Starter relay connector

I need the starter relay connector for my '94. Anybody know where to
get one without buying the whole harness?

Thanks1

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Try Cyclewearables. Never used them, but they had a surprisingly
large selection of OEM-type connectors the last time I looked.

But if you mean the 4-pin pink one that also covers the main fuse, I
don't think you'll find one anywhere. eBay...?

Ciao,

JZH
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On 11/3/07, tookhul@xxxxxx wrote:
> I need the starter relay connector for my '94. Anybody know where to
> get one without buying the whole harness?
>
> Thanks1
>
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Thanks - I need only the connector, not the one that has the fuse.Ebay
is a good idea, too.

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On Nov 3, 2007, at 1:02 PM, jzh3@xxxxxx wrote:

> Try Cyclewearables. Never used them, but they had a surprisingly
> large selection of OEM-type connectors the last time I looked.
>
> But if you mean the 4-pin pink one that also covers the main fuse, I
> don't think you'll find one anywhere. eBay...?
>
> Ciao,
>
> JZH
> London, UK
> www.vsource.org
>
> On 11/3/07, tookhul@xxxxxx wrote:
>> I need the starter relay connector for my '94. Anybody know where to
>> get one without buying the whole harness?
>>
>> Thanks1
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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I agree - and that's why I struggle to keep mine on the road. I think
I've got the charging circuit working well. The relay energizes but
the starter doesn't turn over. If I leave the key on and short across
the two large allen head bolts on the top of the relay the bike will
start, so I think the relay contacts are oxidized. The connector is
fried too, and if I can't find a connector I'll try spade lugs.

Ay thoughts?

digger
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On Nov 3, 2007, at 4:37 PM, Paul.Smith@xxxxxx wrote:

>
> did you trace it back to a bad R/R or any other unit, or was your
> problem isolated to the starter relay?
> Hopefully that's the case...cheapest and easiest to repair.
> Glad another 94 will be back on the road.
> 4th gens are the best, IMO.
>
> Paul in SoCal
>
>
> tookhul@xxxxxx
> 11/03/2007 04:15 PM
>
> To
> Paul.Smith@xxxxxx
> cc
> Subject
> Re: Starter relay connector
>
>
>
>
>
> The spade lug idea was a last resort. I ordered the relay from a
> Honda dealer. The connector is fried but was working. If I turn the
> key on I can hear the relay energize but the starter doesn't turn
> over. I can short across the relay (the two big bolts on the top)
> and the bike will start.
>
> digger
> -------------------------
> "Life's been good to me so far"
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 3, 2007, at 3:56 PM, Paul.Smith@xxxxxx wrote:
>
>
> the relay:
> google the part number you'll find it cross-references with a couple
> other Honda models.
> I have one from a Honda Shadow on my 94 that I scored for $9 shipped.
> If you're lucky it'll come with the connector. If not you can try
> what I did.
> Mine was melted. I clipped it off, crimped on new female spade
> connectors to the wires and wrapped it with electrical tape to seal
> out moisture
> Good Luck, email me if you need any details.
>
> Paul in SoCal
>
> tookhul@xxxxxx
> Sent by: vfr-bounces@xxxxxx
> 11/03/2007 11:25 AM
>
>
> To
> VFR
> cc
> Subject
> Starter relay connector
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I need the starter relay connector for my '94. Anybody know where to
> get one without buying the whole harness?
>
> Thanks1
>
> digger
> -------------------------
> "Life's been good to me so far"
>
>
>
>
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Paul -

I have already gone through a new RR and finally a new RR connector,
and the charging circuit looks good now. I have a voltmeter monitoring
it and things seem to be working correctly. I also replaced the
battery when the starter failed to turn over, thinking that it might
be the cause. I now believe I now need to replace the relay and
connector. It sure is a chore, but I love the bike and don't mind the
work - so far.


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On Nov 3, 2007, at 5:03 PM, Paul.Smith@xxxxxx wrote:

>
> it definitely sounds like the starter relay is toast.
> since you have that on order from Honda, you should be good there.
> But before you swap it out, I would trace back to the R/R, just to
> make sure.
>
> With my own, I saw the same thing you probably saw. Some rust-
> colored corrosion and heat damage along with the melted connector.
> It's possible that some moisture got in there and added resistance
> to the system, the R/R had to work extra hard, supplied more juice,
> caused more heat, etc. There's your vicious cycle until the starter
> relay goes out.
>
> When that happened to me, I was able to catch it (the first time
> around) before the starter relay finally went out on me, the
> connector and wires got so badly damaged that the wire from the R/R
> wasn't supplying juice to the battery. At that time (sometime last
> year) all I did was clip the connector, clean things up, put on new
> female spades and reconnected to the relay. That lasted for over a
> year and 30+K miles, I think.
>
> Then about a month or so ago, the relay finally went out on me. I
> hit the starter button, heard a click-pop and nothing. When I
> disassmbled everything, the stater relay was a mess, one of the
> spades at the R/R was melted and the wires heading back to the
> stator were starting to show some heat damage (at the connection
> under the mid-right fairing).
>
> My point is, with this electrical stuff (at least for me), its hard
> to pin-point the exact cause, and exactly how far back the damage
> spread. It sounds to me like just starter relay was damaged in your
> bike, but it couldn't hurt to go back and check the condition of the
> R/R. I've heard of the damage getting so bad it goes all the way
> back to the stator and takes that out. That can be costly and time-
> consuming. I was able to replace the R/R, starter relay and a good
> number of the related wires for around $50 (thank you ebay!).
>
> Again, good luck!
> Too bad you aren't closer to me, having done this on 2 4th Gen
> viffers, I'm starting to get comfortable with it.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
> tookhul@xxxxxx
> 11/03/2007 04:46 PM
>
> To
> Paul.Smith@xxxxxx, VFR
> cc
> Subject
> Re: Starter relay connector
>
>
>
>
>
> I agree - and that's why I struggle to keep mine on the road. I
> think I've got the charging circuit working well. The relay
> energizes but the starter doesn't turn over. If I leave the key on
> and short across the two large allen head bolts on the top of the
> relay the bike will start, so I think the relay contacts are
> oxidized. The connector is fried too, and if I can't find a
> connector I'll try spade lugs.
>
> Ay thoughts?
>
> digger
> -------------------------
> "Life's been good to me so far"
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 3, 2007, at 4:37 PM, Paul.Smith@xxxxxx wrote:
>
>
> did you trace it back to a bad R/R or any other unit, or was your
> problem isolated to the starter relay?
> Hopefully that's the case...cheapest and easiest to repair.
> Glad another 94 will be back on the road.
> 4th gens are the best, IMO.
>
> Paul in SoCal
>
> tookhul@xxxxxx
> 11/03/2007 04:15 PM
>
>
> To
> Paul.Smith@xxxxxx
> cc
> Subject
> Re: Starter relay connector
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The spade lug idea was a last resort. I ordered the relay from a
> Honda dealer. The connector is fried but was working. If I turn the
> key on I can hear the relay energize but the starter doesn't turn
> over. I can short across the relay (the two big bolts on the top)
> and the bike will start.
>
> digger
> -------------------------
> "Life's been good to me so far"
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 3, 2007, at 3:56 PM, Paul.Smith@xxxxxx wrote:
>
>
> the relay:
> google the part number you'll find it cross-references with a couple
> other Honda models.
> I have one from a Honda Shadow on my 94 that I scored for $9 shipped.
> If you're lucky it'll come with the connector. If not you can try
> what I did.
> Mine was melted. I clipped it off, crimped on new female spade
> connectors to the wires and wrapped it with electrical tape to seal
> out moisture
> Good Luck, email me if you need any details.
>
> Paul in SoCal
> tookhul@xxxxxx
> Sent by: vfr-bounces@xxxxxx
> 11/03/2007 11:25 AM
>
>
> To
> VFR
> cc
> Subject
> Starter relay connector
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I need the starter relay connector for my '94. Anybody know where to
> get one without buying the whole harness?
>
> Thanks1
>
> digger
> -------------------------
> "Life's been good to me so far"
>
>
>
>
>
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I've thought about rewiring the entire charging circuitry with heavier
gauge wire and new connectors. It wouldn't be that much work... I
think...

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-------------------------
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On Nov 3, 2007, at 5:33 PM, Paul.Smith@xxxxxx wrote:

>
> this sounds like the last piece in the puzzle then. You probably
> will be good to go from here.
> One thing you might want to consider in the future is slightly
> heavier gauge wire, mostly as a precaution.
> Probably be fine with stock size stuff.
> Paul
>
>
> tookhul@xxxxxx
> Sent by: vfr-bounces@xxxxxx
> 11/03/2007 05:13 PM
>
> To
> Paul.Smith@xxxxxx, VFR
> cc
> Subject
> Re: Starter relay connector
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul -
>
> I have already gone through a new RR and finally a new RR connector,
> and the charging circuit looks good now. I have a voltmeter
> monitoring it and things seem to be working correctly. I also
> replaced the battery when the starter failed to turn over, thinking
> that it might be the cause. I now believe I now need to replace the
> relay and connector. It sure is a chore, but I love the bike and
> don't mind the work - so far.
>
>
> digger
> -------------------------
> "Life's been good to me so far"
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 3, 2007, at 5:03 PM, Paul.Smith@xxxxxx wrote:
>
>
> it definitely sounds like the starter relay is toast.
> since you have that on order from Honda, you should be good there.
> But before you swap it out, I would trace back to the R/R, just to
> make sure.
>
> With my own, I saw the same thing you probably saw. Some rust-
> colored corrosion and heat damage along with the melted connector.
> It's possible that some moisture got in there and added resistance
> to the system, the R/R had to work extra hard, supplied more juice,
> caused more heat, etc. There's your vicious cycle until the starter
> relay goes out.
>
> When that happened to me, I was able to catch it (the first time
> around) before the starter relay finally went out on me, the
> connector and wires got so badly damaged that the wire from the R/R
> wasn't supplying juice to the battery. At that time (sometime last
> year) all I did was clip the connector, clean things up, put on new
> female spades and reconnected to the relay. That lasted for over a
> year and 30+K miles, I think.
>
> Then about a month or so ago, the relay finally went out on me. I
> hit the starter button, heard a click-pop and nothing. When I
> disassmbled everything, the stater relay was a mess, one of the
> spades at the R/R was melted and the wires heading back to the
> stator were starting to show some heat damage (at the connection
> under the mid-right fairing).
>
> My point is, with this electrical stuff (at least for me), its hard
> to pin-point the exact cause, and exactly how far back the damage
> spread. It sounds to me like just starter relay was damaged in your
> bike, but it couldn't hurt to go back and check the condition of the
> R/R. I've heard of the damage getting so bad it goes all the way
> back to the stator and takes that out. That can be costly and time-
> consuming. I was able to replace the R/R, starter relay and a good
> number of the related wires for around $50 (thank you ebay!).
>
> Again, good luck!
> Too bad you aren't closer to me, having done this on 2 4th Gen
> viffers, I'm starting to get comfortable with it.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
> tookhul@xxxxxx
> 11/03/2007 04:46 PM
>
>
> To
> Paul.Smith@xxxxxx, VFR
> cc
> Subject
> Re: Starter relay connector
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I agree - and that's why I struggle to keep mine on the road. I
> think I've got the charging circuit working well. The relay
> energizes but the starter doesn't turn over. If I leave the key on
> and short across the two large allen head bolts on the top of the
> relay the bike will start, so I think the relay contacts are
> oxidized. The connector is fried too, and if I can't find a
> connector I'll try spade lugs.
>
> Ay thoughts?
>
> digger
> -------------------------
> "Life's been good to me so far"
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 3, 2007, at 4:37 PM, Paul.Smith@xxxxxx wrote:
>
>
> did you trace it back to a bad R/R or any other unit, or was your
> problem isolated to the starter relay?
> Hopefully that's the case...cheapest and easiest to repair.
> Glad another 94 will be back on the road.
> 4th gens are the best, IMO.
>
> Paul in SoCal
> tookhul@xxxxxx
> 11/03/2007 04:15 PM
>
>
> To
> Paul.Smith@xxxxxx
> cc
> Subject
> Re: Starter relay connector
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The spade lug idea was a last resort. I ordered the relay from a
> Honda dealer. The connector is fried but was working. If I turn the
> key on I can hear the relay energize but the starter doesn't turn
> over. I can short across the relay (the two big bolts on the top)
> and the bike will start.
>
> digger
> -------------------------
> "Life's been good to me so far"
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 3, 2007, at 3:56 PM, Paul.Smith@xxxxxx wrote:
>
>
> the relay:
> google the part number you'll find it cross-references with a couple
> other Honda models.
> I have one from a Honda Shadow on my 94 that I scored for $9 shipped.
> If you're lucky it'll come with the connector. If not you can try
> what I did.
> Mine was melted. I clipped it off, crimped on new female spade
> connectors to the wires and wrapped it with electrical tape to seal
> out moisture
> Good Luck, email me if you need any details.
>
> Paul in SoCal
> tookhul@xxxxxx
> Sent by: vfr-bounces@xxxxxx
> 11/03/2007 11:25 AM
>
>
> To
> VFR
> cc
> Subject
> Starter relay connector
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I need the starter relay connector for my '94. Anybody know where to
> get one without buying the whole harness?
>
> Thanks1
>
> digger
> -------------------------
> "Life's been good to me so far"
>
>
>
>
>
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Don't forget to check all the ground connections. They should be
removed, sanded/filed and retightened with a torque wrench with anti-ox
compound if you are having any other issues with the electrical system.
They might look fine from the outside but be covered with a fine layer
of insulating oxidation within. Often the ground is the hidden culprit
on 12v starting/charging circuits and cause many people to run in
circles fixing everything else. My theory is that many R/R issues are
caused, in fact, by poor and failing ground connections.

-Jim


tookhul@xxxxxx wrote:
> I've thought about rewiring the entire charging circuitry with heavier
> gauge wire and new connectors. It wouldn't be that much work... I think...
>
> digger
> -------------------------
> "Life's been good to me so far"
>
>
>
>
>

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Thanks, Ed. I think I was saying the sam thing you are and I like the
Radio Shack idea and perhaps soldering the connections.

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-------------------------
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On Nov 3, 2007, at 5:50 PM, Ed Ostack wrote:

> The relay energizes but the starter doesn't turn over
>
>
> Digger...this does NOT necessarily mean ...the relay is GOOD because
> you hear it being energized.
> The contacts inside the relay that switch the current through it
> could easily be burned ...ANd those can be measured for current by
> merlely appling 12 v to the relay with it out of the socket and
> checking the resistance across the contacts. I would think this is
> more likely.... WHAT... IS BURNED. ...unless you see and have
> confirmed otherwise. You might want to just hardwire( solder) the
> leads to the relay and omit the connector. And in that case you have
> quite a selection of 12v relays to choose from at the local auto
> parts or Radio shack stores. Radio SHACK part 275-226 Auto relay
> will carry 30 amps current. I think it was easily under $10. You
> will need to check the schematic in the electrical section of
> theshop manual to see exactly what kind of switching is required.
> Mine is a simple SPST single pole single throw switch.
> Ed
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tookhul@xxxxxx
> To: Paul.Smith@xxxxxx ; VFR
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Starter relay connector
>
> I agree - and that's why I struggle to keep mine on the road. I
> think I've got the charging circuit working well. The relay
> energizes but the starter doesn't turn over. If I leave the key on
> and short across the two large allen head bolts on the top of the
> relay the bike will start, so I think the relay contacts are
> oxidized. The connector is fried too, and if I can't find a
> connector I'll try spade lugs.
>
> Ay thoughts?
>
> digger
> -------------------------
> "Life's been good to me so far"
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 3, 2007, at 4:37 PM, Paul.Smith@xxxxxx wrote:
>
>>
>> did you trace it back to a bad R/R or any other unit, or was your
>> problem isolated to the starter relay?
>> Hopefully that's the case...cheapest and easiest to repair.
>> Glad another 94 will be back on the road.
>> 4th gens are the best, IMO.
>>
>> Paul in SoCal
>>
>>
>> tookhul@xxxxxx
>> 11/03/2007 04:15 PM
>>
>> To
>> Paul.Smith@xxxxxx
>> cc
>> Subject
>> Re: Starter relay connector
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The spade lug idea was a last resort. I ordered the relay from a
>> Honda dealer. The connector is fried but was working. If I turn the
>> key on I can hear the relay energize but the starter doesn't turn
>> over. I can short across the relay (the two big bolts on the top)
>> and the bike will start.
>>
>> digger
>> -------------------------
>> "Life's been good to me so far"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 3, 2007, at 3:56 PM, Paul.Smith@xxxxxx wrote:
>>
>>
>> the relay:
>> google the part number you'll find it cross-references with a
>> couple other Honda models.
>> I have one from a Honda Shadow on my 94 that I scored for $9 shipped.
>> If you're lucky it'll come with the connector. If not you can try
>> what I did.
>> Mine was melted. I clipped it off, crimped on new female spade
>> connectors to the wires and wrapped it with electrical tape to seal
>> out moisture
>> Good Luck, email me if you need any details.
>>
>> Paul in SoCal
>>
>> tookhul@xxxxxx
>> Sent by: vfr-bounces@xxxxxx
>> 11/03/2007 11:25 AM
>>
>>
>> To
>> VFR
>> cc
>> Subject
>> Starter relay connector
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I need the starter relay connector for my '94. Anybody know where to
>> get one without buying the whole harness?
>>
>> Thanks1
>>
>> digger
>> -------------------------
>> "Life's been good to me so far"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Another good idea. I did check them for tightness but your suggestion
of redoing them is good.

digger
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On Nov 3, 2007, at 5:56 PM, firefly wrote:

> Don't forget to check all the ground connections. They should be
> removed, sanded/filed and retightened with a torque wrench with anti-
> ox
> compound if you are having any other issues with the electrical
> system.
> They might look fine from the outside but be covered with a fine layer
> of insulating oxidation within. Often the ground is the hidden
> culprit
> on 12v starting/charging circuits and cause many people to run in
> circles fixing everything else. My theory is that many R/R issues are
> caused, in fact, by poor and failing ground connections.
>
> -Jim
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> tookhul@xxxxxx wrote:
>> I've thought about rewiring the entire charging circuitry with
>> heavier
>> gauge wire and new connectors. It wouldn't be that much work... I
>> think...
>>
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