VF500 F2 Rear Wheel Impossible!

[JamieDaugherty]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Okay....so first thing is getting the Carrier in the wheel...and since using a mallet or my body weight won't make it go in any further, it must be something else.

Jamie: Does the kit require you use the F2 Rubber dampers or the VF500 ones?

The VF500 and CBR cush drive are identical, so it doesn't matter. Normally I use the CBR ones, but only because they are usually in better shape.

It might help to see the under side of the sprocket carrier to see if the spacer in there is seated all of the way.

[matt1986vf500f]

but his problem is he cant get the carrier to seat all the way.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by matt1986vf500f

take the crush drives out of the 500 wheel and put them into the CBR wheel see if this works or helps

Tried this....no dice.

Originally Posted by JamieDaugherty

It might help to see the under side of the sprocket carrier to see if the spacer in there is seated all of the way.

Is it not something visabile in any of the pictures I posted earlier?

UPDATE:

I am unable to get the carrier any further in the wheel and everything still won't fit.

These are pics with everything in...but without the right (last) Chain adjuster in.





Also looks like the caliper bracket won't slide deeply into that little thing on the swingarm.

This is all very frustrating and painful

[matt1986vf500f]

the rotor looks like its resting against the caliper bracket..like the wheel is cocked to one side or the other?


do this try to take the crush drives out of the wheel ( only for testing purposes ) and see if the carrier sits all the way in then..

[matt1986vf500f]

went back out and removed the rear caliper this is what mine looks like

anyone else having problems adding picture here?


Picture502.jpg picture by matt1986vf500f - Photobucket

Picture503.jpg picture by matt1986vf500f - Photobucket

Picture504.jpg picture by matt1986vf500f - Photobucket

[slowbird]

I tried the carrier without the Cush drive rubber bits and it still sticks out to far....and it seats on the center of the carrier somewhere.

Tried a few hours longer with aid of a portable light...still won't fit.

Why won't this carrier sit right? Pat said he had to pry open the swingarm to make this fit....I don't wanna install it like that.

What's wrong that the carrier won't seat better?

[matt1986vf500f]

Originally Posted by slowbird

I tried the carrier without the Cush drive rubber bits and it still sticks out to far....and it seats on the center of the carrier somewhere.

Tried a few hours longer with aid of a portable light...still won't fit.

Why won't this carrier sit right? Pat said he had to pry open the swingarm to make this fit....I don't wanna install it like that.

What's wrong that the carrier won't seat better?

man i dont have a clue at this point wouldnt think it would be that big of a bitch to seat in there

[xtravbx]

So there has to be something on the carrier or the wheel that is touching before allowing them to seat flush enough. What is touching??

[Pcohen]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Why won't this carrier sit right? Pat said he had to pry open the swingarm to make this fit....I don't wanna install it like that.

I wouldn't say I had to "pry open my swingarm". I didn't have to exerpt a masive amount of force to get it in either; it just needed a guide because it maybe was off by 1/16th of an inch. I really didn't even have a lot of trouble with it.. i got it fixed up in probably 45min. I put good 1,000 mles on it too. No problems. If it was off by enough to actually bend the swingarm then it would have been alot more trouble to get in than it was.

[slowbird]

I've tried putting everything on the axle and trying to slide everything in....no good.

I've tried sliding the axle through the swing arm and through the wheel but still no good.

Originally Posted by xtravbx

So there has to be something on the carrier or the wheel that is touching before allowing them to seat flush enough. What is touching??

I guess

The inside of the carrier is that little bearing thing...and the rest of it sits on the rubber bits of the Cush drive.
I tried squeezing the carrier tighter into the wheel with a rubber and plastic hand clamp thing and it doesn't stay tight!

Originally Posted by Pcohen

If it was off by enough to actually bend the swingarm then it would have been alot more trouble to get in than it was.

Sounds like my issue....alot of trouble.

[matt1986vf500f]

jamie step in here and tell us what could be the cause for this.

[Sebspeed]

At the risk of having my wrist slapped for trying to help - how about you two(Pcohen & slowbird) both measure the inside of your swingarms. Inside to inside at the very end of the arm would be best.

Of course, this should be done with the wheel out, so that it can be measured properly.

Matt, wouldn't hurt to get a dimension from you either.

[JamieDaugherty]

Originally Posted by matt1986vf500f

but his problem is he cant get the carrier to seat all the way.

Correct - that's the problem.

I think at this point it's fruitless to try and fit the wheel up until the sprocket carrier issue gets resolved. We know very well that it won't fit that way, as would be expected. I wouldn't bother measuring the swingarms as they don't vary in width that much. These are Hondas.

Slowbird, can you get me a close-up of the inside of the sprocket carrier?

[Sebspeed]

It's simple process of elimination. What if a previous owner fubared his swingarm? With the mostly unknown history of a bike this old, who's to say it's still "as delivered from Honda"?

Here's a pic slowbird posted on page 1 - close enough??

[slowbird]

Hey Jamie...let me know if the picture above is good or not or if you need anymore pictures.

[JamieDaugherty]

Originally Posted by Sebspeed

It's simple process of elimination. What if a previous owner fubared his swingarm? With the mostly unknown history of a bike this old, who's to say it's still "as delivered from Honda"?

Here's a pic slowbird posted on page 1 - close enough??

Not likely at all. I don't put much past that ability for a PO to hose something up, but the force it would take to compress a swingarm - and still allow the stock wheel to fit - is tremendous. I'd forget about that as it's not the problem.

Ok, the inside of the sprocket carrier looks ok. What about the wheel itself? Something is keeping the carrier from fitting properly. I've never seen this happen before, so I'm hoping that it means it's something really obvious.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by JamieDaugherty

What about the wheel itself? Something is keeping the carrier from fitting properly. I've never seen this happen before, so I'm hoping that it means it's something really obvious.

[matt1986vf500f]

i dont see anythign that would stop the carrier from going all the way in!? some one stop me and ell me i am wrong but i just dont see anything look like a normal F2 wheel

[slowbird]

When I removed the rubber bits of the cush-drive the Carrier seemed to seat on its center...not on any of the metal parts that go between the rubber bits.

[JamieDaugherty]

Well, about the only thing that stands out to me the surface where the carrier seats against. It's kind of hard to see in the pictures, but it looks like there might be something on it. I've circled it in the picture. I also included a picture of the carrier, I'm wondering if this mark is from something being pinched in there.

[slowbird]

I've cleaned that gunk on the first picture off since taking that...no biggie.

The 2nd pic....hmmm...I need a closer look at that to see what it is.

[xtravbx]

I wonder if all that crud is enough to not make it sit flush. I imagine it is.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by xtravbx

I wonder if all that crud is enough to not make it sit flush. I imagine it is.

It isn't...read my post above.

It's since been cleaned off.

After it was cleaned off I installed the F2 Wheel Minus 1 Chain Adjuster and this is how it looks:

[VF1000RS]

Call me silly, but those cush drive rubbers look like they sit tall over the ribs in the wheel, and like they have wear/grind marks?... I have a couple CBR wheels/cush drives and none have the raised section in the rubber that goes over the wheels, they are all just thin strips that connect the larger rubber to the smaller rubber.

Got another set of cush drive rubbers you can compare?

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by VF1000RS

Call me silly, but those cush drive rubbers look like they sit tall over the ribs in the wheel, and like they have wear/grind marks?

I know right? I thought that too.

Originally Posted by VF1000RS

Got another set of cush drive rubbers you can compare?

I tried using my really old and tattered stock VF500 ones and they make no difference.

I then got the suggestion of trying the Carrier in the F2 wheel with no Cush-Drive Rubbers and the fit was the same....I'd even say it seemd to stick out a bit further.

The carrier would seat on the center but would be wobbly without the rubber bits to hold everything.

[VF1000RS]

Hmmm. Must have misread one of your previous posts. Thought it sat good with the rubbers out. Is the cush drive from the PO who had it good on his bike? Only thing I can think of at theis point is the center spacer in the cush.

[matt1986vf500f]

do what jamie says clean the hell out of the insdie of the F2 wheel untill all the gunk is off of it.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by VF1000RS

Hmmm. Must have misread one of your previous posts. Thought it sat good with the rubbers out. Is the cush drive from the PO who had it good on his bike? Only thing I can think of at theis point is the center spacer in the cush.

Judging by post from the PO on this thread I think it's safe to say this kit didn't fit his bike properly either:

Originally Posted by Pcohen

When i installed the conversion i had the same problem. I put one side in and then, on the other side, I used a flathead screwdriver like a a shoe horn to get the other side in while I hit it with a rubber mallet.

^^ Doesn't sound like a good fit to me.

Originally Posted by matt1986vf500f

do what Jamie says clean the hell out of the insdie of the F2 wheel untill all the gunk is off of it.

Jamie said that Where?

I have cleaned the crud off there already AND tried fitting it again with no luck.

But...in the sake of trying everything I'll get some degreasing wipes and give everything a good once over.

[matt1986vf500f]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Judging by post from the PO on this thread I think it's safe to say this kit didn't fit his bike properly either:


^^ Doesn't sound like a good fit to me.




Jamie said that Where?

I have cleaned the crud off there already AND tried fitting it again with no luck.

But...in the sake of trying everything I'll get some degreasing wipes and give everything a good once over.

sorry he didnt say that but thats what i took from him circleing the spots in the pictures

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by matt1986vf500f

sorry he didnt say that but thats what i took from him circleing the spots in the pictures

No...you are absolutely right.

I had to work today...but when they let me go home I'll start cleaning.