Michelin Pilot Road 2

Hello all,

Has anyone tried these new tires? There seems to be a lot of hype around
these and I wonder if it's warranted.

My front tire is showing some sidewall cracks and gave me a bit of headshake
on deceleration. Time for a change up!

Cheers,
Patrick
1994 Honda VFR750F
1977 Suzuki GS750

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In a message dated 4/10/08 7:41:54 AM, patrick@xxxxxx writes:


>
> My front tire is showing some sidewall cracks and gave me a bit of headshake
> on deceleration.*
>

yeah, what's with that headshake? I've got the same bike, and I cannot go
hands-free on decel except for maybe a bike length, yet I can go for miles on my
other bikes, tires good or not.


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Hmm... I assumed if the steering bearings were okay, it was almost always a
tire problem.

Have you checked for any play or notches in the steering head? (I haven't
yet, since my tires look old).


On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:51 AM, wrote:

>
> In a message dated 4/10/08 7:41:54 AM, patrick@xxxxxx writes:
>
>
>
> My front tire is showing some sidewall cracks and gave me a bit of
> headshake on deceleration.
>
>
> yeah, what's with that headshake? I've got the same bike, and I cannot go
> hands-free on decel except for maybe a bike length, yet I can go for miles
> on my other bikes, tires good or not.
>
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Your suspension preloads could also not be setup right. If you don't mind
me asking...how heavy are you?

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Patrick Shelston
wrote:

> Hmm... I assumed if the steering bearings were okay, it was almost always
> a tire problem.
>
> Have you checked for any play or notches in the steering head? (I haven't
> yet, since my tires look old).
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:51 AM, wrote:
>
> >
> > In a message dated 4/10/08 7:41:54 AM, patrick@xxxxxx writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > My front tire is showing some sidewall cracks and gave me a bit of
> > headshake on deceleration.
> >
> >
> > yeah, what's with that headshake? I've got the same bike, and I cannot
> > go hands-free on decel except for maybe a bike length, yet I can go for
> > miles on my other bikes, tires good or not.
> >
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How dare you!? ;)

~170 lbs



On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Chris Burgess
wrote:

> Your suspension preloads could also not be setup right. If you don't mind
> me asking...how heavy are you?
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Patrick Shelston
> wrote:
>
> > Hmm... I assumed if the steering bearings were okay, it was almost
> > always a tire problem.
> >
> > Have you checked for any play or notches in the steering head? (I
> > haven't yet, since my tires look old).
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:51 AM, wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 4/10/08 7:41:54 AM, patrick@xxxxxx writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My front tire is showing some sidewall cracks and gave me a bit of
> > > headshake on deceleration.
> > >
> > >
> > > yeah, what's with that headshake? I've got the same bike, and I cannot
> > > go hands-free on decel except for maybe a bike length, yet I can go for
> > > miles on my other bikes, tires good or not.
> > >
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I guess I was actually asking forsaleinfl dude. You shoudln't have
headshake unless your tires are way cupped.

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Patrick Shelston
wrote:

> How dare you!? ;)
>
> ~170 lbs
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Chris Burgess
> wrote:
>
> > Your suspension preloads could also not be setup right. If you don't
> > mind me asking...how heavy are you?
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Patrick Shelston
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hmm... I assumed if the steering bearings were okay, it was almost
> > > always a tire problem.
> > >
> > > Have you checked for any play or notches in the steering head? (I
> > > haven't yet, since my tires look old).
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:51 AM, wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 4/10/08 7:41:54 AM, patrick@xxxxxx writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My front tire is showing some sidewall cracks and gave me a bit of
> > > > headshake on deceleration.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > yeah, what's with that headshake? I've got the same bike, and I
> > > > cannot go hands-free on decel except for maybe a bike length, yet I can go
> > > > for miles on my other bikes, tires good or not.
> > > >
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In a message dated 4/10/08 8:39:25 AM, chris@xxxxxx writes:


> I guess I was actually asking forsaleinfl dude.* You shoudln't have
> headshake unless your tires are way cupped.
>
Just about the same weight. 6"1", 175. And the tires never (so far) have an
effect on it..right now I've got about 1500 miles on a set of D204s, and even
with 5500 miles on a set I still get the shakes if I remove my hands.



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I replaced the steering head bearings with tapered
roller bearings in my 94 - no more shake on decel -
actually no more shake anytime.


--- ForsaleinFL@xxxxxx wrote:

>
> In a message dated 4/10/08 8:39:25 AM,
> chris@xxxxxx writes:
>
>
> > I guess I was actually asking forsaleinfl dude.*
> You shoudln't have
> > headshake unless your tires are way cupped.
> >
> Just about the same weight. 6"1", 175. And the tires
> never (so far) have an
> effect on it..right now I've got about 1500 miles on
> a set of D204s, and even
> with 5500 miles on a set I still get the shakes if I
> remove my hands.
>
>
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'95 VFR750 - Twobros xmetal slipon, reworked suspension by Lindemann, Factory jet kit, Zero gravity DB, Sargent seat - just turned over 105K miles 03/15/2008.

'71 Chevy stepside - Porsche guards red, lowered 4" rear, 3" front - cool cruiser.

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Where'd you get them? Honda dealer? Made by Honda?


In a message dated 4/10/08 11:19:49 AM, vfrdude_2000@xxxxxx writes:


>
> * I replaced the steering head bearings with tapered
> roller bearings in my 94 - no more shake on decel -
> actually no more shake anytime.
>




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Dude, this isn't exactly news...If you were to search the archives you
would find a load of information about tapered roller bearings,
sources therefor and even some Honda part numbers. Apparently, they
were OEM on some dirt bikes as well as Goldwings, but happen to be the
same dimensions as the VFR's OEM ball bearings. (Or you could just
look on my Web site, but what's the fun in that?!?)

You can buy them from Honda if you like, but as Honda just buys them
from someone else anyway, why? Most people in the 'States seem to use
AllBalls Racing or CBR Bearing Co., but most bearings can be sourced
from any good automotive bearing/seal supplier.

I prefer the sealed lower bearings (which means no extra seal is
required) I have only found at Moore Speed Racing in the UK, but I'm
sure even these are available elsewhere...

(http://www.vsource.org/VFR-RVF_files/BBearings.htm)

Ciao,

JZH
London, UK
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On 4/10/08, ForsaleinFL@xxxxxx wrote:
>
> Where'd you get them? Honda dealer? Made by Honda?
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John,

What's the name of that bearing supplier on Western Ave. in Gardena?
Have used All Balls and CBR. Just for convenience sake.

JohnA in LA, CA USA

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:42 PM, wrote:
> Dude, this isn't exactly news...If you were to search the archives you
> would find a load of information about tapered roller bearings,
> sources therefor and even some Honda part numbers. Apparently, they
> were OEM on some dirt bikes as well as Goldwings, but happen to be the
> same dimensions as the VFR's OEM ball bearings. (Or you could just
> look on my Web site, but what's the fun in that?!?)
>
> You can buy them from Honda if you like, but as Honda just buys them
> from someone else anyway, why? Most people in the 'States seem to use
> AllBalls Racing or CBR Bearing Co., but most bearings can be sourced
> from any good automotive bearing/seal supplier.
>
> I prefer the sealed lower bearings (which means no extra seal is
> required) I have only found at Moore Speed Racing in the UK, but I'm
> sure even these are available elsewhere...
>
> (http://www.vsource.org/VFR-RVF_files/BBearings.htm)
>
> Ciao,
>
> JZH
> London, UK
> www.vsource.org
>
> On 4/10/08, ForsaleinFL@xxxxxx wrote:
> >
> > Where'd you get them? Honda dealer? Made by Honda?
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From all this conversation, can I gather that no one has tried the
Michelin Pilot Road 2 ?
:)

-turgut

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Sorry, my bearing epiphany had not yet occurred and I was, therefore,
still wallowing in ignorance when I lived in LA... But, FWIW, Western
Ave. in Gardena is EXACTLY the neighborhood I'd expect to find just
such an automotive bearing and seal supply house!

Ciao,

JZH
London, UK
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On 4/11/08, John Alexander wrote:
> John,
>
> What's the name of that bearing supplier on Western Ave. in Gardena?
> Have used All Balls and CBR. Just for convenience sake.
>
> JohnA in LA, CA USA
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About 4-5 message up, August Banks said that he highly recommends the tire.

"Just replaced my first front of the Pilot Road 2. I have a very high
opinion of them for my commuting needs. Lasted 18k miles (98% commuting),
while the Pilot Road 1 lasted about 14k miles. That's a 28% improvement in
life, for 20% more money. Plus the grip and handling were much improved. I
would highly recommend it."

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 5:12 AM, turgut kalfaoglu
wrote:

> From all this conversation, can I gather that no one has tried the
> Michelin Pilot Road 2 ?
> :)
>
> -turgut
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Well, I've got the new Michelin on on the front now and I couldn't get it to
headshake/wobble/weave on me... tried going downhile w/engine braking and
hands off (but close!) and it was very stable.

Anyway, the tire is still VERY new, still have all of the little hairs, so,
time will tell.

Cheers,
Patrick

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Patrick Shelston
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Has anyone tried these new tires? There seems to be a lot of hype around
> these and I wonder if it's warranted.
>
> My front tire is showing some sidewall cracks and gave me a bit of
> headshake on deceleration. Time for a change up!
>
> Cheers,
> Patrick
> 1994 Honda VFR750F
> 1977 Suzuki GS750
>
>

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