Blackbird to a VFR – a daily, performance riding and touring perspective

[two4one]

First and foremost, hello everyone! I’m new to the Viffer world having purchased a used non-ABS 2003 with only 2500 miles on it 5/26/07. I’ve nearly doubled the mileage on it in three weeks thus far and so far I'm loving it. I waited until I experienced all the various kinds of riding before giving my feedback on both the XX and VFR…both great bikes! Sorry for the long read, didn't realize how carried away I got until I was finished.

A little background first. I have been doing a lot of riding since I started on the street nearly 4 years ago. I logged 61,000 or so miles based on my records. A Honda Shadow ACE 750, a CBR1000RR, an XX and now a VFR. After riding the crap out of the Shadow, I purchased a 1000RR with the FULL intention on hitting the track, which I did. I would eventually buy an F3 for track duty as well. I made it to the “A” group with NESBA while dealing with some bumps, breaks and various other track related pain! Anyway, without sounding like a wannabe, I can ride at a pretty good clip. I’ve also thoroughly enjoyed the touring aspect of riding which I began to take seriously when I bought the XX. I took trips through Virginia, upstate NY, down to Florida, Myrtle Beach…pretty much the east coast! My long touring usually consists of 1,500-2,500 mile jaunts (round trip) with a lot of smaller tours in between. Nothing better than taking off and getting lost!

After 30,000 miles on the XX in 1.5 years, I grew weary of the suspension, or lack of I should say. As I progressed in my riding abilities with NESBA, I understood more what a bike should feel like under certain conditions. In all honesty, I have a, shall we say, more aggressive street riding approach. I’m not squidish, but when and only when the conditions warrant, I tend to let it rip. The Cadillac-esque feel of the Blackbird started to feel unsettled during these situations. Over the winter, I upgraded the front and rear springs which unfortunately came nowhere near to my expectations. I was however lucky enough to test the new setup at Deal’s Gap in early April. I was also evaluating my upcoming track day attendance which I planned to drastically reduce since I’ve pretty much been there, done that at this point. I have no more to prove to myself so I’ll go to the track on occasion when some friends are going or when I feel I need to freshen up on my skills. Having sold the F3, I was looking for a “do-it-all” bike. I wanted to have one bike in the garage again. The XX was an EXCELLENT bike, but the track day stuff, even on a limited schedule would not meet my expectations. I sold the Blackbird a little over a month ago now.

After a brief bout of insanity in which I was considering the new BMW F800S, I turned my attention to a VFR. Having ridden a friends 2003, I thought it would be the best choice for versatility…and I got to keep my beloved Honda reliability!

Now to the good stuff, thanks for being patient! I’ll cover three areas, touring, sport and daily living.

VFR

Daily Living
Since this was the first of the three categories I got to experience, I’ll cover it first. I commute to work every day when conditions permit of course. Thus far, the VFR has proven to be more user friendly from several aspects. First and foremost, the weight or “perceived” weight. Based on my manuals, The VFR is 20lbs lighter and 1.5 inches shorter. I have been on a kick with all my vehicles going from larger to smaller for the ease of use and maneuverability. I have never been a person who thinks bigger is better, the VFR proving that once again. Dealing with slow speed parking lot maneuvers are a breeze on the VFR. The Blackbird tends to get a bit “sloppy” and show it’s girth with the small stuff like parking, turning and moving the bike around with your feet to park or something. You can whip the VFR around a lot without a hint of concern about tipping the bike over.

Pros:

• Tires - less weight, less power, less wear…period.
• MPG – So far, I’m averaging 45-47 MPG on the VFR vs. 36 on the XX
• Cheaper Insurance – slight reduction for me.
• Has a cool factor to it. More inquiries like “what is it” in comparison the Blackbird
• Honda – change the oil, lube the chain….see you in 16,000 miles for the valves
• Doesn’t have the same old I4 engine sound that annoys everyone.

Cons:

• Choppy fuel injection is a little annoying if stuck in stop-and-go traffic.
• Heat! This baby like to run hot and it’s more prevalent due to engine design
• The tranny feels a little on the notchy side to me
• Not a “con” really but it needs to be ridden like a 600. Keep the revs up
• No under seat storage area
• Keeping it spotless is a lot harder than the Blackbird was. Simply more nooks and crannies mostly the swingarm area.

Touring
This was honestly my ONLY concern going from the XX to the VFR. I wasn’t sure the smaller bike would work out as well during the longer days but I found the VFR was a more than willing companion this past weekend while traveling up to Americade in NY. I put on 1075 miles in three days with a variety of riding conditions from slabbing to knee draggin’. The big XX may very well be suited to the slab a little better only because of the additional power and much smoother operation. The XX had ZERO vibrations! The Viffer on the other would give me a case of “numb thumb” on occasion if I couldn’t set the cruise for a while. I also experienced varying levels of vibration through the rearsets depending on the gear and RPM. The VFR is simply more touchy when it comes to finding a happy gear/RPM. The Blackbird didn’t care….at all! I had the Throttlemeister on the XX and also installed one on the VFR before the NY trip. On either bike you can set the cruise, put your hands on the tank bag for countless miles and not even think about it.

I maintained the stock windscreen on the Blackbird after trying two aftermarket ones which didn’t improve anything. I ordered a Dubble Bubble for the VFR but it didn’t arrive in time. The stock one worked OK up to about 75mph. After that it was pretty turbulent for me (5’10”, 195ish).

Pros:

• High tank range and MPG
• happy on the highway or back roads with luggage
• Of course, the center stand make chain maintenance a breeze
• Seating position is very friendly for touring and sporting once you hit the twisties.

Cons:

• A little buzzy for me. Coming from one of the smoothest bike ever doesn’t make the comparison easy for the VFR. Still by no means a total negative
• Stock seat is a little rough. I use a sheepskin piece whenever I tour which I couldn’t live without on either bike for high mileage.
• My Nelson Riggs luggage isn’t as easy to attach plus the undertail exhaust tends to limit the mounting options.
• Stock windscreen will blast you at higher speeds causing some fatigue.

Sport Riding
This is the one area where I was looking for the upgrade over the Blackbird. I wanted something that I could flick around more like my F3…mission accomplished! For me, this bike is easy as pie to lean over and trail brake into a corner without a concern in the world. The suspension is loads better stock for stock in comparison. I haven’t touched any of the settings just yet either, I’ll wait until I hit the track to get carried away with it. The stock Bridgestone tires have to go but they’ve proven to be more than capable. I’ll be mounting Pirelli Strada’s ASAP which are without a doubt the best sport-touring tire I’ve used. The only thing I’m slightly unhappy with is the mushy feeling from the front brakes. They don’t have the initial “bite” that I prefer to have. I have a set of EBC HH pads ready to go on which might help out. I’ve had the rear wheel off the ground enough to lock up the rear causing a screech that took me a minute to figure out what it was! Never did that on the Blackbird that’s for sure. Made me laugh when I figured it out though.

Pros:

• Acts like a 600, very nimble.
• The weight hides itself very well in my opinion.
• Plenty strong motor, the VTEC doesn’t register as a pain or a plus in my mind…it’s just there.
• It’s a sleeper! Lots of bite with minimal bark.
• Plenty of ground clearance with stock equipment provided you are accustomed to "getting off" the bike.

Cons

• Previously mentioned mushy front brakes.
• Linked system – I go back and forth on this one.
• Doesn’t stand a chance on the long straights on the track which I knew full-well before purchasing.
• Track situations WILL cause brake fade. The stock lines simply can't handle the heat.
• Suspension will prove soft at the track, however, the stock boingers will get any rider well into an Intermediate level without much issue.

Overall, the VFR is an excellent bike! Looking back at my list, it appears there are too many negatives but in actuality, there more “observations” than anything. I honestly love this bike and wouldn’t think twice about recommending one to anyone who is a serious rider who is looking for everything in a nice, livable package. I recently described it as simply a more sporty Blackbird. Both bikes are very potent and capable in their own way. I’d own another Blackbird in a second if I knew the track was no longer an option at all.

I know the fuel injection issue and flat spots plague this bike. Even so, I will not be changing the pipes (see update below) or adding a Power Commander. I may however do the PAIR mod. I can’t justify the cost/gain and would rather upgrade the suspension instead.

I’m looking forward to meeting some of you whether it be on rides or simply via the board.

<All opinions and views expressed are just that, opinions. Just ride!/>

Wooohoooo!

[RE-Agent]

Nice write-up!
So, what track is pictured in that photo?
; )

[two4one]

AIR - Americade International Raceway

[keeena]

Thanks for the detailed writeup. I'm considering going the other direction... 6th Gen VFR to '02 or '03 Blackbird.

[chomper]

that was a great write up, thanks for making such a detailed comparison

[xShadowrider]

Great write up & never apologize for being long winded. Reading about viffering is all I will get to do for at least the next couple of months!

[Bobbybrit]

Great write up, I just glad the viffer came out on top! It did come out on top Right?

[drewl]

Wow. There are always people wanting to compare bikes on here for one reason or another. This is an excellent referrence. Thanks for an educated effort.

[two4one]

Wow I wrote this months ago and now it's getting replies! Glad someone found it useful.

Couple adendums. On the vibration issue, I installed a set of BMW touring grips and I don't even notice the vibrations anymore. I've also installed a Sargeant seat which was a great upgrade over the stock seat. I didn't mind the stock Blackbird seat as much but the VFR version flat out sucked the more I used it.

I'm overall very happy with the VFR. After taking it to the track in Ocrober, it's lack of "racing" equipment became apparent pretty quick but overall it'll serve fine for occasional track action. First thing I would like to change for the track is the brake lines. If you've never experienced rubber lines expanding under heat, you're lucky! Not a good feeling. It's a shame a front kit is $500 bones!

I might put some heaver fluid in the forks before my next track event in March. Not sure yet.

Oh I'm also not sure the VFR comes out on top. Ask me after I ride a Blackbird again

[Taz]

Yea, thanks for confirming most what I've been telling the 6th gen guy's all along.

I replaced the rotors & calipers with Brembo's & of course delinked that debacle of a brake system & added stainless brake lines.
I added the race tech springs up front for my same as you height & weight(5'10"/195 lbs), & a penske rear shock, & PC, 2 Bro's exhaust, Scott's SD, & Corbin seat.

It was comfortable & nimble (for a sport tourer) but not enough !

The problem was that nagging useless V-tec (I like power from bottom to top & smoothly), & it still had no balls, so I went looking for a bike that was like my XX I had & the vfr, & the only bike that I found that was the best of both those worlds & still reliable like the Honda's was the '06 Sprint ST.

& after owning it for 1.5 years, I have to say hands down it's better than both put together.

Now if Honda can match or better that (& I hope so soon ) I can p/u that, & the VFR that I gave to my daughter who also likes the Sprint better, can have the Sprint & I'll give to my sister or sell the '04 VFR.
Because every 2 years I buy a new ST, & right now ( & I've Riden the ST1300, the Big Kawi, & Yamaha, with nice power, but waaaaay to much weight) there isn't a bike out that surpasses the Sprint in flick-able, awesome brakes, comfortable, with the "HP".

So MR. Honda, send your ghost to scare the sheeit out of those pussy/political correct non performance passioned management & engineers to build us a performance ST !

Honda Builds It, They will come & purchase it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chesthing]

On my 40 mile test, I found the Sprint's ergos really comfortable but I didn't see any big power difference from my 5th gen VFR. I could tell a difference, it just didnt feel anywhere near 30 hp. I also didnt feel nearly as comfortable hitting turns hard, as the bike felt bigger, taller and heavier. I really wanted to like it alot better than my VFR - I have the cash for the trade, but to be honest I like my bike better at even money.

With my topcase purchase, I think I'm finally over the absense of acceptable hardbags for my bike - I won't be looking at anymore bikes unless Honda comes out with something better.

[RVFR]

Nice write up. Funny as in interesting, I have a firend here that I ride with when the timing works out and he has a 1100xx and has been looking at the VFR too. After we switched rides, he was just jaw dropped just how well my smaller bike did, and mines a 4th gen.

[keeena]

Originally Posted by RVFR

Nice write up. Funny as in interesting, I have a firend here that I ride with when the timing works out and he has a 1100xx and has been looking at the VFR too. After we switched rides, he was just jaw dropped just how well my smaller bike did, and mines a 4th gen.

Grass seems greener on the other side? Maybe we look for reasons to justify trying new machines.

My #1 issue w/ the VFR is the vtec engagement...my '02 is obnoxious. That is the last I'll say; I don't want this to turn into a vtec discussion... To bad, because otherwise I love the VFR.

But for that reason I'm interested in moving to another bike. I like the Blackbird's w/ Corbin/Sargent, side bags and heli-bars...seems like a competent sport-tour. Not as much character maybe, but that doesn't matter to me as much. I have no saddle time in the Blackbird, so the writeup was very useful. Also raised some potential concerns re: comment on weight/handling vs. VFR.

I like the newer Sprint ST...so Taz, your comment is especially noted.

[two4one]

Originally Posted by keeena

raised some potential concerns re: comment on weight/handling vs. VFR.

Don't let my comment on the handling fool you. IT IS NOT a total, useless pig in the handling department. I rode that bike really hard and it handles just fine, BUT, for a track environment the weight would wear on you quickly. Street conditions are altogether different. I personally don't feel that the weight is the biggest culprit, the length of the bike is what you notice as much as anything in my opinion.

[lear 31a]

"Stock seat is a little rough. I use a sheepskin piece whenever I tour which I couldn’t live without on either bike for high mileage."

Where did you get the sheepskin piece? This sounds like a viable option til I can get my mod budget built back up.

[killerkingdon]

Wow...old post..interesting stuff though. I went from a RR to the VFR. So no complaints on comfort here. Only issue I have with V-Tech is: the thought of when its on, how much gas am I using up??? God bless HONDA!!!

[Gears]

Originally Posted by two4one

AIR - Americade International Raceway

AIR ?? My guess is Route 9 around Lake George in New York.

[Richard Thompson]

Thanks for your informative article, please do more! it was great and put into writing much of what was swirling around in my head in regard to the gen 6, especially on the plus/minus side.
ive owned pretty much most of the same bikes as you, except for the RR
( i went 05 R1 instead).
differ on the riding style- id rate myself middle ground and length of time in saddle- 28 odd years now.

keep the updates coming, interesting to see how the upgrades pan out.
im looking hard at the sargent seat myself.

was also interested to read the comments on the sprint as this bike was firmly in the cross hairs at the time i got my VFR, the honda dealer was able to put together a way better deal so he got the business.

[jasoncool]

hi, nice read . well great bike .my vfr 2007 is really my best friend.just does everything i want and and looks superb in red as well. get around 50mpg if i dont screw it too hard .speed limit here is 100kph. rather rediculous but hey they the nz govt needs the fine money .they of course have purchased a fleet of super expensive bmw super cars for themselves . and believe it are allowed to travel any speed when on urgent public business. [they always are ]motorcycles are for adventurous individuals who love life so enjoy while u can . there seem to be more laws made each year curtailing our rights . all in the name of safety .such absolute bullshit .remember they need your money . have fun take care . most of all luv life . cheers jason cool..........

[two4one]

Well I've got a comment to add.

I was at a local Triumph dealer last weekend just to check things out. I remembered halfway through my rounds that some of you have commented on the Sprint being a better option than the VFR. So as I walked up to the sharp looking Sprint, before even sitting on it my first impression was "it's the same size as the Blackbird was". It simply looks BIG. Maybe even Hayabusa big.

But, hold that thought. After looking at the numbers online, it appears the two bikes are much closer in dimension and girth than I thought?

VFR wheelbase - 57.4 in.
Sprint wheelbase - 57.4 in.

VFR dry weight - 469.6 lbs.
Spring dry weight - 462 lbs.

For all the numbers, use these links: VFR | Sprint

How can that be??? The Sprint seems so big, to me anyway. It really felt just like my Blackbird when I sat on it. Larger fairings? Perhaps. If I'm not mistaken the VFR's weight ultimately comes from the motor correct? Not sure on that one.

I guess the ultimate review would be a test ride on the Sprint which I CAN arrange. Although I'm a little scared to do it now....I'm not willing to swollow $12,000 for a bike no matter what it is.

[two4one]

Well it's time for me to put my foot in my mouth. I swore up and down I would never put pipes on a bike again. Why? Many reasons. One being I used to commute every day 44 miles round trip. I honestly took it upon myself to not piss anyone off given how many miles I rode to and from work with a high possibility of annoying yet another driver with a loud bike. Silly? Maybe, but it was "my" thing. I also don't believe a louder bike will save my life...total BS...won't happen. The only that will save me is my eyes and my awareness. [/soapbox off]

Soo fast forward to January of this year when I met PARedViffer who had a set of Two Brothers pipes installed on his '05. This was the first time I had heard a 6th gen with a set of pipes on it and boy did I like it! I've always loved the sound of RC-51's and other sport twins and the VFR was right on par with it. I liked the sound so much that I was close to buying an RC on several occasions but sanity eventually took hold. I can't allow myself to have two bikes sitting around now with a new house, single income and many trips and track days to attend.

Anyway, after riding with PARed a couple times I really started to WANT a set of pipes which I hadn't in a long time. To make an already long story short, I purchased a set of Leo Vince Stainless pipes about a month ago. I even went the cheap route! I started the bike up with the pipes roughly installed to hear them with the spuds in. Pretty disappointing. So I removed the spuds then fired it up again...now that's what I'm looking for!

It sounds corny but adding pipes to this bike have completely transformed it. What was once a tame, lawn mower sounding bike now has a serious growl and attitude. The sound this bike has is awesome! I also can't believe the amount of looks and comments wondering what the heck it is coming down the road. Even car guys! I got looks with the stock pipes but now I get them all the time. Now is this because it's simply loud? I don't think so. The bike has a unique sound to it. One that makes you wonder what it is.

I don't commute anymore since my drive is now a whopping 4 miles long, I treat my rides more like a total experience, not necessity. Listening to the sweet tunes from the pipes doesn't hurt the whole process. So if you're looking to fall in love again with your bike, save yourself several grand a buy some pipes. You'll be grinning again for sure.

[XXFirefighter]

Go toss a leg over a K1200S and tell me what you think :)

[two4one]

Originally Posted by XXFirefighter

Go toss a leg over a K1200S and tell me what you think :)

Actually I already have. A good friend of mine has one. Pretty much feel the same way about that bike as I did my Blackbird. They're all just a bit too big for frequent track visits.

[mirkhanus]

Dude,
Was in the same position as you. Rode a '98 carb-fed Blackbird for about 4 years. Eventually had to give her up as the Singapore government has this policy of 10-year vehicle ownership. To renew ownership for another 10 years would mean coughing up another $1.5K. Plus, my Blackbird was not in the fittest of conditions after reaching 200000 km on the odometer.

With some coaxing & a nice downpayment from my wife, I went scouting for a suitable replacement. It was a tie-up between the Moto Guzzi Breva 1100, the Sprint ST & the VFR. The Guzzi was kicked out due to lack of wind protection. The Sprint was later eliminated as it was ridiculously overpriced compared to the VFR in this country. So, I finally settled for the VFR as it has more or less the same characteristics as my old Blackbird.

Well, 2 weeks into the Viffer ownership at 1.5 km on the clock, I must say that I'm quite happy with the bike. It's almost as quick as the Blackbird though I need to be a bit throttle-happy. But its definitely more nimble & agile especially when busting through traffic. Only gripe is the heat enamating from the rear engine block of the V4. IT'S FRIGGIN HOT! And it's quite often that I have to endure this due to the frequent congestions in this country. Hard boiled eggs, anyone?