Re: vfr Digest, Vol 28, Issue 12

Paul, since you're planning to go the long way 'round, you best bet is
to cross into Canada at the East end of Lake Ontario, then enjoy the
fine riding available from there to Parry sound. I know I have a
couple of routes (stashed somewhere on the hard drive) from the border
to Parry Sound + another from Silver Spring Md to the border. Let me
know if you're interested. The site that would have helped you to
build your own "best road" route across southern Ontario seems to have
gone off the net.
Regards, David "Routemeister" Thompson
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| 1. Re: Call me crazy - but here's a hard bag question I've not
| seen discussed... (Jerry)
| 2. Re: Gas Mileage & New Tires + Chain / Mind Losses........
| (Mrydr@xxxxxx)
| 3. Great VFR750 on ebay - last chance... (ALOHADREAM@xxxxxx)
| 4. Honda Pro Polish... (Brad Berson)
| 5. Re: Honda Pro Polish... (kurrremkarmerruk)
| 6. NVFRC - Route planning advice - Toronto (Paul Wilson)
| 7. Re: Honda Pro Polish... (Chris Burgess)
| 8. RE: Honda Pro Polish... (Alan Wilson)
| 9. RE: Honda Pro Polish... (Brad Berson)
| 10. Re: Honda Pro Polish... (Paul Kolbo)
| 11. Re: Honda Pro Polish... (Mick McHam)
| 12. RE: Honda Pro Polish... (Brad Berson)
| 13. Definitely prefer RVF400 to the CBR400RR (Brad McQuaid)
| 14. Re: Definitely prefer RVF400 to the CBR400RR (kurrremkarmerruk)
| 15. RE: Definitely prefer RVF400 to the CBR400RR (Brad McQuaid)
| 16. RE: Definitely prefer RVF400 to the CBR400RR (Brad McQuaid)
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| Message: 1
| Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:36:39 -0600
| From: Jerry
| Subject: Re: Call me crazy - but here's a hard bag question I've not
| seen discussed...
| To: vfr@xxxxxx
| Message-ID: <200607141936.39950.motor_ref@xxxxxx>
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
|
| On Thursday 13 July 2006 10:41 pm, Keith B. Tidrick wrote:
| > Has anyone tried mounting or fabricating mounts for hard bags off
another
| > type of bike such as a Triumph Sprint/Trophy or Honda ST1100 or
Ducati
| > ST2,3,or 4 on a 5th Gen VFR?
|
| I just ordered, received and installed the SWMotech racks and Hepco
& Becker
| bags on mine.
|
| > I keep looking at bags coming up for sale on e-bay and wondering
if I could
| > fit them to my VFR. I just don't like the GIVI aftermarket options
and
| > don't have the jack for Corbin Beetle Bags new (and can't find any
| > used...).
| >
| > Opinions / comments appreciated!
|
| SuzyS, The nice lady at Twisted Throttle told me that what I wanted
was in
| stock while I was talking to her on the phone.placing the order.
There were
| no problems. The bags were shipped as advertised and received in
good time.
|
| Installation was pretty easy. The quality apprears to be good.
|
| I like the way they look.
|
| I also like them better than beetle bags that I have on another
bike.
|
| They come off easily. The racks come off just as easy if you don't
want them
| on after you reach your destination.
|
| Suzy knows her stuff.
|
| There is a problem with the locks as noted in another earlier
message. But I
| am not going to worry about it. I cannot find a way to put them on
because
| there is always something in the way.
|
| I have pictures if that will help.
|
| --
| Jerry
|
| "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will
lose both,
| and deserve neither."--Thomas Jefferson
|
| "A society that will trade any amount of liberty, however small,
for the
| illusion of safety or security will lose everything. It is just a
matter of
| time."--MotorRef
|
|
| ------------------------------
|
| Message: 2
| Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 11:31:41 EDT
| From: Mrydr@xxxxxx
| Subject: Re: Gas Mileage & New Tires + Chain / Mind Losses........
| To: vfr@xxxxxx
| Message-ID: <386.83beeef.31ea645d@xxxxxx>
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
|
|
| In a message dated 7/14/2006 5:14:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
| mroth@xxxxxx writes:
|
| Seriously, I'm just fucking with you but damn
|
|
| LMAO.........
|
| OK, the simple equation was digital diarrhea, a simple(ton,
| 's) attempt in trying to correlate chain slop w/ gas mileage and
maybe a
| rise from the list ;>).
|
| However, I did experience better mileage after I replaced my chain
and a
| recent jaunt to NC (droning portions) saw mileage per tank figures
more in line
| w/ list posts, most recent from the departed "Oil Guy".
|
| Don't know if you caught the "Best Handling Bikes" in a UK rag, but
the
| equation / formula used to rank the bikes was interesting with
respect to
| quantifying variables and seemed to work w/ a group of testers.
|
| VFRs were ranked highly..... but Buell? still gotta try one........
|
| OK, back to cranking out metric to English conversions for NASA.
|
| Damn, were they pissed at me when we lost that satellite.....
|
| Duh, Da, Dah.......
|
| Have fun @ Thunderhill.........
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| Message: 3
| Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 09:09:45 EDT
| From: ALOHADREAM@xxxxxx
| Subject: Great VFR750 on ebay - last chance...
| To: vfr@xxxxxx
| Message-ID: <2de.2b691580.31eb9499@xxxxxx>
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| Just a reminder - if anyone is looking for a great VFR750. The
auction ends
| tonight -
|
|
_http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=17000642
| 5082&ih=007&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT_
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(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...e=STRK:MESE:IT)
|
| thanks,
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| Message: 4
| Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:33:10 -0400
| From: "Brad Berson"
| Subject: Honda Pro Polish...
| To:
| Message-ID:
|

|
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
|
| Honda doesn't sell the spray polish any longer? Can't seem to find
it
| in the stores here. Anyone have a favorite alternative??
|
|
| -Brad
|
|
|
| ------------------------------
|
| Message: 5
| Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 09:02:28 -0700 (PDT)
| From: kurrremkarmerruk
| Subject: Re: Honda Pro Polish...
| To: VFR List
| Message-ID: <20060716160228.65610.qmail@xxxxxx>
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
|
|
|
| --- Brad Berson wrote:
|
| > Honda doesn't sell the spray polish any longer?
| > Can't seem to find it
| > in the stores here. Anyone have a favorite
| > alternative??
| >
|
| I found the Honda to be worthless. Motul Silicone
| Clean is far superior, although it does attract bees!
|
| ------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| 1996 VFR750F
|
| 1991 Prelude Si
|
| 2006 Flying Ford Anglia
|
|
| ------------------------------
|
| Message: 6
| Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:51:10 -0400
| From: "Paul Wilson"
| Subject: NVFRC - Route planning advice - Toronto
| To: "VFR Mail List"
| Message-ID:
|
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
|
| I have a trip to the Twin Cities coming up. And I'm toying with
| getting there the long way, via Parry Sound, Sault-Ste.-Marie and
then
| around Lake Superior. (I did the Michigan route, via the UP a
couple
| years ago.)
|
| I'll ride north to Buffalo, then into Ontario. I'd like to not ride
| through Toronto, so looking for alternate routes through Southern
| Ontario. Any advice appreciated.
| --
| Paul in DC
|
|
| ------------------------------
|
| Message: 7
| Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:23:06 -0700
| From: "Chris Burgess"
| Subject: Re: Honda Pro Polish...
| To: vesper555@xxxxxx
| Cc: VFR List
| Message-ID:
|
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
|
| I just bought some at my local Honda dealer here in Seattle.
|
| On 7/16/06, kurrremkarmerruk wrote:
| >
| >
| > --- Brad Berson wrote:
| >
| > > Honda doesn't sell the spray polish any longer?
| > > Can't seem to find it
| > > in the stores here. Anyone have a favorite
| > > alternative??
| > >
| >
| > I found the Honda to be worthless. Motul Silicone
| > Clean is far superior, although it does attract bees!
| >
|
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
| >
| > 1996 VFR750F
| >
| > 1991 Prelude Si
| >
| > 2006 Flying Ford Anglia
| > _______________________________________________
| > vfr mailing list
| > vfr@xxxxxx
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| >
|
|
| --
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|
|
| ------------------------------
|
| Message: 8
| Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:20:36 -0400
| From: "Alan Wilson"
| Subject: RE: Honda Pro Polish...
| To: "VFR List"
| Message-ID:
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
|
| Is it time to resurrect the Lemon Pledge v. Honda Spray Polish
debate from
| the late 90s? :P
|
| Alan
| Columbus OH
| '95 VFR750
|
| > Subject: Re: Honda Pro Polish...
| >
| > I just bought some at my local Honda dealer here in Seattle.
|
|
|
| ------------------------------
|
| Message: 9
| Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:46:43 -0400
| From: "Brad Berson"
| Subject: RE: Honda Pro Polish...
| To:
| Message-ID:
|

|
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
|
| > Is it time to resurrect the Lemon Pledge v. Honda Spray Polish
| > debate from the late 90s? :P
|
| Hehe, seriously tho, since the Honda stuff disappeared from the
shelves
| here and one shop I stopped in yesterday said "no more but /here's
| something just as good/" {and twice the price, for some no-name
white
| label thing, yawn, damnit I really hate sales people}, and since
stuff
| like S100 sells for twice as much too, I just mail-ordered some more
| Honda stuff from Honda Direct Line (dot com) at $4.25 per. Easy way
| out, and cheap. Not that I don't like using far-off shops as random
| reasons to ride, but at $3.19 for regular I'm starting to choose my
| fights.
|
| Actually since it's so damn hot here I've been catching up on
reading
| motorcycle magazines, watching the racing on Speed, and buying stuff
| on-line. I should have a nice red Joe Rocket Phoenix 4.0 in a few
days.
| After twenty-five New York City summers sweltering in full-weight,
black
| H-G leathers, that will be a welcome addition to my closet. And I
got a
| couple of Condor helmet hangers - one for home and one for the
office.
|
| I began to realize I should stop when I started checking out the
bling.
|
| -Brad
|
|
|
| ------------------------------
|
| Message: 10
| Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:32:40 -0500
| From: "Paul Kolbo"
| Subject: Re: Honda Pro Polish...
| To: "Brad Berson" ,
| Message-ID: <004a01c6a927$bfdbf580$0400a8c0@xxxxxx>
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
|
| The story goes like this....17 states have banned Honda Polish for
either
| the presence of a material, or the excessive percentage of that
material (I
| wasn't clear on this.). Honda is supposedly working on a new
formulation.
| Honda still sells it in the other states and I believe you can still
buy it
| from places like Servicehonda.com and ronayres.com. This story has
been
| confirmed by local dealers (so not internet lore.)
|
| As far it's cleaning/polish ability versus others, I use it more as
a UV
| protectant. We have a 9 year old Pontiac Montana that has never
been waxed,
| but has been doused with many cans of Honda Polish over the years.
The
| local Pontiac dealer joked that they couldn't tell it apart from new
| vehicles in the parking lot when I had it in for servicing a few
months ago.
|
| Paul Kolbo
| 02 VFR (as red as it was new.)
| 94 ST1100 (as black as it was new.)
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Brad Berson"
| To:
| Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 4:46 PM
| Subject: RE: Honda Pro Polish...
|
|
| > > Is it time to resurrect the Lemon Pledge v. Honda Spray Polish
| > > debate from the late 90s? :P
| >
| > Hehe, seriously tho, since the Honda stuff disappeared from the
shelves
| > here and one shop I stopped in yesterday said "no more but /here's
| > something just as good/" {and twice the price, for some no-name
white
| > label thing, yawn, damnit I really hate sales people}, and since
stuff
| > like S100 sells for twice as much too, I just mail-ordered some
more
| > Honda stuff from Honda Direct Line (dot com) at $4.25 per. Easy
way
| > out, and cheap. Not that I don't like using far-off shops as
random
| > reasons to ride, but at $3.19 for regular I'm starting to choose
my
| > fights.
| >
| > Actually since it's so damn hot here I've been catching up on
reading
| > motorcycle magazines, watching the racing on Speed, and buying
stuff
| > on-line. I should have a nice red Joe Rocket Phoenix 4.0 in a few
days.
| > After twenty-five New York City summers sweltering in full-weight,
black
| > H-G leathers, that will be a welcome addition to my closet. And I
got a
| > couple of Condor helmet hangers - one for home and one for the
office.
| >
| > I began to realize I should stop when I started checking out the
bling.
| >
| > -Brad
| >
| > _______________________________________________
| > vfr mailing list
| > vfr@xxxxxx
| > For subscription and delivery options:
| > https://lists.cs.wisc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vfr
| >
|
|
|
| ------------------------------
|
| Message: 11
| Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:19:57 -0500
| From: "Mick McHam"
| Subject: Re: Honda Pro Polish...
| To: "Brad Berson" ,
| Message-ID: <003b01c6a936$bc57da00$0202a8c0@xxxxxx>
| Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
| reply-type=original
|
|
|
| >> Honda doesn't sell the spray polish any longer? Can't seem to
find it
| in the stores here. Anyone have a favorite alternative?? <<
|
| Where are you located? I can get all I want here in Texas. The local
| dealer's parts guy tells me it is now banned in California and
several other
| states.
| __________________________
| Mick McHam Houston, TX
| '01 ST1100 ABS, STOC# 1134
| '00 VFR800FI
| http://www.hal-pc.org/~mmcham
|
|
|
|
| ------------------------------
|
| Message: 12
| Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:22:41 -0400
| From: "Brad Berson"
| Subject: RE: Honda Pro Polish...
| To:
| Message-ID:
|

|
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
|
| > Where are you located? I can get all I want here in Texas.
|
| I'm in NYC. Odd that NYC would be on the forefront of banning
chemicals
| but what the heck do I know. I just ordered some on-line - problem
| solved.
|
| The shops here were too busy trying to sell overpriced alternatives
to
| actually tell me what was going on. Yeah, welcome to New York, f***
| you...
|
|
| -Brad
|
|
|
| ------------------------------
|
| Message: 13
| Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:38:26 -0700
| From: "Brad McQuaid"
| Subject: Definitely prefer RVF400 to the CBR400RR
| To:
| Message-ID:
|
<389D881B43DFED428B07517517B36F7F01F58DAE@xxxxxx-manticore.sigilgames.org>
|
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
|
| Having had both now for a while, I definitely prefer the RVF. In
| theory, the CBR should have more HP because it has an inline-4
instead
| of a V4, but since both bikes were restricted to about 56hp, the
better
| mid-range of the RVF's V4 is definitely preferable. Plus, the bike
is
| lighter, feels lighter, has better ergos, feels thinner... Is more
trick
| with a single sidearm, adjustable suspension. I imagine if the
CBR400RR
| had kept being developed and we had one on par with a modern 600RR
or
| 1000RR it would be killer, but that didn't happen. I haven't ridden
a
| ZXR-400 or GSXR-400, but I can definitely say with the Honda's, I
prefer
| to the RVF.
|
| Anyway, my unsolicited opinion, but I thought I'd share it since I
have
| both bikes and this is the VFR/RVF section. I've never ridden the
RVF's
| predecessor, the VFR400 but I know some people prefer it to the RVF.
|
| Shameless plug: check out my site and go to the sportbikes section
and
| check out my 'grey' bikes collection -- I've updated it and just
| recently added a CBR250RR (man that was hard to find, but with the
| aftermarket pipe and it revving to 19k (reportedly 18k on the dyno))
it
| sounds like an indy car. No torque, of course, but a fun bike
| nonetheless.
|
| I still love my 2-strokes, and probably still prefer a de-restricted
| NSR250 MC28 to the RVF400, but not by much -- of the 'grey' 90s
bikes,
| the RVF400 is definitely one of my favorites.
|
| Anyway, most of you talk about the newer bikes, and I don't blame
you,
| but as a collector of rare 90s grey bikes, and having gotten my RVF
| running recently, I wanted to share my thoughts about it, especially
vs.
| the CBR400RR. There aren't a lot of comparisons out there and they
| seemed mixed -- to me, there is no comparison -- the CBR is a boat
vs.
| the RVF.
|
| -Brad
| www.sportandtrack.com
|
|
|
|
| ------------------------------
|
| Message: 14
| Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:44:10 -0700 (PDT)
| From: kurrremkarmerruk
| Subject: Re: Definitely prefer RVF400 to the CBR400RR
| To: VFR List
| Message-ID: <20060717064410.20642.qmail@xxxxxx>
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
|
|
|
| --- Brad McQuaid wrote:
| In
| > theory, the CBR should have more HP because it has
| > an inline-4 instead
| > of a V4,
|
| To what theory are you referring? Just curious. I'm
| aware of more than one V4 with more horsepower than a
| similar displacement inline. ??
|
| ------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| 1996 VFR750F
|
| 1991 Prelude Si
|
| 2006 Flying Ford Anglia
|
|
| ------------------------------
|
| Message: 15
| Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:52:13 -0700
| From: "Brad McQuaid"
| Subject: RE: Definitely prefer RVF400 to the CBR400RR
| To: , "VFR List"
| Message-ID:
|
<389D881B43DFED428B07517517B36F7F01F58DAF@xxxxxx-manticore.sigilgames.org>
|
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
|
| I'm no expert, but I think it's generally considered true that you
can
| get more HP from an inline-4 than a v-4, but the v-4 has more
torque.
| Look at a CBR1000RR vs. the RC51 or the Ducatis. If I'm wrong,
please
| explain -- I am definitely no expert on internal combustion engines
and
| the pluses and minues of engine configuration (V, inline, flat,
etc.).
|
| I do know I'm not just feeling more torque and mid-range on the
RVF --
| I've seen the dyno of an RVF400 and CBR400RR and you can see the
| different power bands.
|
|
| -------------------------------------------------------------
| Brad McQuaid
| Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
| Exec. Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
| www.vanguardsoh.com / www.sigil.com
| --------------------------------------------------------------
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: vfr-bounces@xxxxxx [mailto:vfr-bounces@xxxxxx] On
Behalf
| Of kurrremkarmerruk
| Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 11:44 PM
| To: VFR List
| Subject: Re: Definitely prefer RVF400 to the CBR400RR
|
|
|
| --- Brad McQuaid wrote:
| In
| > theory, the CBR should have more HP because it has an inline-4
instead
|
| > of a V4,
|
| To what theory are you referring? Just curious. I'm aware of more
than
| one V4 with more horsepower than a similar displacement inline. ??
|
| ------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| 1996 VFR750F
|
| 1991 Prelude Si
|
| 2006 Flying Ford Anglia
| _______________________________________________
| vfr mailing list
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| ------------------------------
|
| Message: 16
| Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:59:19 -0700
| From: "Brad McQuaid"
| Subject: RE: Definitely prefer RVF400 to the CBR400RR
| To: , "VFR List"
| Message-ID:
|
<389D881B43DFED428B07517517B36F7F01F58DB0@xxxxxx-manticore.sigilgames.org>
|
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
|
| Of course, on the newer bikes, its in-line 4 vs. v2, and so the
extra HP
| is due to the # of cylinders of course. Like I said, I've never
ridden
| a modern RC51 to see how I like it vs. a modern CBR1000RR (which I
have
| ridden -- an '05 a friend of mine has). All I'm saying is 1.
| subjectively I like the RVF400 better than the CBR400RR and 2. I
would
| assume you could get higher revs and therefore more HP from the
CBR400RR
| were it not restricted.
|
|
| -------------------------------------------------------------
| Brad McQuaid
| Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
| Exec. Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
| www.vanguardsoh.com / www.sigil.com
| --------------------------------------------------------------
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: vfr-bounces@xxxxxx [mailto:vfr-bounces@xxxxxx] On
Behalf
| Of kurrremkarmerruk
| Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 11:44 PM
| To: VFR List
| Subject: Re: Definitely prefer RVF400 to the CBR400RR
|
|
|
| --- Brad McQuaid wrote:
| In
| > theory, the CBR should have more HP because it has an inline-4
instead
|
| > of a V4,
|
| To what theory are you referring? Just curious. I'm aware of more
than
| one V4 with more horsepower than a similar displacement inline. ??
|
| ------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| 1996 VFR750F
|
| 1991 Prelude Si
|
| 2006 Flying Ford Anglia
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