Any advice on Stebel horn install?

I just bought a Stebel compact air horn to install on my VFR, with a
wiring kit. The horn comes with a relay, and the wiring kit provides
a few connectors and a suitable fuse. Anyone have any tips or advice
on the process? The horn is a little bigger and heavier than I hoped,
so I'm not quite sure how I'll manage to secure it properly inside the
bodywork.

I'm also contemplating leaving the stock horn installed, with a 2-way
switch to select between the two horns. Presumably I'd label the
switch settings "honk" and "stun".

-Brett

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You should mention what year VFR you have - that'll make a big
difference with the mounting suggestions.

And if you don't mind a suggestion, leave both horns hooked up and leave
it at that. In a situation that you might need horns, you shouldn't
give yourself the extra task or distraction of having to think about
which horn to hit. Just my opinion...

-Brad

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I just bought a Stebel compact air horn to install on my VFR, with a
wiring kit. The horn comes with a relay, and the wiring kit provides
a few connectors and a suitable fuse. Anyone have any tips or advice
on the process? The horn is a little bigger and heavier than I hoped,
so I'm not quite sure how I'll manage to secure it properly inside the
bodywork.

I'm also contemplating leaving the stock horn installed, with a 2-way
switch to select between the two horns. Presumably I'd label the
switch settings "honk" and "stun".

-Brett

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On 4/3/08, Brad Berson wrote:
> You should mention what year VFR you have - that'll make a big
> difference with the mounting suggestions.

Good point. It's a (yellow) 2000 gen 5.

> And if you don't mind a suggestion, leave both horns hooked up and leave
> it at that. In a situation that you might need horns, you shouldn't
> give yourself the extra task or distraction of having to think about
> which horn to hit. Just my opinion...

I wasn't suggesting two horn buttons. The intent was an A/B switch to
select which horn gets activated when the horn button is pressed. The
goal was to have a way to use a gentler horn in situations where I
might not want to startle someone (e.g. light turned green and they
aren't moving). The default would be full blast for urgent
situations, of course. But, I may go with your suggestion of just
hooking both up.

-Brett


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> Of Brett Coon
> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:10 AM
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> Subject: Any advice on Stebel horn install?
>
>
> I just bought a Stebel compact air horn to install on my VFR, with a
> wiring kit. The horn comes with a relay, and the wiring kit provides
> a few connectors and a suitable fuse. Anyone have any tips or advice
> on the process? The horn is a little bigger and heavier than I hoped,
> so I'm not quite sure how I'll manage to secure it properly inside the
> bodywork.
>
> I'm also contemplating leaving the stock horn installed, with a 2-way
> switch to select between the two horns. Presumably I'd label the
> switch settings "honk" and "stun".
>
> -Brett
>
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Brett:

The simplest way to wire the horn would be to take power and ground
directly from the battery and activate the relay using the contacts that
go to the stock horn.

I agree with Brad, leave stock horn connected.

As far as a location, there is a lot of space in the front cowl above
the turn signals. See if it'll fit there.

-Mike

Brett Coon wrote:
> I just bought a Stebel compact air horn to install on my VFR, with a
> wiring kit. The horn comes with a relay, and the wiring kit provides
> a few connectors and a suitable fuse. Anyone have any tips or advice
> on the process? The horn is a little bigger and heavier than I hoped,
> so I'm not quite sure how I'll manage to secure it properly inside the
> bodywork.
>
> I'm also contemplating leaving the stock horn installed, with a 2-way
> switch to select between the two horns. Presumably I'd label the
> switch settings "honk" and "stun".
>
> -Brett
>
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A Stebel Nautilus Compact? Those aren't very compact... What they
are, however, is very, very loud. I have one on my ST1300, but it's a
tight fit even on that monster. Not sure it would even fit on a VFR?
That said, of course I have an extra one I'm certainly going to TRY to
fit to my FP eventually.

Leave the OEM beeper wired up if you like, and the Stebel wired
directly to the battery, activated using a relay, but I wouldn't
suggest you wire the horns up separately. Just "toot" the horn to be
polite, and lay on the MF when the situation warrants... Why add an
extra thought process?

Ciao,

JZH
London, UK
www.vsource.org

On 4/4/08, Michael Schwab wrote:
> Brett:
>
> The simplest way to wire the horn would be to take power and ground
> directly from the battery and activate the relay using the contacts that
> go to the stock horn.
>
> I agree with Brad, leave stock horn connected.
>
> As far as a location, there is a lot of space in the front cowl above
> the turn signals. See if it'll fit there.
>
> -Mike
>
> Brett Coon wrote:
> > I just bought a Stebel compact air horn to install on my VFR, with a
> > wiring kit. The horn comes with a relay, and the wiring kit provides
> > a few connectors and a suitable fuse. Anyone have any tips or advice
> > on the process? The horn is a little bigger and heavier than I hoped,
> > so I'm not quite sure how I'll manage to secure it properly inside the
> > bodywork.
> >
> > I'm also contemplating leaving the stock horn installed, with a 2-way
> > switch to select between the two horns. Presumably I'd label the
> > switch settings "honk" and "stun".
> >
> > -Brett
> >
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Any advice on Stebel horn install?

I managed to stuff my Stebel inside the top fairing, but I don't think many
people have an '85 VF1000. I used the stock horn button running a new fused
hotwire from the battery and the included relay.
It DOES get the attention of pedestrians, cages and bicycles.
Randy


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Brett Coon scribbled:

> I'm also contemplating leaving the stock horn installed, with a 2-way
> switch to select between the two horns. Presumably I'd label the
> switch settings "honk" and "stun".

You want the original horn left exactly the way it is. Run the relay wire
off that circuit giving the Stebel a straight shot to the battery through the
relay. (Put a fuse on it!)

You will have both horns active at one time. If the Stebel is working
properly, you'll never notice the original horn anyways. But if it fails,
you'll have a backup signal device, and be legal under the letter of the law.
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T wrote:

>Brett Coon scribbled:
>
>
>
>>I'm also contemplating leaving the stock horn installed, with a 2-way
>>switch to select between the two horns. Presumably I'd label the
>>switch settings "honk" and "stun".
>>
>>
>
> You want the original horn left exactly the way it is. Run the relay wire
>off that circuit giving the Stebel a straight shot to the battery through the
>relay. (Put a fuse on it!)
>
> You will have both horns active at one time. If the Stebel is working
>properly, you'll never notice the original horn anyways. But if it fails,
>you'll have a backup signal device, and be legal under the letter of the law.
>
>
>
....and if you wanted to, you could run the horn signal wire through a
dash panel switch on its way to the aforementioned relay. That would
allow you to disable the dB-Blaster for courtesy beeps.


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Fred Wills scribbled:

> ...and if you wanted to, you could run the horn signal wire through a
> dash panel switch on its way to the aforementioned relay. That would
> allow you to disable the dB-Blaster for courtesy beeps.

I don't believe in 'courtesy beeps'. A very short *BLAST* is as courteous
as it gets. If it has to be used, LET IT BE USED.


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Courtesy beeps are for things like letting the guy in front of you know
that the light has changed. Just a little tap on the button to get a
little attention without disturbing the sleep, conversations or trains
of thought of everyone within a thousand feet of you.

Even a perfectly legal horn setup is illegal if used unnecessarily.

I'm saying this of course as someone who has to resist every day the
temptation to open fire on the impatient assholes who lean on their
horns outside my place because the people in front of them have the
nerve to actually stop at the stop sign there instead of running over
the pedestrians in the crosswalk...

I'm working on getting an EPA official to hand out summonses for a few
weeks. $300 a pop, double if you fight and lose.


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Fred Wills scribbled:

> ...and if you wanted to, you could run the horn signal wire through a
> dash panel switch on its way to the aforementioned relay. That would
> allow you to disable the dB-Blaster for courtesy beeps.

I don't believe in 'courtesy beeps'. A very short *BLAST* is as
courteous
as it gets. If it has to be used, LET IT BE USED.


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I wish I had a grenade launcher for all the idiots in my neighborhood (in fact in all of Chicago) who think a car horn is an acceptable substitute for a doorbell - lazy mofos!

Brad Berson wrote: Courtesy beeps are for things like letting the guy in front of you know
that the light has changed. Just a little tap on the button to get a
little attention without disturbing the sleep, conversations or trains
of thought of everyone within a thousand feet of you.

Even a perfectly legal horn setup is illegal if used unnecessarily.

I'm saying this of course as someone who has to resist every day the
temptation to open fire on the impatient assholes who lean on their
horns outside my place because the people in front of them have the
nerve to actually stop at the stop sign there instead of running over
the pedestrians in the crosswalk...

I'm working on getting an EPA official to hand out summonses for a few
weeks. $300 a pop, double if you fight and lose.


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Fred Wills scribbled:

> ...and if you wanted to, you could run the horn signal wire through a
> dash panel switch on its way to the aforementioned relay. That would
> allow you to disable the dB-Blaster for courtesy beeps.

I don't believe in 'courtesy beeps'. A very short *BLAST* is as
courteous
as it gets. If it has to be used, LET IT BE USED.


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Ron Perrillo scribbled:

> I wish I had a grenade launcher for all the idiots in my neighborhood
> (in fact in all of Chicago) who think a car horn is an
> acceptable substitute for a doorbell

Friend of mine refers to them as 'Puerto Rican doorbells'.

In all the time I've had air horns on the car I've perhaps used them twice,
very briefly, to wake the sleeping driver in front. Twice more, at speed, to
wake the chatting idiot drifting into my lane.

I am blessed in living in a suburban area where you can actually hear the
bumblebees outside doing their thing, and not much else. When the new
neighbors moved into the old house next door, I had a little issue with the
cavalier use of using their horns to announce comings and goings. (They
must've been brought up on the streets of NYC.)

The word to the daughter was, 'Hi. Out here horns are used /only/ for
emergencies. If you're having an emergency I would be happy to call the police
for you.'

Since then, no horns have been used. (With one exception, who was driving
an enormous old Mercedes and looked strikingly like Alan Greenspan in looks
and age. Probably deaf as a board.)

So, moderation is very much in mind. But I want the capability to rattle
the fillings in empty heads.
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