VFR fuel economy - general comment

Who established that? I ride with several pre-F.I. models and at gas stops we noted virtually identical fuel consumption rates against my 02. Considering the pre-F.I models are 750 and weigh less they *should* be better fuel economy but that hasn't been our experience.

Paul Kolbo
02 VTEC
94 ST1100

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>From: Oil Guy
>Sent: May 3, 2006 8:06 AM
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>Subject: VFR fuel economy - general comment
>
>It has been fairly well established that the f.i. series of VFRs don't do as
>well as the older models, i.e. poorer fuel economy. While there are always
>exceptions, the f.i. models generally get 5 or 6 mpg poorer fuel economy
>under similar riding conditions.

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Who established that? I ride with several pre-F.I. models and at gas stops we noted virtually identical fuel consumption rates against my 02. Considering the pre-F.I models are 750 and weigh less they *should* be better fuel economy but that hasn't been our experience.

Paul Kolbo
02 VTEC
94 ST1100

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>From: Oil Guy
>Sent: May 3, 2006 8:06 AM
>To: VFR list
>Subject: VFR fuel economy - general comment
>
>It has been fairly well established that the f.i. series of VFRs don't do as
>well as the older models, i.e. poorer fuel economy. While there are always
>exceptions, the f.i. models generally get 5 or 6 mpg poorer fuel economy
>under similar riding conditions.

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LOL! Oh, the manufacturer? I didn't realize their ratings were actually accurate.
:>)

Paul

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>From: Brad Berson
>Sent: May 3, 2006 10:04 AM
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>Subject: RE: VFR fuel economy - general comment
>
>> Who established that?
>
>Eh, Honda did. Check the published MPG ratings. Similarly, check the
>results the magazines got.
>
>Of course, this sounds like the ultimate case of, ahem, YMMV.
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Then I'll conclude that my 02 is getting better than average at 43 mpg. That probably is due to my careful use of the throttle. I am, by no means, wimpy off the line though. :>) I guess the point I was making, if any, is those "established" results are not all encompassing. I certainly won't complain about it though. :>)

Paul Kolbo


-----Original Message-----
>From: Rudy Fierros
>Sent: May 3, 2006 11:48 AM
>To: Paul Kolbo , vfr@xxxxxx
>Subject: Re: VFR fuel economy - general comment
>
>
> Paul,
>
> There have been numerous mileage threads and the
>results have established that the pre F.I. models do
>get better mileage. I know my 750 gets around 45-50
>MPG. I have two buddies one had a 98 VFR and the other
>has a 2001 VFR - both were under 40 MPG - something
>like 35-40 - looking for gas at around 160-170 mark,
>and taking 4-5 gallons to fill up.
>
> Oh, one more thing - the pre FI models weigh more
>than the FI models...at least the 98-2001 models. I
>believe the vtec's picked up a few pounds, but still
>weigh less...
>
> Rudy
>
>--- Paul Kolbo wrote:
>
>> Who established that? I ride with several pre-F.I.
>> models and at gas stops we noted virtually identical
>> fuel consumption rates against my 02. Considering
>> the pre-F.I models are 750 and weigh less they
>> *should* be better fuel economy but that hasn't been
>> our experience.
>>
>> Paul Kolbo
>> 02 VTEC
>> 94 ST1100
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Oil Guy
>> >Sent: May 3, 2006 8:06 AM
>> >To: VFR list
>> >Subject: VFR fuel economy - general comment
>> >
>> >It has been fairly well established that the f.i.
>> series of VFRs don't do as
>> >well as the older models, i.e. poorer fuel economy.
>> While there are always
>> >exceptions, the f.i. models generally get 5 or 6
>> mpg poorer fuel economy
>> >under similar riding conditions.
>>
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It has been fairly well established that the f.i. series of VFRs don't do as
well as the older models, i.e. poorer fuel economy. While there are always
exceptions, the f.i. models generally get 5 or 6 mpg poorer fuel economy
under similar riding conditions.

With today's oxygenated fuels, typically containing ethyl alcohol, you can
expect even poorer fuel economy. The alcohol simply does not have the
energy content of hydrocarbons.

And lastly, because the VFR is so aerodynamic, fuel economy doesn't suffer
too much from increased speed. One year (1996) on my 94 VFR750, I was
making about 48 mpg in general freeway riding of 60 to 65 mph, and at the
end of that trip did a late night blitz, 200+ miles at 85 to 100 mph, and
the fuel economy fell all the way to 45 mpg!!

Mike G in Houston


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> Who established that?

Eh, Honda did. Check the published MPG ratings. Similarly, check the
results the magazines got.

Of course, this sounds like the ultimate case of, ahem, YMMV.



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Paul,

There have been numerous mileage threads and the
results have established that the pre F.I. models do
get better mileage. I know my 750 gets around 45-50
MPG. I have two buddies one had a 98 VFR and the other
has a 2001 VFR - both were under 40 MPG - something
like 35-40 - looking for gas at around 160-170 mark,
and taking 4-5 gallons to fill up.

Oh, one more thing - the pre FI models weigh more
than the FI models...at least the 98-2001 models. I
believe the vtec's picked up a few pounds, but still
weigh less...

Rudy

--- Paul Kolbo wrote:

> Who established that? I ride with several pre-F.I.
> models and at gas stops we noted virtually identical
> fuel consumption rates against my 02. Considering
> the pre-F.I models are 750 and weigh less they
> *should* be better fuel economy but that hasn't been
> our experience.
>
> Paul Kolbo
> 02 VTEC
> 94 ST1100
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Oil Guy
> >Sent: May 3, 2006 8:06 AM
> >To: VFR list
> >Subject: VFR fuel economy - general comment
> >
> >It has been fairly well established that the f.i.
> series of VFRs don't do as
> >well as the older models, i.e. poorer fuel economy.
> While there are always
> >exceptions, the f.i. models generally get 5 or 6
> mpg poorer fuel economy
> >under similar riding conditions.
>
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Rudy Fierros wrote:

>
>
>
> Oh, one more thing - the pre FI models weigh more
>than the FI models...at least the 98-2001 models. I
>believe the vtec's picked up a few pounds, but still
>weigh less...
>
> Rudy
>
>
>
>
>
>
My '98 seems to weigh less than my '86 although I know it isn't so.
There must be 25-30 pounds of hoses alone that the '86 doesn't have and
that isn't including the extra 10 pounds of brake lines running to
France and back via the Black Sea. Add in an extra 10 pounds of black
plastic inner fairing filler pieces and I can't believe the
single-sided swingarm can have shed that much to make up for it.

Getting the radiator out to the sides must more than make up for the
ground lost when they went up to the 17" wheel from that excite-o-matic
16" minibike unit that the '86 had. The newer bike feels more
centered, low to the ground, and more lithe than the '86 by an order of
magnitude. Good job Honda. -or maybe it is just the radial rubber...
I'd like to ride a current-production bike and see how that differs from
the '98 someday.

Jim
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I should have known better - one can't be the least
bit general on this list! ;) I was referring to the
1990 and later models...

1990 - 475 lbs dry weight
1994 - 467 lbs. dry wright
1998 - 458 lbs dry weight
2002-2005 - approx 470 lbs (non abs)
480 lbs (abs)


--- firefly wrote:

> Rudy Fierros wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh, one more thing - the pre FI models weigh
> more
> >than the FI models...at least the 98-2001 models. I
> >believe the vtec's picked up a few pounds, but
> still
> >weigh less...
> >
> > Rudy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> My '98 seems to weigh less than my '86 although I
> know it isn't so.
> There must be 25-30 pounds of hoses alone that the
> '86 doesn't have and
> that isn't including the extra 10 pounds of brake
> lines running to
> France and back via the Black Sea. Add in an extra
> 10 pounds of black
> plastic inner fairing filler pieces and I can't
> believe the
> single-sided swingarm can have shed that much to
> make up for it.
>
> Getting the radiator out to the sides must more than
> make up for the
> ground lost when they went up to the 17" wheel from
> that excite-o-matic
> 16" minibike unit that the '86 had. The newer
> bike feels more
> centered, low to the ground, and more lithe than the
> '86 by an order of
> magnitude. Good job Honda. -or maybe it is just
> the radial rubber...
> I'd like to ride a current-production bike and see
> how that differs from
> the '98 someday.
>
> Jim
>


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Mike observes that:
> ...the f.i. models generally get 5 or 6 mpg poorer fuel economy [than VFR750s]

Hiya Mike,
You've always amazed me with just how much further your 3rd gen VFR can go on a gallon of gas - US measure of course. Over 70K miles I averaged 39mpg on my '91 & '92 VFR750s, and virtually the same mileage after another 72K miles on my '98 & '99 VFR800s. Maybe I shoulda bought a '94-'97 VFR after all ;-P
Fyi, on a trip through the soutwest states a few years back, my '99 VFR consistently consumed ~10% more fuel than my friend's ST1100 - certainly a bigger, heavier bike.

Lorne,
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Mike observes that:
> ...the f.i. models generally get 5 or 6 mpg poorer fuel economy [than VFR750s]

Hiya Mike,
You've always amazed me with just how much further your 3rd gen VFR can go on a gallon of gas - US measure of course. Over 70K miles I averaged 39mpg on my '91 & '92 VFR750s, and virtually the same mileage after another 72K miles on my '98 & '99 VFR800s. Maybe I shoulda bought a '94-'97 VFR after all ;-P
Fyi, on a trip through the soutwest states a few years back, my '99 VFR consistently consumed ~10% more fuel than my friend's ST1100 - certainly a bigger, heavier bike.

Lorne,
Victoria, BC

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Mike observes that:
> ...the f.i. models generally get 5 or 6 mpg poorer fuel economy [than VFR750s]

Hiya Mike,
You've always amazed me with just how much further your 3rd gen VFR can go on a gallon of gas - US measure of course. Over 70K miles I averaged 39mpg on my '91 & '92 VFR750s, and virtually the same mileage after another 72K miles on my '98 & '99 VFR800s. Maybe I shoulda bought a '94-'97 VFR after all ;-P
Fyi, on a trip through the soutwest states a few years back, my '99 VFR consistently consumed ~10% more fuel than my friend's ST1100 - certainly a bigger, heavier bike.

Lorne,
Victoria, BC

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Mike observes that:
> ...the f.i. models generally get 5 or 6 mpg poorer fuel economy [than VFR750s]

Hiya Mike,
You've always amazed me with just how much further your 3rd gen VFR can go on a gallon of gas - US measure of course. Over 70K miles I averaged 39mpg on my '91 & '92 VFR750s, and virtually the same mileage after another 72K miles on my '98 & '99 VFR800s. Maybe I shoulda bought a '94-'97 VFR after all ;-P
Fyi, on a trip through the soutwest states a few years back, my '99 VFR consistently consumed ~10% more fuel than my friend's ST1100 - certainly a bigger, heavier bike.

Lorne,
Victoria, BC

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Mike observes that:
> ...the f.i. models generally get 5 or 6 mpg poorer fuel economy [than VFR750s]

Hiya Mike,
You've always amazed me with just how much further your 3rd gen VFR can go on a gallon of gas - US measure of course. Over 70K miles I averaged 39mpg on my '91 & '92 VFR750s, and virtually the same mileage after another 72K miles on my '98 & '99 VFR800s. Maybe I shoulda bought a '94-'97 VFR after all ;-P
Fyi, on a trip through the soutwest states a few years back, my '99 VFR consistently consumed ~10% more fuel than my friend's ST1100 - certainly a bigger, heavier bike.

Lorne,
Victoria, BC

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Hi Lorne
I tour regularly with two ST1300s and an FJR1300. They all get 6 to
10 more mpg than my 99 VFR. I figure it must be the gearing.

Cheers,
Bob
Friday, May 5, 2006, 9:27:20 PM, you wrote:
> Mike observes that:
>> ...the f.i. models generally get 5 or 6 mpg poorer fuel economy [than VFR750s]

> Hiya Mike,
> You've always amazed me with just how much further your 3rd gen VFR can go on a gallon of gas - US measure of course. Over 70K miles I averaged 39mpg on my '91 & '92 VFR750s, and virtually the
> same mileage after another 72K miles on my '98 & '99 VFR800s. Maybe I shoulda bought a '94-'97 VFR after all ;-P
> Fyi, on a trip through the soutwest states a few years back, my '99 VFR consistently consumed ~10% more fuel than my friend's ST1100 - certainly a bigger, heavier bike.

> Lorne,
> Victoria, BC

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On 5/5/06, Lorne wrote:
> Mike observes that:
> > ...the f.i. models generally get 5 or 6 mpg poorer fuel economy [than VFR750s]
>
> Hiya Mike,
> You've always amazed me with just how much further your 3rd gen VFR can go on a gallon of gas - US measure of course. Over 70K miles I averaged 39mpg on my '91 & '92 VFR750s, and virtually the same mileage after another 72K miles on my '98 & '99 VFR800s. Maybe I shoulda bought a '94-'97 VFR after all ;-P
> Fyi, on a trip through the soutwest states a few years back, my '99 VFR consistently consumed ~10% more fuel than my friend's ST1100 - certainly a bigger, heavier bike.
>
> Lorne,
> Victoria, BC
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I generally get 38-39 MPG with my '97 VFR... slower riding (which is
rare) has netted 40 MPG once or twice.
--
Bill in Nashville
'97 VFR

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I don't know what you guys are using for fuel or how your bikes are tuned
but I regularly get high 40 mpg mileage out of my '99. The bike isn't quite
stock either. TBR full system, high mount carbon can. PC II mapped on a
dyno. K&N filter. Yellow Box and 16T front 45T rear sprockets. Compared
to a stock geared VFR of the same vintage I'm turning around 500 rpm faster
at 60 mph. The other thing is that I don't baby it I ride it harder than
most. There are listers that will verify that fact. Today I did a sort of
fun run of about 138 miles and change. My fuel mileage was over 47 mpg.
47.865 to be exact.

Denny

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Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 10:27 PM
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Mike observes that:
> ...the f.i. models generally get 5 or 6 mpg poorer fuel economy [than
VFR750s]

Hiya Mike,
You've always amazed me with just how much further your 3rd gen VFR can go
on a gallon of gas - US measure of course. Over 70K miles I averaged 39mpg
on my '91 & '92 VFR750s, and virtually the same mileage after another 72K
miles on my '98 & '99 VFR800s. Maybe I shoulda bought a '94-'97 VFR after
all ;-P
Fyi, on a trip through the soutwest states a few years back, my '99 VFR
consistently consumed ~10% more fuel than my friend's ST1100 - certainly a
bigger, heavier bike.

Lorne,
Victoria, BC

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On 5/7/06, Denny Fair wrote:
>
> I don't know what you guys are using for fuel or how your bikes are tuned
> but I regularly get high 40 mpg mileage out of my '99.
> My fuel mileage was over 47 mpg.
> 47.865 to be exact.



Curiously, my Aprilia RSV-R gets 25% better mileage than the VFR. And has
25% more HP! AND I ride it a lot harder. Go figure. %+)

John in Calif

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Of course, one thing no one's mentioned is rider weight- I'm a pretty
big boy- about 275#- which I'm sure doesn't help my gas mileage... ;)

On 5/6/06, Oil Guy wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Burnette"
> >
> > I generally get 38-39 MPG with my '97 VFR... slower riding (which is
> > rare) has netted 40 MPG once or twice.
> > --
> > Bill in Nashville
> > '97 VFR
> >
> *** Bill, a few of that generation perform as yours does, not sure why, but
> the "median" was about 42 in the survey I did last year, and most 94-97 VFRs
> get 45 to 50 in conservative highway speed riding. I got over 50 one time
> in the Colorado mountains, and I wasn't going slow!! Mike
>
>
>

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There are plenty of factors that aren't being considered in this thread.
Most if not all of the relevant ones revolve around the rider and not the
bikes in question. Especially if we're comparing VFR model to VFR model.
Especially if we're talking fuel economy.

Denny

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Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 7:35 PM
To: Oil Guy
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Subject: Re: VFR fuel economy - general comment


Of course, one thing no one's mentioned is rider weight- I'm a pretty
big boy- about 275#- which I'm sure doesn't help my gas mileage... ;)

On 5/6/06, Oil Guy wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Burnette"
> >
> > I generally get 38-39 MPG with my '97 VFR... slower riding (which is
> > rare) has netted 40 MPG once or twice.
> > --
> > Bill in Nashville
> > '97 VFR
> >
> *** Bill, a few of that generation perform as yours does, not sure why,
but
> the "median" was about 42 in the survey I did last year, and most 94-97
VFRs
> get 45 to 50 in conservative highway speed riding. I got over 50 one
time
> in the Colorado mountains, and I wasn't going slow!! Mike
>
>
>

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