RE: Need some clutch help 95 VFR

I am refering to when the I am on the bike and not on the center stand, I
can feel the clutch engaging and disengaging a bit but not enough to stop
the rear wheel from rotating. As I said I replaced my clutch and springs
with EBC kevlar plates, I thought that kevlar and synth oil might have a
problem working together or something, I triple checked everything. I was
wondering if there is some adjustment that I need to do? Maybe I need to go
back and check the springs and check the tension on them, I hate to do that
because I am pretty sure that I am going to ruin my new gasket that I put on
the side cover.

Any other ideas?

Darrin


>From: "Dutch Viffer"
>To: "'Darrin Blackman'" ,
>Subject: RE: Need some clutch help 95 VFR
>Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:40:04 +0100
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> > meaning when I go from neutral to first with the clutch
> > pulled in the wheel rotates. I know that I need to seat the
>
>There is always some drag in the clutch that makes the wheel turn if
>it's off the ground. Just as long as it doesn't pull when you are
>standing still, you're fine.
>
>Gijs
>
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Did you let the new clutch plates soak in oil prior to installing them?





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Do you mean the clutch is fully disengaged by pulling in the lever just the
smallest amount?

-Chris

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Sent: Sat 2/25/2006 3:54 PM
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Subject: RE: Need some clutch help 95 VFR



Ok I just went around the block again and here is what I can tell you, the
clutch does not fully engage, and is fully disengaged just by letting out on
the lever just the smallest amount. So I am wondering if there is some
adjustment that I am not familar with. I know that there is an adjustment
on the lever but I am not sure that will do anything other than move the
position of the lever in and out. Any help???

Darrin


>From: "Darrin Blackman"
>To: vfr@xxxxxx
>Subject: RE: Need some clutch help 95 VFR
>Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:37:01 +0000
>
>I am refering to when the I am on the bike and not on the center stand, I
>can feel the clutch engaging and disengaging a bit but not enough to stop
>the rear wheel from rotating. As I said I replaced my clutch and springs
>with EBC kevlar plates, I thought that kevlar and synth oil might have a
>problem working together or something, I triple checked everything. I was
>wondering if there is some adjustment that I need to do? Maybe I need to
>go
>back and check the springs and check the tension on them, I hate to do that
>because I am pretty sure that I am going to ruin my new gasket that I put
>on
>the side cover.
>
>Any other ideas?
>
>Darrin
>
>
> >From: "Dutch Viffer"
> >To: "'Darrin Blackman'" ,
> >Subject: RE: Need some clutch help 95 VFR
> >Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:40:04 +0100
> >
> >
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> > > meaning when I go from neutral to first with the clutch
> > > pulled in the wheel rotates. I know that I need to seat the
> >
> >There is always some drag in the clutch that makes the wheel turn if
> >it's off the ground. Just as long as it doesn't pull when you are
> >standing still, you're fine.
> >
> >Gijs
> >
> >afterburn crashdot com
> >http://www.vfr750.com
> >http://www.crashdot.com
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Ok, please forgive me I am speaking backwards. I cannot fully disengage the
clutch by pulling in the lever and when I start to release the lever just a
tiny bit the clutch is fully engaged, this is all with the bike on the
ground. I think.....THINK....that I tightened the spring bolts too much.
Does that sound like that might be the cause of this??? Once again, my
brain is fried sorry about speaking backward clutch speak.

Darrin


>From: "Chris Burgess"
>To: "Darrin Blackman" ,
>Subject: RE: Need some clutch help 95 VFR
>Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:50:53 -0800
>
>Do you mean the clutch is fully disengaged by pulling in the lever just the
>smallest amount?
>
>-Chris
>
>________________________________
>
>From: vfr-bounces@xxxxxx on behalf of Darrin Blackman
>Sent: Sat 2/25/2006 3:54 PM
>To: vfr@xxxxxx
>Subject: RE: Need some clutch help 95 VFR
>
>
>
>Ok I just went around the block again and here is what I can tell you, the
>clutch does not fully engage, and is fully disengaged just by letting out
>on
>the lever just the smallest amount. So I am wondering if there is some
>adjustment that I am not familar with. I know that there is an adjustment
>on the lever but I am not sure that will do anything other than move the
>position of the lever in and out. Any help???
>
>Darrin
>
>
> >From: "Darrin Blackman"
> >To: vfr@xxxxxx
> >Subject: RE: Need some clutch help 95 VFR
> >Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:37:01 +0000
> >
> >I am refering to when the I am on the bike and not on the center stand, I
> >can feel the clutch engaging and disengaging a bit but not enough to stop
> >the rear wheel from rotating. As I said I replaced my clutch and springs
> >with EBC kevlar plates, I thought that kevlar and synth oil might have a
> >problem working together or something, I triple checked everything. I
>was
> >wondering if there is some adjustment that I need to do? Maybe I need to
> >go
> >back and check the springs and check the tension on them, I hate to do
>that
> >because I am pretty sure that I am going to ruin my new gasket that I put
> >on
> >the side cover.
> >
> >Any other ideas?
> >
> >Darrin
> >
> >
> > >From: "Dutch Viffer"
> > >To: "'Darrin Blackman'" ,
> > >Subject: RE: Need some clutch help 95 VFR
> > >Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:40:04 +0100
> > >
> > >
> > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> > > > meaning when I go from neutral to first with the clutch
> > > > pulled in the wheel rotates. I know that I need to seat the
> > >
> > >There is always some drag in the clutch that makes the wheel turn if
> > >it's off the ground. Just as long as it doesn't pull when you are
> > >standing still, you're fine.
> > >
> > >Gijs
> > >
> > >afterburn crashdot com
> > >http://www.vfr750.com
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Sounds like what happens when the single ball that fits on the end of the
clutch pushrod (inside the tranny shaft) falls out when the clutch is being
serviced. Not sure if your bike is supposed to have one of these little
bearings, but if so...and if it is missing, you might get symptoms similar
to what you describe.
???
I also think that you are saying disengage when you mean engage and you are
saying engage when you mean disengage. The clutch is engaged when the lever
is out and you are riding, it is disengaged when the lever is pulled in to
the grip. I think you mean that it will not disengage the tranny from the
engine .... and it is fully engaged as soon as you start releasing the
lever.

Again, if I understand you, this may be caused by a missing ball in the
clutch pushrod assembly. It could also be due to air in the hydraulic
system. Pumping the lever may not get it all, you need a vacuum or pressure
bleeder to get all the air out.

One other thing...any possibility that you installed one too many plates or
installed the plates out of sequence? Stranger things have happened...

Hope that helps,
John Harrison
Birmingham


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From: "Darrin Blackman"
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Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:54 PM
Subject: RE: Need some clutch help 95 VFR


> Ok I just went around the block again and here is what I can tell you, the
> clutch does not fully engage, and is fully disengaged just by letting out
> on
> the lever just the smallest amount. So I am wondering if there is some
> adjustment that I am not familar with. I know that there is an adjustment
> on the lever but I am not sure that will do anything other than move the
> position of the lever in and out. Any help???
>
> Darrin
>

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Hi Darrin
I think tightening the spring bolts too much could be the problem. But
I also recall something about the plates have to be installed with the correct
side facing the same direction, did you do that?

Cheers,
Bob
Saturday, February 25, 2006, 7:36:40 PM, you wrote:
> Ok, please forgive me I am speaking backwards. I cannot fully disengage the
> clutch by pulling in the lever and when I start to release the lever just a
> tiny bit the clutch is fully engaged, this is all with the bike on the
> ground. I think.....THINK....that I tightened the spring bolts too much.
> Does that sound like that might be the cause of this??? Once again, my
> brain is fried sorry about speaking backward clutch speak.

> Darrin


>>From: "Chris Burgess"
>>To: "Darrin Blackman" ,
>>Subject: RE: Need some clutch help 95 VFR
>>Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:50:53 -0800
>>
>>Do you mean the clutch is fully disengaged by pulling in the lever just the
>>smallest amount?
>>
>>-Chris
>>
>>________________________________
>>
>>From: vfr-bounces@xxxxxx on behalf of Darrin Blackman
>>Sent: Sat 2/25/2006 3:54 PM
>>To: vfr@xxxxxx
>>Subject: RE: Need some clutch help 95 VFR
>>
>>
>>
>>Ok I just went around the block again and here is what I can tell you, the
>>clutch does not fully engage, and is fully disengaged just by letting out
>>on
>>the lever just the smallest amount. So I am wondering if there is some
>>adjustment that I am not familar with. I know that there is an adjustment
>>on the lever but I am not sure that will do anything other than move the
>>position of the lever in and out. Any help???
>>
>>Darrin
>>
>>
>> >From: "Darrin Blackman"
>> >To: vfr@xxxxxx
>> >Subject: RE: Need some clutch help 95 VFR
>> >Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:37:01 +0000
>> >
>> >I am refering to when the I am on the bike and not on the center stand, I
>> >can feel the clutch engaging and disengaging a bit but not enough to stop
>> >the rear wheel from rotating. As I said I replaced my clutch and springs
>> >with EBC kevlar plates, I thought that kevlar and synth oil might have a
>> >problem working together or something, I triple checked everything. I
>>was
>> >wondering if there is some adjustment that I need to do? Maybe I need to
>> >go
>> >back and check the springs and check the tension on them, I hate to do
>>that
>> >because I am pretty sure that I am going to ruin my new gasket that I put
>> >on
>> >the side cover.
>> >
>> >Any other ideas?
>> >
>> >Darrin
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: "Dutch Viffer"
>> > >To: "'Darrin Blackman'" ,
>> > >Subject: RE: Need some clutch help 95 VFR
>> > >Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:40:04 +0100
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> > >Hash: SHA1
>> > >
>> > > > meaning when I go from neutral to first with the clutch
>> > > > pulled in the wheel rotates. I know that I need to seat the
>> > >
>> > >There is always some drag in the clutch that makes the wheel turn if
>> > >it's off the ground. Just as long as it doesn't pull when you are
>> > >standing still, you're fine.
>> > >
>> > >Gijs
>> > >
>> > >afterburn crashdot com
>> > >http://www.vfr750.com
>> > >http://www.crashdot.com
>> > >ICQ: 187800
>> > >FJR1300A
>> > > _____
>> > >
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>> > >knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom."
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Hey guys,

When I went for the Barnett plates and springs, I also went for new metal
plates. Clutch installation went fine. It was slipping bad before the change
(60,000 miles) and I figured I'd change everything. the Barnett clutch
slipped lightly for the next 100 miles, and it's been fine ever since. I
don't actually notice much difference in the lever. The "clutch engagement"
range is certainly long enough. Could the new metal plates help with proper
clutch operation ???!?
Also, my VFR is a '98, so clutch may not be same as a '95 ....

Olivier
'98VFR800 Yellow

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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:30:07 -0600
> From: Bob Chappuis
> Subject: Re: Need some clutch help 95 VFR
> To: "Darrin Blackman"
> Cc: vfr@xxxxxx
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> Hi Darrin
> I think tightening the spring bolts too much could be the problem. But
> I also recall something about the plates have to be installed with the
> correct
> side facing the same direction, did you do that?
>
> Cheers,
> Bob
> Saturday, February 25, 2006, 7:36:40 PM, you wrote:
>> Ok, please forgive me I am speaking backwards. I cannot fully disengage
>> the
>> clutch by pulling in the lever and when I start to release the lever just
>> a
>> tiny bit the clutch is fully engaged, this is all with the bike on the
>> ground. I think.....THINK....that I tightened the spring bolts too much.
>> Does that sound like that might be the cause of this??? Once again, my
>> brain is fried sorry about speaking backward clutch speak.
>
>> Darrin
>
>
>>>From: "Chris Burgess"
>>>To: "Darrin Blackman" ,
>>>Subject: RE: Need some clutch help 95 VFR
>>>Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:50:53 -0800
>>>
>>>Do you mean the clutch is fully disengaged by pulling in the lever just
>>>the
>>>smallest amount?
>>>
>>>-Chris
>>>
>>>________________________________

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On 2/28/06, Olivier wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> When I went for the Barnett plates and springs, I also went for new metal
> plates. Clutch installation went fine. It was slipping bad before the
> change
> (60,000 miles) and I figured I'd change everything.



My 98 is about to turn over 90,000 miles.
Original clutch.
Should I be planning on a new clutch sometime soon?

John in Calif

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I missed the start of this thread, but would suggest that the hydraulic
side of things is worth checking out given the symptoms.

Start by pulling the slave cylinder off and ensuring that it is retracting
fully into the bore; if it's not, the clutch will slip.

Pump it out carefully with the lever and see if it sticks before getting to
full travel (watch you don't push it right out of the bore); if it sticks,
then it's not completely disengaging the clutch, and you'll get the symptoms
described (very early take-up, bike trying to move when stationary in
gear with
clutch in).

Slave cylinder rebuild kits are available from Honda dealers, but just pulling
the piston, cleaning the bore and reassembling with fresh fluid top to bottom
should be enough to get you by (it's not as critical as brakes, which do need
proper overhauling).

Also ensure that the actuating rod that goes through the motor from slave cyl
to clutch is moving freely; clean and re-grease is recommended.

A VFRd member recommends a cable-clutch conversion for the 4th Gen, which I am
quite intrigued by...

Regards
Murray
Sydney
1994 VFR750 project
with Barnett clutch and fixed sticky slave cylinder
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John Alexander wrote:
>
>
> On 2/28/06, *Olivier* > wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> When I went for the Barnett plates and springs, I also went for
> new metal
> plates. Clutch installation went fine. It was slipping bad before
> the change
> (60,000 miles) and I figured I'd change everything.
>
>
>
> My 98 is about to turn over 90,000 miles.
> Original clutch.
> Should I be planning on a new clutch sometime soon?
>
> John in Calif
>
>
Probably. When I did mine at around 78,000 miles, there was plenty of
material left on the friction plates, it had just hardened with age
causing the clutch to slip. I've still got them. They are completely
black and very hard compared to a new set. I don't think you have to
worry about the clutch leaving you anywhere. Just pay attention to your
rpms when you are hard on the thottle to see if you notice any
slippage. I replaced mine when it started slipping under heavy throttle
above 7000 rpms. It was a couple of weeks to locate and get the parts
shipped as I went with a Barnette kevlar clutch kit rather than the
stock honda parts. But by the time the parts arrived, it would
completely break away above 7000 rpms with any significant throttle.
But by my recollection it had been slipping for 3-4 months at that
point. Knowing how much you ride the VFR, I'd be proactive and order
the parts so you can replace them before it becomes a problem and plan
the downtime rather than have it forced.

BTW, the cheapest route is to just replace the friction discs as the
steels are generally fine unless you cooked the clutch doing drag race
launches. The only other thing you need to replace is the judder
spring, it's shim and the clutch springs. The judder spring will be
weak and need to be replaced otherwise you will end up with the clutch
discs bouncing on initial engagement resulting in a juddering action as
the plates grab and release due to the bouncing. Replacing the 6 main
springs is needed because they have become noticably shorter and weaker
as a result of their time in compression.

Chris Stumpf


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Thanks Chris. Wouldn't want to leave Olivier stranded this July.

John

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> Thanks Chris. Wouldn't want to leave Olivier stranded this July.
>
> John

You guys worry too much. If it starts slipping there is plenty time
to start planning and ordering parts before it becomes unrideable.
Instead of worrying what might wear out next, how about riding the
damn thing? :) If I started getting my pants in a knot about what
might happen when, I'd never get anywhere. Bikes aren't made of sugar
and they don't need to be treated as such.

Gijs.

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On 3/1/06, Dutch Viffer wrote:
>
>
> > Thanks Chris. Wouldn't want to leave Olivier stranded this July.
> >
> > John
>
> You guys worry too much. If it starts slipping there is plenty time
> to start planning and ordering parts before it becomes unrideable.
> Instead of worrying what might wear out next, how about riding the
> damn thing? :) If I started getting my pants in a knot about what
> might happen when, I'd never get anywhere. Bikes aren't made of sugar
> and they don't need to be treated as such.



Gijs, what do you know? You ride like my mother!

Besides, it's not like there isn't a spare in the garage!

Hey, BTW, I must be turning Dutch. Found a screw in the VFR's rear tire that
was going to be replaced this Saturday but I went ahead and plugged it
anyway to get 3 more days of riding out of it!

John - still lubing my chain boss. ;-)

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John Alexander wrote:
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> John - still lubing my chain boss. ;-)
>

Gee, I'm not sure if that comment is worksafe. ;-)

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> Gijs, what do you know? You ride like my mother!
>
> Besides, it's not like there isn't a spare in the garage!
>
> Hey, BTW, I must be turning Dutch. Found a screw in the VFR's
> rear tire that was going to be replaced this Saturday but I
> went ahead and plugged it anyway to get 3 more days of riding
> out of it!
>
> John - still lubing my chain boss. ;-)

Yeah yeah yeah, try to keeping up this June will ya? ;)

Gijs - still laughing

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