey, but it made the ride much more enjoyable.

[Action]

Hondajt - Sorry bro, I didn't read the year close enough. Might have had something to do with the proximity of your avatar to the bike year. I know, its also in the 5th gen section, guess I'll take two demerits on that one.

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[hondajt]

Hondajt - Sorry bro, I didn't read the year close enough. Might have had something to do with the proximity of your avatar to the bike year. I know, its also in the 5th gen section, guess I'll take two demerits on that one.

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It's all good, it made me chuckle.

As for the other responses, I really appreciate it.

What about buying from there website vs other online merchant's?

[steven113]

I purchased mine about a month or two ago online (EBAY) just to find out recently when I took the bike to have a custom map made that it is the wrong unit. When I recieved it I questioned if it was the right one because packaging read 2002-2005 I believe but the merchant assured me that it also covered 98-01 models (Wrong!). I suppose I should have checked the connectors to see if they matched up instead of just setting it up on the shelf until I was ready to have it tuned. If anyone is in the market for a USB III for a 6th gen let me know.

[kingsley]

I just don't see the need for a PC on the 5th gen. Mine runs great. Before and after I put a pipe on it.

I had a V-strom 1000 before - now that bike could use some help!

[steven113]

I have installed a motad exaust, k&n filter and jardine RT1 pipe. now the bike tends to foul plugs(rich fuel mixture). The PC3 i belive is necessary in this case to alleviate my problem.

[CandyRedRC46]

i just installed a pc3 usp on mine this past weekend and without a doubt its the best modification that i have done to my bike. my bike had a really bad flat spot from about 5 grand to the vtec transition point. it also was a little scary applying the gas mid corner. i have a lot of mods on my bike and the fueling was way off! ive done only one mod at a time so i didnt really notice how bad it was. the vtecs already have shity fueling as is stock and it only got worse with each mod.
the bike is now super smooth EVERYWHERE and has phenomenal midrange torque. i did not use any of the maps supplied by dynojet, though. i went on vfrd and loaded the only map that i could find for a 06+ vfr with a motad header. it seemed to have been modified almost as much as mine, minus the pair, evap, and velocity stacks. it feels perfect right now, but i still want to get it dyno tuned eventually.
i know yours is a 5th gen and isnt in as desperate need of a pc as the vtecs, but the fact that you have the 00-01 with o2 sensors, i think you could really benefit from o2 eliminators and a good tune.

[ace57]

I, as well, just put a power commander III on my '07 Anniv. last weekend. Now barring the fact that everybody knows that the RWB bikes are inherently faster out of the box than other viffers anyway...

...the PCIII is an awesome addition for me. As others said, the most noticeable difference is smoother throttle response throughout the powerband. I used a cozye version for '06 vfrs modified by "jonsey." Definately not a dynojet map. With my Scorp pipes, O2 sensor eliminators and a K&N filter, I think its a sweet combo.

ace57

[CandyRedRC46]

I, as well, just put a power commander III on my '07 Anniv. last weekend. Now barring the fact that everybody knows that the RWB bikes are inherently faster out of the box than other viffers anyway...

...the PCIII is an awesome addition for me. As others said, the most noticeable difference is smoother throttle response throughout the powerband. I used a cozye version for '06 vfrs modified by "jonsey." Definately not a dynojet map. With my Scorp pipes, O2 sensor eliminators and a K&N filter, I think its a sweet combo.

ace57

+1 except for that rwb comment lol
but i would be a little hesitant to use a map that was not actually tested out and made on a dyno...

[VFRidder]

the addition of a pc on any of the 8 bikes iv had threw the years...
helped to smooth out the throttle,alleviate flat spots in the powerband,and if your lucky enough to get a custom map done on a dyno.....
you can get a lil better performance from an engine
that has been detuned from the factory....with out any ill effects that iv experienced.
my last bike before my 99 vfr was a 05 R1....
i spent nearly 300 for a map done on a dyno...the first time id done this.
the differance was verry noticable....not just in my head...dyno proven gains.
so in the hands of a real tuner....there excellent imop
using a premade map...from dyno jet is still beneficial as well.
if you are lucky enough to get an uploaded map from someone that also had a map done
at a real dyno shop....that fits your mods....
you may be very happy with it...even if it costs you.

[ace57]

Hey 46
that red is pretty damn sharp, I will admit.

As far as the map, the cozye version I downloaded was from the vfrdiscussion website in their download forum.

Why should I be hesitant in using it? What should I be looking for that would be an indication that its a no-no?

The bike runs very smooooth at all rpms, no popping or hesitations, no noticeable flat spots or hiccups....

Is there a chance of too rich? ... I guess?

cya
ace57

[CandyRedRC46]

Hey 46
that red is pretty damn sharp, I will admit.

As far as the map, the cozye version I downloaded was from the vfrdiscussion website in their download forum.

Why should I be hesitant in using it? What should I be looking for that would be an indication that its a no-no?

The bike runs very smooooth at all rpms, no popping or hesitations, no noticeable flat spots or hiccups....

Is there a chance of too rich? ... I guess?

cya
ace57

back atcha brotha
i wouldnt worry about it too much as just about any map is gonna be way better than stock. the stock map on our bikes is extremely lean in the midrange and then goes to pig rich on the top end. im just saying that i wouldnt say your map should be end all map, just until you get some spare time and cash and get one made specifically for "your" bike.

[hondajt]

Well, I am getting one for christmas (Dad already bought it for me, lol). Thanks for the input y'all.

Silly Question: Are the o2 eliminators longer than the stock O2 sensors? It's very tight, and I have some custom heatshielding done, just want to make sure I don't have to re-do anything later....

[Action]

The eliminators are a small shorting plug that goes in your wiring harness at the plug for the sensors. All they do is fool the ECU into thinking the the 02 heaters are not up to temp so the ECU never wants to use the sensors. The actual sensors stay in place unless you pull them and place a cap the holes. No extra room required.

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[Mark 024]

I have just been browsing the ebay store. I came across an Emission Removal - Smog Valve Removal Kit. It states to be useful to eliminate error when making air/fuel ratio measurements - a must if you are going to Dyno your bike. I have been thinking about a PC and I do not know about the SVRK. Can anyone fill me in?

[CandyRedRC46]

you are probably looking at pair valves removal/block-off plates...
do some searching on "pair valves" here on vfrworld.
it is easy to do with out purchasing the kit.

[coderighter]

Action, I do not have a 6th gen. It will not work. But thank you for trying.

Again, I am just trying to find out if anyone isn't happy with there purchase. What a great product if it's a 100% Satisfaction rating.

PCV WILL work on 5th gen, no problem. Lots of new benefits with it.

[hondajt]

PCV WILL work on 5th gen, no problem. Lots of new benefits with it.

Appreciate the info! Where did you get that information?

[coderighter]

Appreciate the info! Where did you get that information?

1. You'll find the connectors are the same and the operation of the FI system is the same, even thou the maps my be different.
2. Some members on VFRD recently did it.
3. Fuel Moto sells a "kit" for it. Dynojet Power Commander V Five