How many of you would buy a VFR 1000

[mello dude]

I seem to remember hearing somewhere that Moto GP was considering moving displacement down to 800cc.
I love my Intercepter, just give it a little more punch. You don't really need to make it 1000cc, just put the technology in the 800 to make it a little stronger.

Yeah - MotoGP bikes are 800cc now -have been for this year. Hondas is a V4 as is the series winning Ducati.

An 800 with more punch would fit the bill too.....

MD

[R.W.]

Yeah - MotoGP bikes are 800cc now -have been for this year. Hondas is a V4 as is the series winning Ducati.

An 800 with more punch would fit the bill too.....

MD

I could diffently live with a revamped 800, they have the technology now and could easily bump it up 20 hp with a little more torque, I was just reading the stock 848 from Ducati is putting out 134 HP



http://www.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/ducati-848.htm

[reg71]

I could diffently live with a revamped 800, they have the technology now and could easily bump it up 20 hp with a little more torque, I was just reading the stock 848 from Ducati is putting out 134 HP

are you kidding me? that thing is getting more tempting all the time. man character and HP. now if they could just give it reliability... who knows maybe they will have it this time... speaking of character check out this bike I saw on craigslist today -> http://slo.craigslist.org/mcy/501279798.html

[PARedVFRRider]

ABSOLUTELY!! Gear driven cams--single sided swingarm--ergos of a 1996 VFR--no linked brakes or VTEC--body work of a 2006--paint scheme in red or red/white/blue(1986) and 30 pounds lighter than current model. Also 4 into one pipe that rides on left exposing entire wheel to 'victims of 1000cc VFR' as you blow by! I will cherish my 86 but would love to add this bike to my garage.

I'm for all of this other than the single sided exhaust, I'm a fan of the underseat dual exhaust. And I am a fan of my ABS on my 2005 so I would keep ABS but have the ability to turn it off like some of the other bikes out there with that feature.

[whoomba]

What year ST ?

Because your the 1st of hundreds that have tried one (including the magazine write ups) that said it was uncomfortable
I bought the ABS '06 model because It had everything the VFR did (except the V-4, & a un motorcycling feel of linked brakes, but the triple sounds just as good) plus bigger CC's & HP as well as the '07/'08 is even more comfortable.
I own VFR's & the Sprint & I got the Sprint because it had what I was tired of waiting from Honda to do what they should of produced .

If Honda finally upgrades her, I'll get one, tell then Not a chance.

look @ my comparison of the 2 @ the beginning of this thread.

a 2007 and it was mainly the seat. I know that can be fixed but even then it didn't have the pull the Futura did.

[mrvfr800]

yes yes yes more power ha ha ha ha!! as long as the ride is still comfortable ill take one all day long

[squirrelman]

MAYBE, ......if i could get a written guarantee of free replacement voltage regulators for life!

[OKCVFR]

I seem to remember hearing somewhere that Moto GP was considering moving displacement down to 800cc.
I love my Intercepter, just give it a little more punch. You don't really need to make it 1000cc, just put the technology in the 800 to make it a little stronger.

You're absolutely correct and it would not be hard for Honda to get a nother 20-30hp out of the current 800cc motor. In order to do this though Honda would have to increase compression and do some tuning, possibly upgrade the Vtec system to operate off of throttle position vice rpm. Could be done if every one was willing to purchase higher octane fuel.

[whoomba]

MAYBE, ......if i could get a written guarantee of free replacement voltage regulators for life!

Ha, even Hondas aren't immune to this.

[Puma Cat]

Interesting thread, and I've thought about this a lot as I wonder what I would do if I had to replace my VFR.

Here's my two cents:

900cc V-4 engine w/ gear-driven cams

Real-world 5th Gen ergos and riding position

40-50 lbs lighter than 5th gen model

Adjustable suspension w/o HMAS

Radial, unlinked brakes

Single-sided swingarm with center stand

Hard points for attaching luggage.

Steel tank for use with magnetic tank bag.

[whoomba]

Interesting thread, and I've thought about this a lot as I wonder what I would do if I had to replace my VFR.

Here's my two cents:

900cc V-4 engine w/ gear-driven cams

Real-world 5th Gen ergos and riding position

40-50 lbs lighter than 5th gen model

Adjustable suspension w/o HMAS

Radial, unlinked brakes

Single-sided swingarm with center stand

Hard points for attaching luggage.

Steel tank for use with magnetic tank bag.

maybe without the steel tank

[Puma Cat]

Reason I mentioned the steel tank is that being able to mount a magnetic tank bag is very, very convenient. I'm struggling with finding a solution for my 600RR, and having to use a strap-based tank bag is a real hassle.

[PorscheBob]

Two VFR models are needed. A 1000cc "Touring/Sport" bike with real world ergos.

* Of course...gear-driven cams, no VTEC, and rewired R/Rs.
Oh, and looks like a '98/99 VFR and has super torque at low RPM. HP around 150 would be nice.

Second model...800cc "Sport" bike with rickey-racer ergos and light weight.
HP at least 130 and maybe a 7 speed tranny. Gear-driven cams a must.

My 3 cents...(inflation)

[RVFR]

I wonder if Honda has seen this thread Hey! Honda! you listening or in this case reading...

[jasonsmith]

I wonder if Honda has seen this thread Hey! Honda! you listening or in this case reading...

Please don't take this the wrong way but I kinda hope their not. It seems as though most wishes are to delete the Gen 6 and create a tweaked and updated Gen 5. I love the VTEC, LBS, ABS and especially the lack of "gear" noise. The sound of combustion is music to my ears.

Honestly I just can't get enough of the Gen 6 with all that is has. Would be great if the cans were lighter but really love the look. Would be nice if the VTEC was refined but love the dual personality. I know the weight is an issue but honestly when I look around its seems that it was worth it. The styling, holy cow... I don't know what it is but I held off getting a Gen 5 for years. When I saw the Gen 6 it was an immediate attraction. Then the battle with the wife began (whole other thread)... I love it so much that I am finding a great deal of difficulty coping with the notion that so many don't.

I would like to see a better Gen 6, Refined VTEC, ABS on/off, +30hp and a stronger electrical system (for accessories).

I have the utmost respect for all you purists, hopefully I haven't ruffled any feathers, but I really do like it. Am I

[reg71]

.. I love it so much that I am finding a great deal of difficulty coping with the notion that so many don't.

I would like to see a better Gen 6, Refined VTEC, ABS on/off, +30hp and a stronger electrical system (for accessories).

I have the utmost respect for all you purists, hopefully I haven't ruffled any feathers, but I really do like it. Am I

you know I felt the same way about the 4g. I remember looking at them in the 90s and thinkin I didn't like the taillight integration thing they had going. Actually still don't. Didn't like Gen 5 at first. Esp the big bug eyed turn signals. But, now that I have had one for about 2 yrs I really like it. I think it looks mean, and the fact that it's a 98 and most riders don't believe all the style and options it has. So it's the Klingon for me. I have always been a Trek fan, too. Now Origami has it's plusses. It looks good from the back but it's just a little too uh I don't know...somethin... and I don't like the look from the front. It's the headlights I think that turn me off. It's a nice bike, though, just not the one for me. The next gen would look different anyway. Hell I think basically everyone would be fairly happy if they just shed a few pounds and put a little more power out and used the suspension from one of the race bikes they already have out.

[RVFR]

LOL there is definitely two types of VFR folks it seems, ;) na it's time for a major redo, the 6th has been the longest running model. Yep bout time they give it the ole heave ho.
And Reg, Funny you say that bout the rear of the 4th, as that's what I think of the rear of the 5th I'm with you 100% on the head light thingy thing going on, not bad, but theres something not quite right, would have been sweet to have seen the 929 headlight package in place. In fact I'm not so over the top cool with mine nether, with all the new cool headlight lenses out there, its the one weak spot on my machine IMO look wise, but oh so goes it, still a huge bang for the buck.

[Puma Cat]

You know, guys, I've not really been a huge fan of Gen 4, 5 or 6 styling, per se. Last really good looking VFR was Gen 3, in my book. But the bottom line is that that they all are such good motorcycles, I simply don't care. I had a '97 Integra and wasn't crazy about the styling of that either, but it was a great car. My least favorite styling VFR was gen 4 (no offense intended, 4th gen owners! )

At least none of them look like the original Ducati ST2 or ST4. Blech.

My two CBRs are the best looking bikes I've ever owned, but I don't know if they are going to be the best overall bikes I've ever owned. I think my newly acquired VFR will take that honor, though my '94 CBR600F2 was a very, very, very good motorcycle.

[Saint_Craig]

My thoughts concerning a liter V4. (having owned one since 1987)

Why bother.

We've seen the 600cc class of bike go in HP form this time from roughly 86hp to around 100hp Yet in the 750cc class, HP has stayed at a comfortable 106. when Honda did the displacement bump from (748) in the 750 class to (781) in the 800, we expected to see a HP bump yet the VFR is still only roughly 106 HP. Whats the deal, Honda, you can systemically increase power in a 600 but not in an 800?

What I would like to see is the same HP bump, that honda miraculously pulled out of the hat for the 600CC class applied to the 800 which should get us at least an additional 20-30 Ponies in this class putting the VFR in the 126-136 HP range.

This puts the 750 class bike in the same HP range as my 86 VF1000R was and without all the weight and lack of nimbleness.

We know this is eminently do-able since Honda had pulled this same performance increases off across its entire CBR line. Don't believe me look at a 88 CBR 1000 (Can you say pregnant Yak.)

The problem with going to a liter can simply be summed up easily in that the engine is going to be larger. If you look at the VFR engine 870 CC is the maximum displacement you can go to in the current engine without getting dangerously thin on the cylinder wall thickness.

A Liter would require a larger engine, and this would translate into a wider bike which will impact the overall nimbleness of the bikes potential.

I would love to see honda dow the following:

1. Give it the HP bump like they did for the CBR lines.
2. take it to a true/real 800 (798cc)

I would suspect this would give us close to 140 hp, in the same dimensional package. and who here wouldn't be happy with that.

[powerslave]

i'd like to see honda build a v4 or v5 1300 or 1400 sport/tourer.something with ergos' like my '02 and simmilar or less wieght.i like the kawi 14 but it is way too big and heavy for my taste....i like the 'busa but its ergo's are a bit harsh and no available factory hardbags.i think there's a nice niche for honda between these two bikes.throw in the unique and versatile v4 or v5 powerplant along with top-shelf components,and honda could have a winner.....wishfull thinking,though.seems like honda doesn't want to be on the cutting edge any more.

[Molsan]

I wouldn't.

I may be tempted but my 06 VFR 800 is awsome and i very rairly need more power, and almost every instance i have it was probably a good thing i didn't.

I would be happier with a change to the gear system but i for one enjoy the vtech.

Trimming down the wieght and minior improvments would be more in line with what i would be looking for.

But again my bike is mostly paid for it would have to be something fairly amazing to replace the one i have.

[welles]

Honestly, my preference would be to see Honda go the other way and bring back the 500 Interceptor, but with modern frame/suspension/tires. Small, light, sharp handling, but with the traditional VFR ergos for reasonable comfort. Remember - weight is the enemy...

[Taz]

i'd like to see Honda build a v4 or v5 1300 or 1400 sport/tourer.something with ergos' like my '02 and simmilar or less wieght.i like the kawi 14 but it is way too big and heavy for my taste....i like the 'busa but its ergo's are a bit harsh and no available factory hardbags.i think there's a nice niche for honda between these two bikes.throw in the unique and versatile v4 or v5 powerplant along with top-shelf components,and honda could have a winner.....wishfull thinking,though.seems like honda doesn't want to be on the cutting edge any more.

I'm sorry,
But Powerslave, & porschebob is on crack, Honda is not going to build a bike that is in direct competition with the ST1300, whether it's a 1000, 1300, or 1400, because that would be $$$$ wrong, & 2, they already have that bike.

Yes the 800 can have the HP pumped up with tuning & cams(gear driven), that would be more possible to do & cheaper on costs for the up date.

B U T !

It will take more than that, It will take wt loss, & better ergos, styling, link less brakes(with or w/o ABS option).

You never seen so many heads turn & Willow springs & ACH when I strolled out with my (now my brothers, since I gave it to him) '05VFR800/'86VF1000 with the under-tail exhaust & RC51 front end & bodywork

#1 comment is W T F !, with a follow up of - NOW that's what a VFR should be !


Now Honda, just build the Damn thing, & for those that like the VFR the way it is, Well there will be a boat load of used bikes available for you

[Allan]

I have just come from the Motorcycle Show in Toronto, On Dec 7/07 and there were two bikes from Europe both Honda 1000 cc The Varadero and the GSF are the same Horsepower but the Varadero is a V twin and the GSF is an inline four. The Varadero is supposed to be an dual sport but it is too big and heavy and very high for short guys like me. The GSF has upright handlebars the same as the Varadero and only has a half fairing. They are both 95 HP compared to our VFR's at 110. The rear tire on the GSF in a 160 compared the 180 on a VFR (6th). Both look nice and may turn a shorter turning radius. Look them up and see what you think. You may have to look under 1000cc rather than GSF and Varadero.

[vifferdownunder]

Hi all,

I actually stumbled upon and subsequently signed up the forum after googling the words VFR 1000...

Besides the obvious (VFR !), the bikes I fancy at the moment are the Kawi ZX-14 for its endless power and the Triumph Sprint ST. It's been said before, I think it's fair to say the Sprint took the crown of best sport-tourer away from the VFR.

The opportunity for Honda is to review their lineup by replacing both the Blackbird (it's losing the Hypersport fight to the Busa and Ninja zx14 anyway) and the VFR by a single model targetting the Sprint ST instead and reclaiming the sport-tourer crown.

My perfect new VFR would therefore have :

About the same weight as the existing one - it's perfect for the real world, lighter would possibly be less comfortable and I have no problems keeping up with the 600 supersport in the twisties on real roads (agree it'd be a different story on the track, but hey..)

More bottom-end grunt for corner exit would be nice, sometimes feels a tad underpowered when carrying a pillion, it's all relative of course - I know I can downshift but if I wanted a screamer I'd get a 600 - Am considering an extra tooth at the back but I reckon more displacement is the real answer, 1000 or even 1100cc ? Dont really need it but would happily take the extra top-end power that would come with it. Let's say 120 to 140HP, but low and midrange grunt is really what I want to see.

A slightly bigger fuel tank- let's say 20 or 22 l

Bigger brakes, with or without CBS and ABS

I like the looks of the Gen6, so something along the same lines

Bring back the gear-driven cams (with or without VTEC, can do without personally)

For comfort, a slightly thicker seat, some strategically located silent blocks to absorb a few unwanted vibrations without sacrificing chassis rigidity, maybe a slightly better protection from wind (the extra cc will make up for it)

Of course keep the awesome road ride quality ! I reckon it's the reason why I can keep up with the 600s and even show my rear tyre now and then, the 600s would certainly be faster at the limit, but at a somewhat "reasonable" (if not legal...) pace the VFR is easier to ride fast and can make average riders like me looks good and I'd sure like Honda to keep it that way - there are enough supersport, superbikes and hypersports out there and we dont need another one.

Cheerios

[diciassette]

I could be interested, but only if it came:

- with gear driven cams.
- with single sided swing arm
- four cylinder

ciao, Luigi

[young_mafia]

[grinder]

Two VFR models are needed. A 1000cc "Touring/Sport" bike with real world ergos.

* Of course...gear-driven cams, no VTEC, and rewired R/Rs.
Oh, and looks like a '98/99 VFR and has super torque at low RPM. HP around 150 would be nice.

Second model...800cc "Sport" bike with rickey-racer ergos and light weight.
HP at least 130 and maybe a 7 speed tranny. Gear-driven cams a must.

My 3 cents...(inflation)

It sounds like your wish may be coming true BUT... I was in my local Honda Dealer the other day and was told that a 1000cc replacement for the VFR is on the way. However, a very big however, it is going to be an In Line 4. No VTEC and no gear driven cams. He seemed very certain of the I4. He wasn't long on specifics but it seems realistic to me. Honda makes a pretty good 1000 already which could be relatively easily, read economically, retuned as an ST engine.

He also mentioned a more hard edged sport version based around the MotoGP bike but was not very clear so that may fall in the rumour category.

[Swoop]

1000cc VFR...

HELL Yeah!!!
(simple as that)

[chesthing]

It sounds like your wish may be coming true BUT... I was in my local Honda Dealer the other day and was told that a 1000cc replacement for the VFR is on the way. However, a very big however, it is going to be an In Line 4. No VTEC and no gear driven cams. He seemed very certain of the I4. He wasn't long on specifics but it seems realistic to me. Honda makes a pretty good 1000 already which could be relatively easily, read economically, retuned as an ST engine.

He also mentioned a more hard edged sport version based around the MotoGP bike but was not very clear so that may fall in the rumour category.

Ducati can produce a 1000cc street bike w/ 200 hp, why'n hell can't Honda put out an affordable one w/ 130hp? inline 4 bike's are a dime a dozen.
What do you think the V in Vfr means? Honda would never do something so stupid.