Subject: Re: Stator (?) question

Vic ~
Sorry, but a hot idle of 12.4-12.5 is not at all 'normal' in my experience.
My '99 never idles below the 13.7-13.9 range. That has been the case with
my OEM R/R as well as the upgraded Honda R/R. I recall a List thread
several years ago that discussed this issue and the fact that bikes of the
same year often produce different charging patterns. Mine (like a number of
others') has always produced a higher charge at idle than at
speed...generally 13.9-14.2 at idle and 13.6-13.8 at speed. My point here
is simply that it appears there is really no such thing as "normal" when it
comes to the VFR's charging system. Everyone seems to have a different
story.

Andrew Bertsch
'99VFR800FI/Sargent
Cogito Ergo Zoom
Sidney, Ohio
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:56:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: "vic5491@xxxxxx"
Subject: Re: Stator (?) question
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What you describe is totally normal for the stock charging system. In fact,
your system is performing on the high end of normal. Normally a hot bike
will idle down around 12.4 to 12.5 (which is fine) and get its maximum
output (13.8-14.2) about 1700 rpm and then drop down as rpms rise often
stabilizing between 13.2 and 13.8 at > 5000 rpms. Just ride but carry a
spare RR. This weird charging pattern is totally RR related and they do fail
quite regularly. I changed my RR out for a R1 RR and all of the weirdness
went away. If you want more on the R1 RR swapout, search the archives.

While stators will occassionally fail, they are much more reliable than are
the Honda RRs. I am 99.9% sure your stator has nothing to do with the
charging pattern you describe. It has to do with the design of the RR and
its heat, not engine heat. Try to hold your hand on your RR once the bike is
warmed up.

Vic

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Andrew, my comment is based on 5 years of hearing multiple threads on this issue, my own experience and the experience of other VFR riders I know. I eliminated the "mutant anomolies" that have been mentioned, such as yours, when I spoke of normal. An idle output of 13.7 - 13.9 is, IMHO, very abnormal for a VFR with a Honda RR.

Vic

Andrew Bertsch wrote:
Vic ~
Sorry, but a hot idle of 12.4-12.5 is not at all 'normal' in my experience. My '99 never idles below the 13.7-13.9 range. That has been the case with my OEM R/R as well as the upgraded Honda R/R. I recall a List thread several years ago that discussed this issue and the fact that bikes of the same year often produce different charging patterns. Mine (like a number of others') has always produced a higher charge at idle than at speed...generally 13.9-14.2 at idle and 13.6-13.8 at speed. My point here is simply that it appears there is really no such thing as "normal" when it comes to the VFR's charging system. Everyone seems to have a different story.

Andrew Bertsch
'99VFR800FI/Sargent
Cogito Ergo Zoom
Sidney, Ohio
abertsch1@xxxxxx



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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:56:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: "vic5491@xxxxxx"
Subject: Re: Stator (?) question
To: mmcham@xxxxxx-pc.org
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What you describe is totally normal for the stock charging system. In fact, your system is performing on the high end of normal. Normally a hot bike will idle down around 12.4 to 12.5 (which is fine) and get its maximum output (13.8-14.2) about 1700 rpm and then drop down as rpms rise often stabilizing between 13.2 and 13.8 at > 5000 rpms. Just ride but carry a spare RR. This weird charging pattern is totally RR related and they do fail quite regularly. I changed my RR out for a R1 RR and all of the weirdness went away. If you want more on the R1 RR swapout, search the archives.

While stators will occassionally fail, they are much more reliable than are the Honda RRs. I am 99.9% sure your stator has nothing to do with the charging pattern you describe. It has to do with the design of the RR and its heat, not engine heat. Try to hold your hand on your RR once the bike is warmed up.

Vic


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Vic ~

Check the archives. I've been a List member for 9 years, and while there
hasn't been any defining survey done, I recall a brief thread where several
Listers reported charge rates similar to mine for the 5th gen. Not
sure...it may be an exception to the rule, but I would suggest that my
experience is at least 5th-gen specific as each generation exhibits a
different charging pattern, and I've not heard of my experience other than
with a 98-2001 VFR.

Andrew Bertsch
'99VFR800FI/Sargent
Cogito Ergo Zoom
Sidney, Ohio
abertsch1@xxxxxx


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From: vic5491@xxxxxx [mailto:vic5491@xxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:26 PM
To: Andrew Bertsch
Cc: VFR Mailing List
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Stator (?) question


Andrew, my comment is based on 5 years of hearing multiple threads on this
issue, my own experience and the experience of other VFR riders I know. I
eliminated the "mutant anomolies" that have been mentioned, such as yours,
when I spoke of normal. An idle output of 13.7 - 13.9 is, IMHO, very
abnormal for a VFR with a Honda RR.

Vic

Andrew Bertsch wrote:

Vic ~
Sorry, but a hot idle of 12.4-12.5 is not at all 'normal' in my experience.
My '99 never idles below the 13.7-13.9 range. That has been the case with
my OEM R/R as well as the upgraded Honda R/R. I recall a List thread
several years ago that discussed this issue and the fact that bikes of the
same year often produce different charging patterns. Mine (like a number of
others') has always produced a higher charge at idle than at
speed...generally 13.9-14.2 at idle and 13.6-13.8 at speed. My point here
is simply that it appears there is really no such thing as "normal" when it
comes to the VFR's charging system. Everyone seems to have a different
story.


Andrew Bertsch
'99VFR800FI/Sargent
Cogito Ergo Zoom
Sidney, Ohio
abertsch1@xxxxxx



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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:56:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: "vic5491@xxxxxx"
Subject: Re: Stator (?) question
To: mmcham@xxxxxx-pc.org
Cc: vfr@xxxxxx
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What you describe is totally normal for the stock charging system. In fact,
your system is performing on the high end of normal. Normally a hot bike
will idle down around 12.4 to 12.5 (which is fine) and get its maximum
output (13.8-14.2) about 1700 rpm and then drop down as rpms rise often
stabilizing between 13.2 and 13.8 at > 5000 rpms. Just ride but carry a
spare RR. This weird charging pattern is totally RR related and they do fail
quite regularly. I changed my RR out for a R1 RR and all of the weirdness
went away. If you want more on the R1 RR swapout, search the archives.

While stators will occassionally fail, they are much more reliable than are
the Honda RRs. I am 99.9% sure your stator has nothing to do with the
charging pattern you describe. It has to do with the design of the RR and
its heat, not engine heat. Try to hold your hand on your RR once the bike is
warmed up.

Vic

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Andrew, it is just not worth the effort to debate this. Suffice to say, most Honda RRs create problems.

Vic

Andrew Bertsch wrote:
Vic ~

Check the archives. I've been a List member for 9 years, and while there hasn't been any defining survey done, I recall a brief thread where several Listers reported charge rates similar to mine for the 5th gen. Not sure...it may be an exception to the rule, but I would suggest that my experience is at least 5th-gen specific as each generation exhibits a different charging pattern, and I've not heard of my experience other than with a 98-2001 VFR.

Andrew Bertsch
'99VFR800FI/Sargent
Cogito Ergo Zoom
Sidney, Ohio
abertsch1@xxxxxx



-----Original Message-----
From: vic5491@xxxxxx [mailto:vic5491@xxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:26 PM
To: Andrew Bertsch
Cc: VFR Mailing List
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Stator (?) question


Andrew, my comment is based on 5 years of hearing multiple threads on this issue, my own experience and the experience of other VFR riders I know. I eliminated the "mutant anomolies" that have been mentioned, such as yours, when I spoke of normal. An idle output of 13.7 - 13.9 is, IMHO, very abnormal for a VFR with a Honda RR.

Vic

Andrew Bertsch wrote:
Vic ~
Sorry, but a hot idle of 12.4-12.5 is not at all 'normal' in my experience. My '99 never idles below the 13.7-13.9 range. That has been the case with my OEM R/R as well as the upgraded Honda R/R. I recall a List thread several years ago that discussed this issue and the fact that bikes of the same year often produce different charging patterns. Mine (like a number of others') has always produced a higher charge at idle than at speed...generally 13.9-14.2 at idle and 13.6-13.8 at speed. My point here is simply that it appears there is really no such thing as "normal" when it comes to the VFR's charging system. Everyone seems to have a different story.

Andrew Bertsch
'99VFR800FI/Sargent
Cogito Ergo Zoom
Sidney, Ohio
abertsch1@xxxxxx



Message: 2
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:56:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: "vic5491@xxxxxx"
Subject: Re: Stator (?) question
To: mmcham@xxxxxx-pc.org
Cc: vfr@xxxxxx
Message-ID: <829697.13617.qm@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
What you describe is totally normal for the stock charging system. In fact, your system is performing on the high end of normal. Normally a hot bike will idle down around 12.4 to 12.5 (which is fine) and get its maximum output (13.8-14.2) about 1700 rpm and then drop down as rpms rise often stabilizing between 13.2 and 13.8 at > 5000 rpms. Just ride but carry a spare RR. This weird charging pattern is totally RR related and they do fail quite regularly. I changed my RR out for a R1 RR and all of the weirdness went away. If you want more on the R1 RR swapout, search the archives.

While stators will occassionally fail, they are much more reliable than are the Honda RRs. I am 99.9% sure your stator has nothing to do with the charging pattern you describe. It has to do with the design of the RR and its heat, not engine heat. Try to hold your hand on your RR once the bike is warmed up.

Vic


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