Well, the pants came in today. The Caliber.
Now, I'm undecided about returning them.
They are too thick. I barely ride in winter.
With the liner, I was very hot just walking around in the house.
Off went the liner. Now they are ok.
But I'd probably wear them as pants not overpants.
Still, I'm not sure if I will fry under the sun with them on.
In terms of protection, they get an A+
Nice padding for the hips, back, shin, knees. the knee pads are adjustable.
The accordion pieces are very nice too.
Zippers and Velcro all over.
In terms of looks, they look awesome. nice design.
I really like them. still, I'm concerned about the heat factor.
So, I found until now

that Tour Master makes mesh pants.
I think I'll get those instead. or not.
These seem to have too much mesh and less padding.
undecided... for now
To be continued...