Brake pads

I am heading out on a trip this coming Thursday and inspected my brake pads a minute ago. I am getting close to needing to change both the front and rears and should probably do so before leaving on the trip. I am still on the original fronts and second set of rears and have 32K+ on the bike (99 VFR).

I am pleased with the OEM pad performance and do not really want more braking power. The OEM pads give very linear braking performance and will, if really pressed, lock up either wheel and more braking performance just increases the likelihood that I will lock up the brakes in a panic stop. I would go with the OEMs, and may anyway, but they are expensive. Can anyone recommend an alternative that is quiet, provides comparable linear braking to OEM pads, that are rotor friendly and that cost less?

I know many people swear by EBC HH pads but I hear that they are not rotor friendly, are less linear and provide more braking power. As a result, I am reluctant to going that way.

Hope to hear from some of you asap as I need to act now. I thought I had more wear left but spotted an interior pad on the front that is too close to worn out for my comfort.

Vic


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Vic - I wanted more braking power and went w/ steel lines on the front,
AP550 fluid and .....yup, HH pads. So I'm not going to be any help.

-mac

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Subject: Brake pads


I am heading out on a trip this coming Thursday and inspected my brake pads
a minute ago. I am getting close to needing to change both the front and
rears and should probably do so before leaving on the trip. I am still on
the original fronts and second set of rears and have 32K+ on the bike (99
VFR).

I am pleased with the OEM pad performance and do not really want more
braking power. The OEM pads give very linear braking performance and will,
if really pressed, lock up either wheel and more braking performance just
increases the likelihood that I will lock up the brakes in a panic stop. I
would go with the OEMs, and may anyway, but they are expensive. Can anyone
recommend an alternative that is quiet, provides comparable linear braking
to OEM pads, that are rotor friendly and that cost less?

I know many people swear by EBC HH pads but I hear that they are not rotor
friendly, are less linear and provide more braking power. As a result, I am
reluctant to going that way.

Hope to hear from some of you asap as I need to act now. I thought I had
more wear left but spotted an interior pad on the front that is too close to
worn out for my comfort.

Vic


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I can highly recommend DP HH++ pads. Not hard on rotors, stop like stink.
You may be OK with the performance of the OEM pads but get these babies and
you'll wonder how you ever lived without them. Break in is critical, as it
probably is for most new pads. Here's the procedure that I've used very
successfully. It is taken from a post of several years ago by Bruce Wilson,
one of the most knowledgeable listers ever to grace this site. Hope this
helps,



Paul



1) scrub the rotors well with a greeen scotchbrite pad to remove residue and
the
"memory" of the old pads, and clean thoroughly with soap and water.
2) do a minimum 3 step break (brake)-in. First time out, ride 5-15 miles
using only
light brake pressure (maybe 25%) park the VFR and let the brakes cool
completely.
Second time out, 25-50% braking, gradually increasing on the (again) short
ride with
the cool down. Third time out, 50-80% braking power and a little more
aggressive
braking all the time. This will quickly bed in the pads to a workable
stopping power
til they completely seat in, and you wont glaze them in the process (which
is the
only caveat I have on these pads; they can be glazed with too much hard
braking too
early).
3) continue to be somewhat easy on them for 80-100 miles, and you're set for
15-20K
miles.







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Sent: June 13, 2008 11:13 PM
To: vfr@xxxxxx
Subject: Brake pads



I am heading out on a trip this coming Thursday and inspected my brake pads
a minute ago. I am getting close to needing to change both the front and
rears and should probably do so before leaving on the trip. I am still on
the original fronts and second set of rears and have 32K+ on the bike (99
VFR).



I am pleased with the OEM pad performance and do not really want more
braking power. The OEM pads give very linear braking performance and will,
if really pressed, lock up either wheel and more braking performance just
increases the likelihood that I will lock up the brakes in a panic stop. I
would go with the OEMs, and may anyway, but they are expensive. Can anyone
recommend an alternative that is quiet, provides comparable linear braking
to OEM pads, that are rotor friendly and that cost less?



I know many people swear by EBC HH pads but I hear that they are not rotor
friendly, are less linear and provide more braking power. As a result, I am
reluctant to going that way.



Hope to hear from some of you asap as I need to act now. I thought I had
more wear left but spotted an interior pad on the front that is too close to
worn out for my comfort.



Vic




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I'll second the DP HH++ pads!

Rudy Fierros
'95 VFR750 - Twobros xmetal slipon, reworked suspension by Lindemann, Factory jet kit, Zero gravity DB, Sargent seat - just turned over 105K miles 03/15/2008.

'71 Chevy stepside - Porsche guards red, lowered 4" rear, 3" front - cool cruiser.


--- On Sat, 6/14/08, Paul Monti wrote:

> From: Paul Monti
> Subject: RE: Brake pads
> To: vic5491@xxxxxx, vfr@xxxxxx
> Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 1:47 PM
> I can highly recommend DP HH++ pads. Not hard on rotors,
> stop like stink.
> You may be OK with the performance of the OEM pads but get
> these babies and
> you'll wonder how you ever lived without them. Break
> in is critical, as it
> probably is for most new pads. Here's the procedure
> that I've used very
> successfully. It is taken from a post of several years ago
> by Bruce Wilson,
> one of the most knowledgeable listers ever to grace this
> site. Hope this
> helps,
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> 1) scrub the rotors well with a greeen scotchbrite pad to
> remove residue and
> the
> "memory" of the old pads, and clean thoroughly
> with soap and water.
> 2) do a minimum 3 step break (brake)-in. First time out,
> ride 5-15 miles
> using only
> light brake pressure (maybe 25%) park the VFR and let the
> brakes cool
> completely.
> Second time out, 25-50% braking, gradually increasing on
> the (again) short
> ride with
> the cool down. Third time out, 50-80% braking power and a
> little more
> aggressive
> braking all the time. This will quickly bed in the pads to
> a workable
> stopping power
> til they completely seat in, and you wont glaze them in the
> process (which
> is the
> only caveat I have on these pads; they can be glazed with
> too much hard
> braking too
> early).
> 3) continue to be somewhat easy on them for 80-100 miles,
> and you're set for
> 15-20K
> miles.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: vfr-bounces@xxxxxx
> [mailto:vfr-bounces@xxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> vic5491@xxxxxx
> Sent: June 13, 2008 11:13 PM
> To: vfr@xxxxxx
> Subject: Brake pads
>
>
>
> I am heading out on a trip this coming Thursday and
> inspected my brake pads
> a minute ago. I am getting close to needing to change both
> the front and
> rears and should probably do so before leaving on the trip.
> I am still on
> the original fronts and second set of rears and have 32K+
> on the bike (99
> VFR).
>
>
>
> I am pleased with the OEM pad performance and do not really
> want more
> braking power. The OEM pads give very linear braking
> performance and will,
> if really pressed, lock up either wheel and more braking
> performance just
> increases the likelihood that I will lock up the brakes in
> a panic stop. I
> would go with the OEMs, and may anyway, but they are
> expensive. Can anyone
> recommend an alternative that is quiet, provides comparable
> linear braking
> to OEM pads, that are rotor friendly and that cost less?
>
>
>
> I know many people swear by EBC HH pads but I hear that
> they are not rotor
> friendly, are less linear and provide more braking power.
> As a result, I am
> reluctant to going that way.
>
>
>
> Hope to hear from some of you asap as I need to act now. I
> thought I had
> more wear left but spotted an interior pad on the front
> that is too close to
> worn out for my comfort.
>
>
>
> Vic_______________________________________________
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Vic ~

I've been running the EBC HH pads for about 8,000 miles now, and haven't
noticed any acceleration in rotor wear with just a bit more stopping power.
My guess is that unless you're an aggressive sport rider who often brakes
aggressively as well, you won't suffer any rotor-wear trade-offs with the
EBCs...plus, they will likely last longer and are far less costly than Honda
OEM. I have no regrets re: my decision to go with EBC replacement pads for
my '99.

Andy
Andrew Bertsch
'99VFR800FI/Sargent
Cogito Ergo Zoom
Sidney, Ohio
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Well, I wanted a little bit more stopping power that I had with the
OEM pads Vic.
I bought Galfer pads (the ceramic mix if I remember correctly).

The have been kind to my rotors so far, with a little better inital
bite, but a nice linear feel to them.
They do make a hissing noise on the first good stop, but after that
are silent.

Hope this helps

JohnS
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Andy and everyone else who posted re DP HH and EBC HH pads, thanks! I got up this morning, called my local dealer and they had the OEM pads in stock. I just took a deep breath and paid $115 including tax for a full set of pads. I first pulled the rear wheel and when I looked more closely, the rear still had what I guess to be 10K left (if you follow the guideline about wearing them down to next to nothing before changing). I decided to wait on the rears until after this trip since time is tight for me right now. I installed the new fronts and all is well.

I did have something happen that I was surprised by. When I pulled the right front pads, a small metal clip my manual calls the "pad retainer clip" fell out. I figured out where it went and what it did and all is fine now but have others had this small clip fall out as well? Seems kinda odd to have parts falling out like that. Most clips and pad springs stay put when you are just changing pads.

Vic

Andrew Bertsch wrote:
Vic ~

I've been running the EBC HH pads for about 8,000 miles now, and haven't noticed any acceleration in rotor wear with just a bit more stopping power. My guess is that unless you're an aggressive sport rider who often brakes aggressively as well, you won't suffer any rotor-wear trade-offs with the EBCs...plus, they will likely last longer and are far less costly than Honda OEM. I have no regrets re: my decision to go with EBC replacement pads for my '99.

Andy
Andrew Bertsch
'99VFR800FI/Sargent
Cogito Ergo Zoom
Sidney, Ohio
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Okee Doke, Vic...but that's more than twice the price I paid for my EBC
pads. Still, if you're happy, that's what really matters.

Andrew Bertsch
'99VFR800FI/Sargent
Cogito Ergo Zoom
Sidney, Ohio
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-----Original Message-----
From: vic5491@xxxxxx [mailto:vic5491@xxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:54 PM
To: Andrew Bertsch
Cc: VFR Mailing List
Subject: Re: Brake pads


Andy and everyone else who posted re DP HH and EBC HH pads, thanks! I got
up this morning, called my local dealer and they had the OEM pads in stock.
I just took a deep breath and paid $115 including tax for a full set of
pads. I first pulled the rear wheel and when I looked more closely, the
rear still had what I guess to be 10K left (if you follow the guideline
about wearing them down to next to nothing before changing). I decided to
wait on the rears until after this trip since time is tight for me right
now. I installed the new fronts and all is well.

I did have something happen that I was surprised by. When I pulled the
right front pads, a small metal clip my manual calls the "pad retainer clip"
fell out. I figured out where it went and what it did and all is fine now
but have others had this small clip fall out as well? Seems kinda odd to
have parts falling out like that. Most clips and pad springs stay put when
you are just changing pads.

Vic

Andrew Bertsch wrote:

Vic ~

I've been running the EBC HH pads for about 8,000 miles now, and haven't
noticed any acceleration in rotor wear with just a bit more stopping power.
My guess is that unless you're an aggressive sport rider who often brakes
aggressively as well, you won't suffer any rotor-wear trade-offs with the
EBCs...plus, they will likely last longer and are far less costly than Honda
OEM. I have no regrets re: my decision to go with EBC replacement pads for
my '99.


Andy

Andrew Bertsch
'99VFR800FI/Sargent
Cogito Ergo Zoom
Sidney, Ohio
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That is right. We all make our own choices and what is "right" for you is not necessarily "right" for me. I needed the pads, favor OEM for a host of reasons and the dealer had the pads in stock which made it possible for me to do the work today. To get EBC, I would have had to order them and I'd be putting them in the night before I left, assuming that I even got them in time. Had they not come in as promised, my whole trip could have been compromised. The choice I made was the right choice for me and I am happy.

Vic


Andrew Bertsch wrote:
Okee Doke, Vic...but that's more than twice the price I paid for my EBC pads. Still, if you're happy, that's what really matters.

Andrew Bertsch
'99VFR800FI/Sargent
Cogito Ergo Zoom
Sidney, Ohio
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-----Original Message-----
From: vic5491@xxxxxx [mailto:vic5491@xxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:54 PM
To: Andrew Bertsch
Cc: VFR Mailing List
Subject: Re: Brake pads


Andy and everyone else who posted re DP HH and EBC HH pads, thanks! I got up this morning, called my local dealer and they had the OEM pads in stock. I just took a deep breath and paid $115 including tax for a full set of pads. I first pulled the rear wheel and when I looked more closely, the rear still had what I guess to be 10K left (if you follow the guideline about wearing them down to next to nothing before changing). I decided to wait on the rears until after this trip since time is tight for me right now. I installed the new fronts and all is well.

I did have something happen that I was surprised by. When I pulled the right front pads, a small metal clip my manual calls the "pad retainer clip" fell out. I figured out where it went and what it did and all is fine now but have others had this small clip fall out as well? Seems kinda odd to have parts falling out like that. Most clips and pad springs stay put when you are just changing pads.

Vic

Andrew Bertsch wrote:
Vic ~

I've been running the EBC HH pads for about 8,000 miles now, and haven't noticed any acceleration in rotor wear with just a bit more stopping power. My guess is that unless you're an aggressive sport rider who often brakes aggressively as well, you won't suffer any rotor-wear trade-offs with the EBCs...plus, they will likely last longer and are far less costly than Honda OEM. I have no regrets re: my decision to go with EBC replacement pads for my '99.

Andy
Andrew Bertsch
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Cogito Ergo Zoom
Sidney, Ohio
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I get around this issue by simply not braking.

Mark
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That is right. We all make our own choices and what is "right" for you
is not necessarily "right" for me. I needed the pads, favor OEM for a
host of reasons and the dealer had the pads in stock which made it
possible for me to do the work today. To get EBC, I would have had to
order them and I'd be putting them in the night before I left, assuming
that I even got them in time. Had they not come in as promised, my
whole trip could have been compromised. The choice I made was the right
choice for me and I am happy.

Vic


Andrew Bertsch wrote:

Okee Doke, Vic...but that's more than twice the price I paid for
my EBC pads. Still, if you're happy, that's what really matters.


Andrew Bertsch
'99VFR800FI/Sargent
Cogito Ergo Zoom
Sidney, Ohio
abertsch1@xxxxxx


-----Original Message-----
From: vic5491@xxxxxx [mailto:vic5491@xxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:54 PM
To: Andrew Bertsch
Cc: VFR Mailing List
Subject: Re: Brake pads


Andy and everyone else who posted re DP HH and EBC HH
pads, thanks! I got up this morning, called my local dealer and they
had the OEM pads in stock. I just took a deep breath and paid $115
including tax for a full set of pads. I first pulled the rear wheel and
when I looked more closely, the rear still had what I guess to be 10K
left (if you follow the guideline about wearing them down to next to
nothing before changing). I decided to wait on the rears until after
this trip since time is tight for me right now. I installed the new
fronts and all is well.

I did have something happen that I was surprised by.
When I pulled the right front pads, a small metal clip my manual calls
the "pad retainer clip" fell out. I figured out where it went and what
it did and all is fine now but have others had this small clip fall out
as well? Seems kinda odd to have parts falling out like that. Most
clips and pad springs stay put when you are just changing pads.

Vic

Andrew Bertsch wrote:

Vic ~

I've been running the EBC HH pads for about
8,000 miles now, and haven't noticed any acceleration in rotor wear with
just a bit more stopping power. My guess is that unless you're an
aggressive sport rider who often brakes aggressively as well, you won't
suffer any rotor-wear trade-offs with the EBCs...plus, they will likely
last longer and are far less costly than Honda OEM. I have no regrets
re: my decision to go with EBC replacement pads for my '99.


Andy

Andrew Bertsch
'99VFR800FI/Sargent
Cogito Ergo Zoom
Sidney, Ohio
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Denny likes the OEM pads (I'm pretty sure). I have put EBC HH pads on all of my bikes over the years (two Honda and one Suzuki) and have had no problems with rotors over about 70K+ miles on the bikes.  
 
Just another anecdotal data point for your records...YMMV...literally. 

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I've used both OEM and aftermarket. I ran EBC Kevlar pads on my Hawk GT at
the track and they seemed fine. Although the little bird only goes 115 and
really engine brakes well! So I really didn't stress the EBC's very much on
that bike. I've run EBC HH and liked them on my 5th gen. When they needed
replacing I stumbled on a set of stock OEM pads for sale on this list and
snapped them up. I don't go fast enough to even worry about brakes or brake
pads. The concept of brakes, in general is overrated!!!!!! LOL



Denny



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Matthew Roth
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 12:48 PM
To: vfr
Subject: RE: Brake Pads




Denny likes the OEM pads (I'm pretty sure). I have put EBC HH pads on all of
my bikes over the years (two Honda and one Suzuki) and have had no problems
with rotors over about 70K+ miles on the bikes.



Just another anecdotal data point for your records...YMMV...literally.

Matt




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