Oil

[dcnatedawg]

Just got into the VFR repair & maintenance . I also drive an e30 bimmer (my caged horse) and know that other enthusiasts are very specific about their oil. I generally use Mobil 1 15-50...sometimes 0W-40 so I don't strain the oil pump as much.

Anyone extremely partial to a particular brand/type of oil for the Viffer?

[derstuka]

Just got into the VFR repair & maintenance . I also drive an e30 bimmer (my caged horse) and know that other enthusiasts are very specific about their oil. I generally use Mobil 1 15-50...sometimes 0W-40 so I don't strain the oil pump as much.

Anyone extremely partial to a particular brand/type of oil for the Viffer?

Redline Oil Full Sythetic 10W-40. Expensive, but the best...IMO.

www.redlineoil.com
http://www.redlineoil.com/products_m...?categoryID=11

[Bubba Zanetti]

DC:

We here at VFRWorld no longer answer the dreaded "what oil do yu use threads" because of the massive amount of damage that is inflicted on our mind, body and souls.

It is a little know fact that most of the worlds conflicts began from the beginning of the 20th Century to now as a result of "Who has the best oil" In fact, WWII started because Germany claimed it had superior oil over Britain, the U.S. and Russia. And right now Isreal is blasting Palesitinian gunmen because Palistine claims their synthetic oil is the best, and I have to admit, their marketing campaign is pretty convincing! And of course we are in Iraq because 'they say' 9/11, but when you look at the facts, its all about oil.

So D.C. in the interest of saving lives and keeping another conflict, war, fist fight from breaking out, we just can't answer this thread.

(Hope you laughed! I use Amsoil 10W-40 fully sythetic motorcycle oil).

BZ

[dcnatedawg]

So D.C. in the interest of saving lives and keeping another conflict, war, fist fight from breaking out, we just can't answer this thread.

Hahaha...I was thinking "Is this guy fuc$*%$ serious?" You had me going...Very nice

[mello dude]

DC:

We here at VFRWorld no longer answer the dreaded "what oil do yu use threads" because of the massive amount of damage that is inflicted on our mind, body and souls.

It is a little know fact that most of the worlds conflicts began from the beginning of the 20th Century to now as a result of "Who has the best oil" In fact, WWII started because Germany claimed it had superior oil over Britain, the U.S. and Russia. And right now Isreal is blasting Palesitinian gunmen because Palistine claims their synthetic oil is the best, and I have to admit, their marketing campaign is pretty convincing! And of course we are in Iraq because 'they say' 9/11, but when you look at the facts, its all about oil.

So D.C. in the interest of saving lives and keeping another conflict, war, fist fight from breaking out, we just can't answer this thread.

(Hope you laughed! I use Amsoil 10W-40 fully sythetic motorcycle oil).

BZ

Hey Bubba! Thats great! (Yeah another frickin oil thread )

Dawg - If you like Mobil 1 products -use the Mobil 1 10w-40 motorcycle specific oil. Great stuff, I have used it my bikes for years.

MD

[Bubba Zanetti]

I am here to entertain LOL!

BZ

[MrDe]

Not to be unentertaining .... but ... golden spectro 10/40 syntheitc blend.

[nozzle]

This thread is why the "deadhorse" smilie is on the list.



thanks to bubba and MD for their contributions to my Friday afternoon smile. Please let the horse run free on a new thread, like what chain lube you use.






(yeah, it's actually a llama, but squint and it's a horse)
and I've used Honda Pro for the 3K miles my bike's seen.

[tory royce]

I know I'm gonna get blasted cause I'm a new member, but take my advise and stick to factory reccomendations and use conventional oil. A friend of mine used synthetic in his SV 1000, and now has clutch problems. Bike was fine until the change. I've been an auto mechanic for many years and have seen all types of issues with people who have used synthetic oils - from leaks, to noises, to oil burning. Don't get me wrong, I think it's okay if reccomended, but it can also cause issues if it's not! Think about it. Standard oils have been used for years without problems, why fix what ain't broke?

[eddievalleytrailer]

I recently had to ask myself this question. When my 07 was due it's first oil change, what to put in it? The Dealer put Bel-Ray in it when I picked it up new. I decided to go with Honda's advice and use their GN4 10W/40. I figured, they designed it, so they should know best.

[mello dude]

I know I'm gonna get blasted cause I'm a new member, but take my advise and stick to factory reccomendations and use conventional oil. A friend of mine used synthetic in his SV 1000, and now has clutch problems. Bike was fine until the change. I've been an auto mechanic for many years and have seen all types of issues with people who have used synthetic oils - from leaks, to noises, to oil burning. Don't get me wrong, I think it's okay if reccomended, but it can also cause issues if it's not! Think about it. Standard oils have been used for years without problems, why fix what ain't broke?

(how's that nozzle?)
MD

[mello dude]

I recently had to ask myself this question. When my 07 was due it's first oil change, what to put in it? The Dealer put Bel-Ray in it when I picked it up new. I decided to go with Honda's advice and use their GN4 10W/40. I figured, they designed it, so they should know best.

I run my bikes to 7500-9000 on dino and then switch over to synth Mobil1
10w-40 motorcycle specific oil.

The other school of thought in this forum is to go ahead and jump to synth after the first break-in oil change. Myself I'm not comfortable doing that.

MD

[reg71]

amsoil here, too.

I was thinking of trying that rotella then I saw the recent thread about them chainging it on the vfr mailing list so I'm still with amsoil right now... I really think the more important thing is the routine changing rather than the brand of oil, though.

[SFPA]

DC:

It is a little know fact that most of the worlds conflicts began from the beginning of the 20th Century to now as a result of "Who has the best oil" In fact, WWII started because Germany claimed it had superior oil over Britain, the U.S. and Russia. And right now Isreal is blasting Palesitinian gunmen because Palistine claims their synthetic oil is the best, and I have to admit, their marketing campaign is pretty convincing! And of course we are in Iraq because 'they say' 9/11, but when you look at the facts, its all about oil.

So D.C. in the interest of saving lives and keeping another conflict, war, fist fight from breaking out, we just can't answer this thread.

BZ

Bubba Z, you are a riot, man!! And finally someone who doesn't blame them on Christianity! Bless you my brother! LoL. I needed a laugh. It's been a Sheety week.

[SFPA]

P.S., DC, I was born in Fredneck and raised in Thurmont. Attended FCC for a semester before deciding it sucked and "going off to see the world" with an M4 in my hand, an M9 on my hip and a stethescope around my neck.

just visited my parents there last week. They live in Clover Hill II off of Opposumtown Pk. Anyway, good to meet you. Welcome.

[derstuka]

I know I'm gonna get blasted cause I'm a new member, but take my advise and stick to factory reccomendations and use conventional oil. A friend of mine used synthetic in his SV 1000, and now has clutch problems. Bike was fine until the change. I've been an auto mechanic for many years and have seen all types of issues with people who have used synthetic oils - from leaks, to noises, to oil burning. Don't get me wrong, I think it's okay if reccomended, but it can also cause issues if it's not! Think about it. Standard oils have been used for years without problems, why fix what ain't broke?

Asking a man what oil is best is probably like asking a woman what shampoo works best. To me, conventional is fine for normal use, and normal oil change intervals, and it doesn't mean that your engine will break down if you use it, however, using something formulated to extend that life and reduce wear can be better for your engine. Especially if a person is a very aggressive high revving hard rider, or a racer. I do believe that some synthetic oils hold up better than others, and have a stronger molecular bonds & structure. I used to be a Mobil One man years ago, but have since switched with Redline oil. I do use conventional in my truck, because cars are primarily lower rpm's than a 11k rpm bike. Those little pistions are moving so fast up and down, I want to make sure they have the best stuff they can to keep doing their job right.

As far as your friend having clutch problem's with synthetic, he needs to ensure that the synthetic that he is using is motorcycle specific and/or has reduced friction modifier's, as some oils do, like my Redline oil. Also ensure that no teflon additives or anything in it. If you run such an oil, no problems should arise.

As someone stated though, with most oils, change intervals is more important than what brand, but I will always be a hold out and keep in mind that some are better than others....

[eddievalleytrailer]

amsoil here, too.

I was thinking of trying that rotella then I saw the recent thread about them chainging it on the vfr mailing list so I'm still with amsoil right now... I really think the more important thing is the routine changing rather than the brand of oil, though.

I like Rotella. I use it daily in a fleet of semi-trucks. We change it every 10,000 miles (these trucks hold 13 gallons of oil!). I read in a magazine a few years ago that Rotella worked very well in bikes. The trucks punish oil in every way you can think of except rpm's. They redline at 2100rpm. I've never used it in a bike, but it takes these trucks to well over a million miles!

[Bubba Zanetti]

Bubba Z, you are a riot, man!! And finally someone who doesn't blame them on Christianity! Bless you my brother! LoL. I needed a laugh. It's been a Sheety week.

Thanks man! I was hoping it was going to have that effect on people.

BZ

[nozzle]

(how's that nozzle?)
MD

I feel the love

this thread is *slick* MD!

( no one asked but, I'm trying the Liquid Wrench Chain lube as it was on the shelf locally when I needed it - applied after the kerosene clean )

[nozzle]

[note that this is a paradody and not what derstuka actually typed ]

...snip... is probably like asking a woman what shampoo works best. To me, conventional is fine for normal use, and normal oil change intervals, and it doesn't mean that your *hair* will break down if you use it, however, using something formulated to extend that life and reduce wear can be better for your *hair*. Especially if a person is a very aggressive high revving hard rider, or a racer. ....snip...

Derstuka has the right idea I think, if you read this thread as discussing oily hair and how often to shampoo, you may see why I find oil threads amusing. then again you may not.... your mileage may vary, unless you use {_your_brand__here_} Oil and conditioner.... what oil condition do you use? STP?

[eddievalleytrailer]

( no one asked but, I'm trying the Liquid Wrench Chain lube as it was on the shelf locally when I needed it - applied after the kerosene clean )

I tried the Liquid Wrench chain lube. It dried up/slung off preety quick. It's not as good as Bel-Ray. If you go on a long ride, take the whole can with you. You'll need it.

[nozzle]

Eddie:

You are right, I have to put it on every morning. Nothing to make it "stick" to the chain. No shop's open on Sunday to go get a can, so I'm typing here. Thanks.

- Paul

[eddievalleytrailer]

It'll hold you over till you can get the good stuff.

[mello dude]

I feel the love

this thread is *slick* MD!

( no one asked but, I'm trying the Liquid Wrench Chain lube as it was on the shelf locally when I needed it - applied after the kerosene clean )

- I'm sure its slippery stuff!


Ok in a pinch - but my belly button is going- um, you got to be kidding!

I use the ProHonda HP Chain Lube. It has a combination of Moly and Teflon and dries out completely. No sticky gunk to sling off a my a mess of things. Great stuff. I get 20 - 22 thousand miles on my chains.

[nozzle]

I'll start a new thread....

[Spike]

Asking a man what oil is best is probably like asking a woman what shampoo works best. To me, conventional is fine for normal use, and normal oil change intervals, and it doesn't mean that your engine will break down if you use it, however, using something formulated to extend that life and reduce wear can be better for your engine. Especially if a person is a very aggressive high revving hard rider, or a racer. I do believe that some synthetic oils hold up better than others, and have a stronger molecular bonds & structure. I used to be a Mobil One man years ago, but have since switched with Redline oil. I do use conventional in my truck, because cars are primarily lower rpm's than a 11k rpm bike. Those little pistions are moving so fast up and down, I want to make sure they have the best stuff they can to keep doing their job right.

As far as your friend having clutch problem's with synthetic, he needs to ensure that the synthetic that he is using is motorcycle specific and/or has reduced friction modifier's, as some oils do, like my Redline oil. Also ensure that no teflon additives or anything in it. If you run such an oil, no problems should arise.

As someone stated though, with most oils, change intervals is more important than what brand, but I will always be a hold out and keep in mind that some are better than others....

Ditto
I use the syn stuff in my bike, since it is subject to such abuse in the engine and the clutch. I tend to ride high on the tach. Changed at about every 5,000 miles. Couple hundred thousand miles on different bikes, never had any problems with the engines leaking. Never any clutch issues. I use the motorcycle specific Mobil 1 after reading an in depth analysis a few years ago in Motorcycle Consumer News. Prior to that I used the Honda or BMW specific synthetic oils.
And then I use the regular dino stuff in the cars, also changed at about 5,000 miles, took one engine to 238,000 miles before I sold it, ran like a top, no engine issues.

[derstuka]

[note that this is a paradody and not what derstuka actually typed ]



Derstuka has the right idea I think, if you read this thread as discussing oily hair and how often to shampoo, you may see why I find oil threads amusing. then again you may not.... your mileage may vary, unless you use {_your_brand__here_} Oil and conditioner.... what oil condition do you use? STP?

And let's see somebody switch their girl's shampoo and conditioner and see what hell that raises....

[NeverlosT]

So I changed my oil yesterday using Honda Spectro 10W-40, all went well, until I was putting the oil in....

Each oil bottle has this terrible aluminum seal on the top, that you have to break, because for some rediculous reason, just a cap is not good enough. So I break the aluminum tops and bend them back. Pour oil into the engine there through the port using a yellow funnel.

1 quart in, I watched a 1 cm sqaure piece of Aluminum foil from the inside of the oil can wander down the funnel into my engine. Aaaand time stood still. There is Nooooooo way to get it out from the top, theres too much stuff in there, I was sure I was screwed.

So in hopes that the piece could be flushed into the oil pan and back out...
I opened the drain plug again, and flushed oil through, nothing.
Did the same thing again, using 2 more liters of oil, nothing.
Yet again, this time shaking the bike around while I did it, nothing.

Finally, I was ready to give up and pray that the oil filter got it before it got to anything, but I decided to fill her all the way up, and drain once more.
2 seconds into the last drain, the piece of foil came out the drain plug.

I dont think I have been that happy in years. Oil change took 3 HOURS.

Now I had made a huge mess, and have to buy another few quarts of oil to fill the bike up, but please please people... BE CAREFUL ABOUT POURING OIL IN, WATCH OUT FOR DEBRIS!!!!!

[ZonaMan]

I like these oil threads too. My $0.02, I had used the Honda syn blend and regulars for a while and it was OK, but on my last change I tried the Repsol oil. I really like how the bike peforms and shifts - better than the Honda oils IMO.

[nozzle]

And let's see somebody switch their girl's shampoo and conditioner and see what hell that raises....

Derstuka:

Seriously now.... Would you use petro or synthetic for this?