RE: New VFR

If your "gouging asphalt" with your 2000 VFR I think there is something else wrong than their stock suspension. Have you tried setting the ride height up higher? Do you slide a butt cheek over? Is this at a track your doing this?

Paul Kolbo
02 VTEC Lover

-----Original Message-----
>From: Quint A Marcaletti
>Sent: Sep 1, 2006 12:42 PM
>To: "vfr@xxxxxx"
>Subject: Re: new vfr
>
>""Because of the things that I do with a bike, I don't really want more
>than 750cc, so a newer, bigger VFR doesn't appeal. A want a new 750cc
>VFR, with the gear-driven cams, 425lb wet, 100-120hp, USD forks, 4-
>pot brakes...oh wait, that's the RC45. Guess I'll have to start
>saving my pennies. In the meantime, I'll just have to "make do" with
>my '94. ;-)""
>
>You forgot what I consider to be the most important thing: A fully adjustable, and top-notch suspension. Face it, the VFR is an old man's bike, relatively speaking (to a sport bike) and older men tend to have a little extra weight on their bones. (I know I do!). So, why spring the bike for a 140 pound rider? I would venture to guess that the biggest market for the vfr is Europe, not Asia...so the average rider is larger than a typical Asian person. So put some springs in that are set for perhaps a ~190 pound rider. USD forks will help, sure, but make them adjustable and give us the ability to ride the SPORT side of the ST equation well. Hell...even my FJR had fully adjustable front forks (but the rear sucked) OH...and please Honda...give us more ground clearance so we can take corners without gouging asphalt!...of course a better suspension will help to relieve this problem. Better brakes would be nice too. My opinion of the 02-06 is that it is butt ugly. Especial!
l!
> y the job they did on the exhaust with that "aluminum siding" covers for the mufflers.
>QAM
>2000 VFR
>
>
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What does this mean???......
>After reviewing other people's impressions and intensive data sampling of
>my own, VTEC just simply doesn't work well in this application -

My bike runs well, looks great, has excellent reviews with the press, Honda
appear to like it (for several years), and the styling appears to be being
copied on the CBR1000RR??

What am I missing?

Les....(no feathers ruffled)



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>Today's Topics:
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> 1. 1994 right mirror (Scott Bogue)
> 2. RE:RE: Starter Valve Synching (Ron Perrillo)
> 3. Must We Wait till '08? (Andrew Bertsch)
> 4. Re: Must We Wait till '08? (Joe Cargal)
> 5. Accessories (Lyingfire@xxxxxx)
> 6. 94-97 suggested upgrades? (james greer)
> 7. Re: Must We Wait till '08? (Bryan Roth)
> 8. Re: 94-97 suggested upgrades? (Bryan Roth)
> 9. Re: 94-97 suggested upgrades? (Joe Cargal)
> 10. Re: 94-97 suggested upgrades? (John Johnson)
> 11. 86 vf500 head gasket (MJ Stiers)
> 12. WDGH-X regrets (Kirk A)
> 13. Re: WDGH-X regrets (Marc Brinker)
> 14. FW: [ST-Riders] SPAM: Items for sale (Keith B. Tidrick)
> 15. WTB: 3rd/4th Gen Rear Caliper (SA1713)
> 16. Doh!.... toppled! (Bob Chappuis)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:03:36 -0400
>From: "Scott Bogue"
>Subject: 1994 right mirror
>To: "vfr"
>Message-ID: <410-22006843114336578@xxxxxx>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>Hi all,
>
>Is anyone looking for a right side OEM mirror?
>
>As part of the rehab process on my newly-acquired 1994, I am replacing both
>OEM mirrors with new aftermarket mirrors. The left mirror glass was broken
>by the PO's kids in a driveway tip-over. The right mirror is unscratched
>and undamaged.
>
>Yep, a new OEM mirror is $100+. Unbelievable.
>
>$35 plus shipping seem reasonable?
>
>Thanks, and ride safe when ya ride.
>
>Scott in NC
>'94 non-runner (but I'm workin' on it)
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:46:21 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Ron Perrillo
>Subject: RE:RE: Starter Valve Synching
>To: vfr@xxxxxx
>Message-ID: <20060831164621.87349.qmail@xxxxxx>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>The term starter valve came from a suggestion from another lister. Though I
>had never heard of that I posted it to the list because my mechanical
>knowledge/skills are extremely feeble. Carb sync-hing or lack there of is
>what I would expect is causing my problem at this point. Just trying to
>narrow it down before I bring it in to Fred at Triple-O service here in
>Chicago, who by the way is a very fastidious and thorough guy. Thanks to
>all for the helpful suggestions.
>
> Ron Perrillo
> Chicago
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>Message: 3
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:32:36 -0400
>From: "Andrew Bertsch"
>Subject: Must We Wait till '08?
>To: "VFR Mailing List"
>Cc: Papillon Barry , Ernie Shaw
> , Joe Strunk , Bruce &
> Kathy Bertsch , Tom Schoen
> , Chad Davis , Steve
> Brautigam
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>New VFR Hopefuls ~
>
> >From the Thousand Oaks (California) Honda-Suzuki web site (re: 2007 Honda
>Rumors)...
>
>#2) All-New VFR? That is the question isn't it? The most eagerly
>anticipated
>next generation VFR ever. For over 6 years now the Interceptor fans have
>salivated over the idea of a 1000cc VFR. Will their wishes come true? We
>think they are going to run this year's current VFR for one more year, and
>then expect something for 2008.
>
>I hope they're wrong, but then my '99 has just 12,500 miles on it and I'm
>still in love, so I guess I can wait awhile to see what the next generation
>VFR turns out to be. Honda's 2007 Dealer Show is slated for Sept. 6-8 in
>Las Vegas Nevada, so we should know more then.
>
>Andrew Bertsch
>'99VFR800FI/Sargent
>Cogito Ergo Zoom
>Sidney, Ohio
>abertsch1@xxxxxx
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>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:42:13 -0400
>From: Joe Cargal
>Subject: Re: Must We Wait till '08?
>To: VFR Mailing List
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>At this risk of ruffling some feathers -
>
>Quite frankly, if the new VFR stil has VTEC to go along with
>that liter class designation I'll still keep my 2000. After
>reviewing other people's impressions and intensive data
>sampling of my own, VTEC just simply doesn't work well in
>this application -
>
>Joe.
>
> > #2) All-New VFR? That is the question isn't it? The
> > most eagerly anticipated next generation VFR ever.
> > For over 6 years now the Interceptor fans have
> > salivated over the idea of a 1000cc VFR. Will their
> > wishes come true? We think they are going to run
> > this year's current VFR for one more year, and then
> > expect something for 2008.
> >
> > I hope they're wrong, but then my '99 has just
> > 12,500 miles on it and I'm still in love, so I guess
> > I can wait awhile to see what the next generation
> > VFR turns out to be. Honda's 2007 Dealer Show is
> > slated for Sept. 6-8 in Las Vegas Nevada, so we
> > should know more then.
> >
> > Andrew Bertsch
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>Message: 5
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:02:28 EDT
>From: Lyingfire@xxxxxx
>Subject: Accessories
>To: vfr@xxxxxx
>Message-ID: <365.d509d78.32289a54@xxxxxx>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>.
>I have the bracket and two hard bags for my 1997 VFR I need to sell.
>Just write Joe Lyingfire@xxxxxx
>or call269-721-3100 or 908-0438.
>My response might take a bit as I am recovering from back surgery, Please
>be
>patient.
>The bike is in lower Michigan.
>I am also selling a 1984 black and red night hawk. 34K It's the 700 s
>driveshaft and runs and looks pretty good. I have all sorts of extra's for
>it with
>only minor dings or scratches.
>I am asking 1500 but need desperately to sell it so you can negotiate
>
>Thanks,
>Joe O.
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>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:18:31 +0000
>From: "james greer"
>Subject: 94-97 suggested upgrades?
>To: vfr@xxxxxx
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>Message: 7
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:22:44 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Bryan Roth
>Subject: Re: Must We Wait till '08?
>To: jcargal@xxxxxx, VFR Mailing List
>Message-ID: <20060831202244.47054.qmail@xxxxxx>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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>--- Joe Cargal wrote:
>
> > At this risk of ruffling some feathers -
> >
> > Quite frankly, if the new VFR stil has VTEC to go along with
> > that liter class designation I'll still keep my 2000. After
> > reviewing other people's impressions and intensive data
> > sampling of my own, VTEC just simply doesn't work well in
> > this application -
>
>Er.. Im with you. To me its just lots of extra complexity with no gain.
>Though I don't mind the styling though.
>
>I have not run into too many folks that have owned a gear driven VFR
>and liked the new VTEC one. One of the guys in the Dept. actually sold
>his VTEC after a year and was looking for a 94-01.
>
>Bryan
>
>
>One great wife (Life is good)
>96'VFR750 (Life is better)
>86'VF500 (live long and prosper)
>Lyme Vol. Fire
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>Message: 8
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:53:34 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Bryan Roth
>Subject: Re: 94-97 suggested upgrades?
>To: james greer , vfr@xxxxxx
>Message-ID: <20060831205334.47573.qmail@xxxxxx>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>
>
>--- james greer wrote:
>Already has handlebar risers, VH pipe, corbin seat, and the 900RR
>condomless mirrors.
>
>
>Shit can that crappy V&H pipe and get a enutniatS!!! Oh and get a stock
>seat too. Much more comfortable.
>
>Heated grips, Newer model RR, Olhins shock, standard H4 bulbs,
>Thing-a-magigger to keep the tail plastic from crumbling.
>
>=))
>
>Bryan
>
>
>One great wife (Life is good)
>96'VFR750 (Life is better)
>86'VF500 (live long and prosper)
>Lyme Vol. Fire
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>Message: 9
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:02:10 -0400
>From: Joe Cargal
>Subject: Re: 94-97 suggested upgrades?
>To: james greer , vfr@xxxxxx
>Message-ID: <7c62936a.f099eac4.81b6400@xxxxxx>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>My comments interpolated within yours:
>
> > Front forks - shim valves, possibly gold valve kit,
> > I've heard of CBR600 internals or maybe even Ohlins
>
>...Ohlins is available for $3000 or so, for the forks only.
>Much cheaper is a complete replacement RC51 front end, which
>I do have available. Almost a straight plug in swap, nice
>increase in spring rate and full adjustablity to boot.
>
> > rear shock - prolly technoflex
>
>Penske is about as good as you can get, never any need to
>sell...it's fully end user rebuildable and revalvable for
>any application. Some like Ohlins and Fox is available but
>less common.
>
> > TBR lower left carbon C5 - I liked the way it
> > exposed the SSSA
>
>SATANTUNE!!! Also a good choice.
>
> > Factory jet kit
>
>Your best option probably.
>
> > Dynamo Humm 840cc kit in the winter.
>
>My sentiments exactly...would love to do that myself.
>
> > the smog/recirculator kit(CA warning still in place)
>
>Not my area of expertise obviously, but the smog Nazis in GA
>at least would never know if that equipment went
>missing...ditto for every place I have lived that required
>inspection. They just simply didn't sniffer test
>motorcycles. I've never lived in CA, so YMMV.
>
> > Already has handlebar risers, VH pipe, corbin seat,
> > and the 900RR condomless mirrors.
>
>...sounds like you've got an excellent start.
>______________________
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>Dalton GA
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>Message: 10
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:48:10 -0400
>From: John Johnson
>Subject: Re: 94-97 suggested upgrades?
>To: vfrlist List
>Message-ID: <179ED390-9619-4DF9-A517-64FB16DBB062@xxxxxx>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
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>
>On Thursday 31Aug, 2006, at 5:02 PM, Joe Cargal wrote:
>[snip]
> >
> >> rear shock - prolly technoflex
> >
> > Penske is about as good as you can get, never any need to
> > sell...it's fully end user rebuildable and revalvable for
> > any application. Some like Ohlins and Fox is available but
> > less common.
> >
>Ohlins for the rear is no longer available new. I see them used
>occasionally, but they've always gone for at least as much as a
>(used) Penske or WP; I don't see much point, given that the Penske
>and WP are still produced. The only thing the Ohlins has is the
>remote preload adjustment, which I don't think any other brand has
>(I'd love to be corrected on this, btw).
> >
> >> Factory jet kit
> >
> > Your best option probably.
> >
>4 months between re-jets? Don't bother until after you've got the big
>bore kit in, if you're doing the big bore this winter.
> >> Dynamo Humm 840cc kit in the winter.
> >
> > My sentiments exactly...would love to do that myself.
> >
> >> the smog/recirculator kit(CA warning still in place)
>
>Leave it alone until it breaks. There are easier ways of lightening
>the bike.
>
>I'm with Bryan Roth on heated grips (dual-stars with heattroller
>here) and a new RR (if not already upgraded).
>
>Pull your brakes off and clean and lube all moving parts. SS lines if
>you want the looks or if the originals are in bad shape (I didn't
>notice any difference in power when I replaced my lines, but I'm
>still happy to have the new lines on there).
>
>A hugger (particularly if you get a new shock).
>
>Aim your headlights using proper procedures. Uprated lamps do little
>good if your lights are mis-aimed.
>
>later,
>Johnj
>
>
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>Message: 11
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:05:55 -0500
>From: "MJ Stiers"
>Subject: 86 vf500 head gasket
>To: vfr@xxxxxx
>Message-ID:
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>Okay, I have recently aquired an '86 VF500f, and when I got it home
>discoverd a torrent of coolant in the oil, and when i run it it spews out
>white smoke. It could be a cracked block, but with 15k miles, I'm assuming
>its more likely a blown headgasket (it's also been sitting for about two
>years). The bike was set down, probably at lower speeds given the extent of
>the exterior damage to the block, though a good portion was shaved off the
>oil inlet (opposite the dipstick). I dont have my bike in possestion at the
>moment as I'm in college, but will inspect further when I get home. I've
>been looking for head gaskets, but all I can find is complete motor gasket
>sets, and I'm not about to rebuild a motor that doesnt need it (time, money
>constraints). Does anyone know where I can get JUST a set of head gaskets,
>other than from a dealer?
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>Message: 12
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:39:44 -0400
>From: Kirk A
>Subject: WDGH-X regrets
>To: vfr@xxxxxx
>Message-ID: <44F76530.7050005@xxxxxx>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>Despite ordering a shirt or two, I will not be attending this year's
>tenth annual WDGH. I will miss the camaraderie, Bryan's fine barbecue
>fixins', and plenty of delightful company & roads too. The truth of the
>matter is that the final chapter of my June trip to Montreal has not yet
>been written. Although I've been mum to the list, the fact is that my
>trusty steed didn't complete the trip. And during the intervening
>months, neither two dealerships nor I have been able to get to the
>bottom of the problem. Nothing good to say about the Queensbury, NY
>dealership. Ditto my local shop. I'm back to working it out myself...
>
>The problem seems to be a fuel supply issue. The Lake George area
>Queensbury Honda installed a new kickstand switch (idiot FI shutoff
>switch) and soldered in a local ground to the fuel pump. They proclaimed
>it was ready. I flew up on 7/5, picked it up, and it died three gears
>out of the dealership parking lot. Having no faith in them, I hauled it
>back in a Budget rent-a-truck. After that, I replaced the entire harness
>(both of them, actually), and then the fuel pump assembly. Still no
>improvement in response to either remedy. This past week, my local
>dealership tested out the fuel pressure regulator and declared it
>operational, but was otherwise clueless. Duh.
>
>So, I anticipate that I will be next pulling the throttle body and
>cleaning and/or replacing the injectors. For the record, during that
>aborted trip, I swapped ECUs with Tim and the problem remained on my
>bike, so that potential problem is eliminated. I'm scratching my head. I
>know, I haven't described all of the symptoms for those who wish to
>participate in the puzzle. If any of you want any serious discussion, we
>can take that off-list.
>
>Jeers,
> Kirk
>
>
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>Message: 13
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:59:22 -0400
>From: "Marc Brinker"
>Subject: Re: WDGH-X regrets
>To: "Kirk A" , "VFR List"
>Message-ID: <002e01c6cd59$7b99ac90$1d02a8c0@xxxxxx>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Hey Kirk,
>
>What a bummer -- I'd been expecting your sign-up, and began to think
>something was up. We'll miss ya.
>
>I think you should ride pillion behind Tim, and come anyway . . . that's
>like, what, almost 14 feet of Andersons on one VFR?? I'd pay to see that .
>.
>.
>
>See what you can do, even if you decide late, we'll get you some
>accommodations . . .
>
>Marc
>-------------------
>'94 Honda VFR 750 (very fast black)
>'88 Honda Hawk NT650 (hers)
>'73 Suzuki GT750 (first bike, and restoration project)
>'85 Honda VF1000R (gone but not forgotten)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kirk A"
>
> > Despite ordering a shirt or two, I will not be attending this year's
> > tenth annual WDGH. I will miss the camaraderie, Bryan's fine barbecue
> > fixins', and plenty of delightful company & roads too. The truth of the
> > matter is that the final chapter of my June trip to Montreal has not yet
> > been written. Although I've been mum to the list, the fact is that my
>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 14
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:10:50 -0500
>From: "Keith B. Tidrick"
>Subject: FW: [ST-Riders] SPAM: Items for sale
>To: "'VFR List'"
>Message-ID: <20060901031051.44AA812F7@xxxxxx>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Forgive me if this is a double post - - -
>
>
>
>A little slow closing the loop here...
>
>The wind shield has sold (actually, sold and shipped!).
>
>Tank bag is still available if anyone is interested.
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>Stay vertical...
>
>Keith B. Tidrick
>'96 Honda OSRST1100, "Name TBD" - home!!!
>'99 Honda VFR800 F1 Interceptor, "Phantom" - GBNF -> AB
>'91 Honda SSMST1100, "Smooth Silver" - GBNF -> GJ
>STOC # 4361
>Cookeville, TN
>
><>
>
>I have a couple of items I would like to offer up for sale. Pictures
>available. Please contact me off-list if interested.
>
>1) Magnetic tank bag - Oxford brand. I purchased this item new and used it
>this summer only on the VFR. Like new condition, has snap on map pocket,
>rain cover, reflective piping, strap for the steering head. Small pocket
>with dividers inside on top. Main compartment will hold 1 half gallon ice
>cream BOX with a little vertical room to spare. Bag is not expandable.
>Asking $55 and I will pay shipping.
>
>2) Tall windscreen for 1991-2002 Honda ST1100. -- -- SOLD -- --
>
>I will be glad to send pics to any requestors - I have 3 pics of the bag
>and
>4 of the screen.
>
>First identifiable commitment contact takes the item. I will reference the
>time stamp on the e-mail.
>
>Thanks for your interest!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 15
>Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 06:51:42 -0700 (PDT)
>From: SA1713
>Subject: WTB: 3rd/4th Gen Rear Caliper
>To: vfr@xxxxxx
>Message-ID: <20060901135142.52213.qmail@xxxxxx>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Hello Listers.
>
> I recently rescued a 1993 VFR 750 from an unsavory barn. I'm looking to
>restore it to great glory.
>
> Does anyone have a rear caliper/rotor they want to sell? I believe that
>the rear caliper is on all model years 1990-1997.
>
> I'm also looking for some side plastic..... Even if broken.
>
> Find me off line at sa_1713@xxxxxx
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Jim
>
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>Message: 16
>Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:40:27 -0500
>From: Bob Chappuis
>Subject: Doh!.... toppled!
>To: vfr email list
>Message-ID: <110157882.20060901094027@xxxxxx>
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>The front end of my 99 was carefully propped on a stack of boards
>while the forks were in the shop. I carfefully centered my floor jack
>underneath the collector to re-install the front wheel, or so I
>thought. I have done this front end jacking 4 or 5 times now and I
>guess I got careless, or maybe I raised a little too much. Or
>maybe the fault lies with my new compact floor jack.
>
>The VFR toppled off the jack and fell on its left side. It landed
>on and shattered an open, plastic storage bin, probably preventing
>more
>serious damage to the fairing. Have not had a chance to look closely
>yet but looks like just a rub mark, no scratch or crack. I was able to
>get her up on her knees but then had to wait for the wife to get home
>to get it back on the center stand. Once she got home I was surprised
>to find I had enough strength to pick the front end up high enough for
>her to deploy the center stand. I will pull the plastic off and look
>for damage and unbend the mounting brackets.
>
>And next time I think I will use the iron pipe suspension rig
>discussed here a few years back!
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> Bob
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On Friday 1Sep, 2006, at 11:23 AM, Les Halls wrote:

> What does this mean???......
>> After reviewing other people's impressions and intensive data
>> sampling of
>> my own, VTEC just simply doesn't work well in this application -
>
> My bike runs well, looks great, has excellent reviews with the
> press, Honda
> appear to like it (for several years), and the styling appears to
> be being
> copied on the CBR1000RR??
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Les....(no feathers ruffled)

My impression is that it's the "step" in power that people are dis/
satisfied with. A lot of people really don't like the abrupt nature
of the power increase at VTEC engagement. The really weird thing
about it though, is that I've read in a number of places that Honda
have said that this was deliberate. I really don't know what they're
thinking on that one.

Anyway, should Honda decide to keep the VTEC, but make the power
delivery linear (that's one of the advantages of a V4, right? I mean,
we _like_ this engine configuration!) nobody would notice its
existence. I suspect that that would be a problem in itself ("If I
can't tell it's there, what exactly is it doing for me, and why am I
paying for it?").

I guess it's mostly a side-effect of owning the model that Honda has
decided to use as a technology demonstrator. Sometimes you get some
odd features (anyone remember the 4-wheel steering on the Prelude?)

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John, you got a good part of the feel thing, but then there is the
"technology demonstrator" thing, which really bothers me.

VTEC is supposed to let you have the high revving power up top, but tame it
down for around town and economy reasons. When Honda added this feature to
the VFR, they left the cams alone. Meaning it basically robs some midrange
and adds nothing up top. So to me, I'm left with excess complexity, at the
cost of character from the gear driven cams (no longer there), and no real
improvement. Oh, and I get to pay extra for it and have an abrupt spot
because Honda wanted the consumer to think they got something for their
money.

If you like the bikes and don't mind the VTEC, then all the power to you and
enjoy what you have. To each their own, and for me, I like my '94 ...
enough to go back.


Carl

-----Original Message-----


My impression is that it's the "step" in power that people are dis/
satisfied with. A lot of people really don't like the abrupt nature
of the power increase at VTEC engagement. The really weird thing
about it though, is that I've read in a number of places that Honda
have said that this was deliberate. I really don't know what they're
thinking on that one.

Anyway, should Honda decide to keep the VTEC, but make the power
delivery linear (that's one of the advantages of a V4, right? I mean,
we _like_ this engine configuration!) nobody would notice its
existence. I suspect that that would be a problem in itself ("If I
can't tell it's there, what exactly is it doing for me, and why am I
paying for it?").

I guess it's mostly a side-effect of owning the model that Honda has
decided to use as a technology demonstrator. Sometimes you get some
odd features (anyone remember the 4-wheel steering on the Prelude?)

later,
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Les,

I've ridden several 02+ models and personally was not very
impressed with the power delivery, as I compared it to my 98-
01 experience. The chassis was superb, but it doesn't seem
radically changed from the 98-01 so no big surprise there.
There have been several reports on the web of how the VTEC
imparts an unsettling feel to the bike, and now there are
reports of fuel mileage in the 30's range for the VTECs,
while the 98-01 is in the high 40's low 50's in miles per
gallon:

http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.php?
act=ST&f=3&t=25019

Check VFRDiscussion for an exhaustive series of posts on
this topic plus the BigList archives, there are literally
too many to list.

Here is what Motorcyclist had to say about the VTEC the year
it was introduced:

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/fe..._honda_vfr_800
_interceptor/

Quotes:

"Only two 2006 bikes really jump out at me. The Triumph
Daytona 675 is the most beautiful new sportbike with the
most "real world" power delivery. The BMW HP2 gets my "most
unique" vote. Neither is on my must-have list. I was hoping
Japan would launch something to compete with the BMW 1200GS.
(An updated Transalp please?), or bring the VFR to the next
level. (Drop the damn VTEC.) Maybe next year."

"It is time for Honda to get aggressive - use the RC51
engine in a naked platform using top shelf components.
Rework the VFR, abandon the VTEC, give us back the gear
driven cams, nobody asked for these to go away, and punch it
out to 1000 ccs with 135hp. Give us a great Adventure bike,
not 10 year old heavy Varadero technology. Where is the dual
sport version of the XR650R?? If we thought we needed
airbags, we'd be driving Civics!!"

"I like the 2006 Suzuki GSR600, Buell Ulysses XB12X and 2006
Kawasaki ER-6n. The 2006 Triumph Scrambler and Moto Guzzi
Griso 1100 are great additions. The updated 2006 Yamaha
FJR1300 is the greatest. But, I can do without the Optional
Clutchless Electric-Shift. Honda missed the boat with the
2006 Honda Interceptor. Get ride [sic] of the VTEC and bring
back the gear driven cams If I could have the new
Interceptor's looks and the old interceptor's motor I would
have a new bike!"

[from
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/07nov...voritebike_rr2.
htm ]

....finally, we have some reasonably priced 5th gen non-VTEC
motors available on a limited basis, and some 6th genners
are contemplating trying to swap the earlier motor into the
later model 6th gen chassis on VFRDiscussion.

It's not been well received, especially by those who have
previously owned a 5th gen.

YMMV of course...if you enjoy your 6th gen then that's what
makes the world go 'round. :) If my only choices were any
inline 4 sportbike and an 02+ Interceptor, I'd take the VFR
any day. My riding style is very well complimented by the
V4 power delivery.

Joe

---- Original message ----
>Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:23:18 -0400
>From: "Les Halls"
>Subject: RE: New VFR
>To: vfr@xxxxxx
>
>What does this mean???......
>>After reviewing other people's impressions and intensive
data sampling of
>>my own, VTEC just simply doesn't work well in this
application -
>
>My bike runs well, looks great, has excellent reviews with
the press, Honda
>appear to like it (for several years), and the styling
appears to be being
>copied on the CBR1000RR??
>
>What am I missing?
>
>Les....(no feathers ruffled)
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On Friday 1Sep, 2006, at 11:54 AM, Walzer, Carl (.) wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>
>> My impression is that it's the "step" in power that people are dis/
>> satisfied with. A lot of people really don't like the abrupt nature
>> of the power increase at VTEC engagement. The really weird thing
>> about it though, is that I've read in a number of places that Honda
>> have said that this was deliberate. I really don't know what they're
>> thinking on that one.
>>
>> Anyway, should Honda decide to keep the VTEC, but make the power
>> delivery linear (that's one of the advantages of a V4, right? I mean,
>> we _like_ this engine configuration!) nobody would notice its
>> existence. I suspect that that would be a problem in itself ("If I
>> can't tell it's there, what exactly is it doing for me, and why am I
>> paying for it?").
>>
>> I guess it's mostly a side-effect of owning the model that Honda has
>> decided to use as a technology demonstrator. Sometimes you get some
>> odd features (anyone remember the 4-wheel steering on the Prelude?)


> John, you got a good part of the feel thing, but then there is the
> "technology demonstrator" thing, which really bothers me.
>
> VTEC is supposed to let you have the high revving power up top, but
> tame it
> down for around town and economy reasons.

I don't know about this (meaning, I really don't know; I don't
remember what Honda said they were doing with it), but I do know that
calling this system "VTEC" was confusing. Honda's original VTEC
system, with two different sets of cams, does exactly what you talk
about. It allows you to use a sharper profile for high-end power, and
a different profile for low-end tractability. It was only with the
release of Honda's i-VTEC that significant positive fuel economy
benefits were realized.

As for the VFR-VTEC, going from two valves to four valves per
cylinder was supposed to boost low-end torque (but it didn't) to help
around town. I can't imagine it having any significant effect on fuel
economy though...but then I'm just an interested amateur so my
imagination here is suspect. As people here, in magazines, and
practically everywhere else have pointed out, it would have been
cheaper to bore the thing out as a means of getting the extra torque
(though that certainly would have reduced economy).

Now then, I do recall this month's BIKE magazine having an interview
with one of Honda's chassis designers (did the chassis for VFR800,
worked on NR500, NR750, RC45, etc.) and he said that if he were given
the opportunity, he'd love to go back and do a sport-touring bike
with a 1000cc V4 engine. So, we're not alone here, but I don't have
any idea whether or not Honda are listening to us (or him).
>
> If you like the bikes and don't mind the VTEC, then all the power
> to you and
> enjoy what you have. To each their own, and for me, I like my '94 ...
> enough to go back.

Because of the things that I do with a bike, I don't really want more
than 750cc, so a newer, bigger VFR doesn't appeal. A want a new 750cc
VFR, with the gear-driven cams, 425lb wet, 100-120hp, USD forks, 4-
pot brakes...oh wait, that's the RC45. Guess I'll have to start
saving my pennies. In the meantime, I'll just have to "make do" with
my '94. ;-)

later,
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How about the idea that it was done to get rid of the noise of the gear driven
cams to satisfy some damn fool government requirement and then justified by a
bunch of bull from the marketing dweebs?

The only real pluses that I can find on the '02 and later bikes is the larger
diameter fork legs and the potential for hard bags.

There is some other glitz stuff but nothing else to make the bike stop faster,
go faster or handle better.

Jerry (who currently has an '00 and an '02. The '02 is for sale).



On Friday 01 September 2006 10:16 am, Joe Cargal wrote:
> Les,
>
> I've ridden several 02+ models and personally was not very
> impressed with the power delivery, as I compared it to my 98-
> 01 experience. The chassis was superb, but it doesn't seem
> radically changed from the 98-01 so no big surprise there.
> There have been several reports on the web of how the VTEC
> imparts an unsettling feel to the bike, and now there are
> reports of fuel mileage in the 30's range for the VTECs,
> while the 98-01 is in the high 40's low 50's in miles per
> gallon:
>
> http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.php?
> act=ST&f=3&t=25019
>
> Check VFRDiscussion for an exhaustive series of posts on
> this topic plus the BigList archives, there are literally
> too many to list.
>
> Here is what Motorcyclist had to say about the VTEC the year
> it was introduced:
>
> http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/fe..._honda_vfr_800
> _interceptor/
>
> Quotes:
>
> "Only two 2006 bikes really jump out at me. The Triumph
> Daytona 675 is the most beautiful new sportbike with the
> most "real world" power delivery. The BMW HP2 gets my "most
> unique" vote. Neither is on my must-have list. I was hoping
> Japan would launch something to compete with the BMW 1200GS.
> (An updated Transalp please?), or bring the VFR to the next
> level. (Drop the damn VTEC.) Maybe next year."
>
> "It is time for Honda to get aggressive - use the RC51
> engine in a naked platform using top shelf components.
> Rework the VFR, abandon the VTEC, give us back the gear
> driven cams, nobody asked for these to go away, and punch it
> out to 1000 ccs with 135hp. Give us a great Adventure bike,
> not 10 year old heavy Varadero technology. Where is the dual
> sport version of the XR650R?? If we thought we needed
> airbags, we'd be driving Civics!!"
>
> "I like the 2006 Suzuki GSR600, Buell Ulysses XB12X and 2006
> Kawasaki ER-6n. The 2006 Triumph Scrambler and Moto Guzzi
> Griso 1100 are great additions. The updated 2006 Yamaha
> FJR1300 is the greatest. But, I can do without the Optional
> Clutchless Electric-Shift. Honda missed the boat with the
> 2006 Honda Interceptor. Get ride [sic] of the VTEC and bring
> back the gear driven cams If I could have the new
> Interceptor's looks and the old interceptor's motor I would
> have a new bike!"
>
> [from
> http://www.motorcycledaily.com/07nov...voritebike_rr2.
> htm ]
>
> ...finally, we have some reasonably priced 5th gen non-VTEC
> motors available on a limited basis, and some 6th genners
> are contemplating trying to swap the earlier motor into the
> later model 6th gen chassis on VFRDiscussion.
>
> It's not been well received, especially by those who have
> previously owned a 5th gen.
>
> YMMV of course...if you enjoy your 6th gen then that's what
> makes the world go 'round. :) If my only choices were any
> inline 4 sportbike and an 02+ Interceptor, I'd take the VFR
> any day. My riding style is very well complimented by the
> V4 power delivery.
>
> Joe
>
> ---- Original message ----
>
> >Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:23:18 -0400
> >From: "Les Halls"
> >Subject: RE: New VFR
> >To: vfr@xxxxxx
> >
> >What does this mean???......
> >
> >>After reviewing other people's impressions and intensive
>
> data sampling of
>
> >>my own, VTEC just simply doesn't work well in this
>
> application -
>
> >My bike runs well, looks great, has excellent reviews with
>
> the press, Honda
>
> >appear to like it (for several years), and the styling
>
> appears to be being
>
> >copied on the CBR1000RR??
> >
> >What am I missing?
> >
> >Les....(no feathers ruffled)
>
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Alright.

so with all these people out there that are doing motorcycle mashups
and have such a hard-on for the 98-01 model of the VFR yet like the
looks of the 02-06 as well as the chassis of the 02-06 why hasn't
someone with WAY more time, money and inclination than I would EVER
have take the 98-01 motor and make it work with the 02-06 chassis?

I am sure some one could do it... why not stop complaining about what
honda should do and do it your damn self?

then we will really see how easy it is.

I understand the list mentality but why not put all the ranting
energy somewhere other than getting a bunch of people pissed off.
INSPIRE others to do craaaazy shit. Make bits-o-bikes that are things
no one else has... I am beginning to think the Chopper builders out
there are the only ones that actually THINK about their bikes, and
all the parts that go into them.

so the next time you go to complain about something some one or some
company isn't doing, fire up your welding torch, break out the plasma
cutter, and start mocking something up and make it your self. I am
sure this will get WAY more oooooooos and aaaaaaaaaahs than me toos
via your ranting post.

and the prime example I can think of is the guy that posted a link to
how he de-linked his brakes.... use that as your inspiration and re-
channel all your negative energy into some wicked shit.

Flame suit donned and waiting for the inferno.

barry m
88 hawk gt (sold)
02 interceptor abs
03 636



On Sep 1, 2006, at 9:16 AM, Joe Cargal wrote:

> Les,
>
> I've ridden several 02+ models and personally was not very
> impressed with the power delivery, as I compared it to my 98-
> 01 experience. The chassis was superb, but it doesn't seem
> radically changed from the 98-01 so no big surprise there.
> There have been several reports on the web of how the VTEC
> imparts an unsettling feel to the bike, and now there are
> reports of fuel mileage in the 30's range for the VTECs,
> while the 98-01 is in the high 40's low 50's in miles per
> gallon:
>
> http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.php?
> act=ST&f=3&t=25019
>
> Check VFRDiscussion for an exhaustive series of posts on
> this topic plus the BigList archives, there are literally
> too many to list.
>
> Here is what Motorcyclist had to say about the VTEC the year
> it was introduced:
>
> http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/fe..._honda_vfr_800
> _interceptor/
>
> Quotes:
>
> "Only two 2006 bikes really jump out at me. The Triumph
> Daytona 675 is the most beautiful new sportbike with the
> most "real world" power delivery. The BMW HP2 gets my "most
> unique" vote. Neither is on my must-have list. I was hoping
> Japan would launch something to compete with the BMW 1200GS.
> (An updated Transalp please?), or bring the VFR to the next
> level. (Drop the damn VTEC.) Maybe next year."
>
> "It is time for Honda to get aggressive - use the RC51
> engine in a naked platform using top shelf components.
> Rework the VFR, abandon the VTEC, give us back the gear
> driven cams, nobody asked for these to go away, and punch it
> out to 1000 ccs with 135hp. Give us a great Adventure bike,
> not 10 year old heavy Varadero technology. Where is the dual
> sport version of the XR650R?? If we thought we needed
> airbags, we'd be driving Civics!!"
>
> "I like the 2006 Suzuki GSR600, Buell Ulysses XB12X and 2006
> Kawasaki ER-6n. The 2006 Triumph Scrambler and Moto Guzzi
> Griso 1100 are great additions. The updated 2006 Yamaha
> FJR1300 is the greatest. But, I can do without the Optional
> Clutchless Electric-Shift. Honda missed the boat with the
> 2006 Honda Interceptor. Get ride [sic] of the VTEC and bring
> back the gear driven cams If I could have the new
> Interceptor's looks and the old interceptor's motor I would
> have a new bike!"
>
> [from
> http://www.motorcycledaily.com/07nov...voritebike_rr2.
> htm ]
>
> ...finally, we have some reasonably priced 5th gen non-VTEC
> motors available on a limited basis, and some 6th genners
> are contemplating trying to swap the earlier motor into the
> later model 6th gen chassis on VFRDiscussion.
>
> It's not been well received, especially by those who have
> previously owned a 5th gen.
>
> YMMV of course...if you enjoy your 6th gen then that's what
> makes the world go 'round. :) If my only choices were any
> inline 4 sportbike and an 02+ Interceptor, I'd take the VFR
> any day. My riding style is very well complimented by the
> V4 power delivery.
>
> Joe
>
> ---- Original message ----
>> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:23:18 -0400
>> From: "Les Halls"
>> Subject: RE: New VFR
>> To: vfr@xxxxxx
>>
>> What does this mean???......
>>> After reviewing other people's impressions and intensive
> data sampling of
>>> my own, VTEC just simply doesn't work well in this
> application -
>>
>> My bike runs well, looks great, has excellent reviews with
> the press, Honda
>> appear to like it (for several years), and the styling
> appears to be being
>> copied on the CBR1000RR??
>>
>> What am I missing?
>>
>> Les....(no feathers ruffled)






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""Because of the things that I do with a bike, I don't really want more
than 750cc, so a newer, bigger VFR doesn't appeal. A want a new 750cc
VFR, with the gear-driven cams, 425lb wet, 100-120hp, USD forks, 4-
pot brakes...oh wait, that's the RC45. Guess I'll have to start
saving my pennies. In the meantime, I'll just have to "make do" with
my '94. ;-)""

You forgot what I consider to be the most important thing: A fully adjustable, and top-notch suspension. Face it, the VFR is an old man's bike, relatively speaking (to a sport bike) and older men tend to have a little extra weight on their bones. (I know I do!). So, why spring the bike for a 140 pound rider? I would venture to guess that the biggest market for the vfr is Europe, not Asia...so the average rider is larger than a typical Asian person. So put some springs in that are set for perhaps a ~190 pound rider. USD forks will help, sure, but make them adjustable and give us the ability to ride the SPORT side of the ST equation well. Hell...even my FJR had fully adjustable front forks (but the rear sucked) OH...and please Honda...give us more ground clearance so we can take corners without gouging asphalt!...of course a better suspension will help to relieve this problem. Better brakes would be nice too. My opinion of the 02-06 is that it is butt ugly. Especiall!
y the job they did on the exhaust with that "aluminum siding" covers for the mufflers.
QAM
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Finally! I thought I was alone. I agree with you almost completely.
I don't need any more HP than my 91 has. I'd love a 425lb "91" VFR with
fully adjustable suspension and factory luggage. Gear-driven cams, too.
They can keep the rest of the recent "innovations".

Of course, I'm looking at the SV650s pretty seriously, these days.

C



John Johnson wrote:
> Because of the things that I do with a bike, I don't really want more
> than 750cc, so a newer, bigger VFR doesn't appeal. A want a new 750cc
> VFR, with the gear-driven cams, 425lb wet, 100-120hp, USD forks, 4-pot
> brakes...oh wait, that's the RC45. Guess I'll have to start saving my
> pennies. In the meantime, I'll just have to "make do" with my '94. ;-)

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Yes, track days, street days, all the above...Yes, I hang off the bike, Yes my Penske is set pretty high with probably too tight damping settings. Yes, I have .9kg Racetech springs in front (with gold valving). My track instructor looked the bike over and agreed the reason I couldn't shave that last edge off the tire was due to the limited lean angle...but I was able to get my knee down most of the day last time. ..and you gotta be hangin WAY off a vfr if you aren't real tall (like me) to get your knee down and not scrape all sorts of hardbits....check out my exhaust pipe sometime! It's pretty hard to weight the inside peg when its completely folded up!!!!

What do you mean you think there is something wrong?
QAM

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Kolbo [mailto:pakolbo@xxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 2:04 PM
To: quint.marcaletti@xxxxxx; vfr@xxxxxx
Subject: Re: new vfr

If your "gouging asphalt" with your 2000 VFR I think there is something else wrong than their stock suspension. Have you tried setting the ride height up higher? Do you slide a butt cheek over? Is this at a track your doing this?

Paul Kolbo
02 VTEC Lover

-----Original Message-----
>From: Quint A Marcaletti
>Sent: Sep 1, 2006 12:42 PM
>To: "vfr@xxxxxx"
>Subject: Re: new vfr
>
>""Because of the things that I do with a bike, I don't really want more
>than 750cc, so a newer, bigger VFR doesn't appeal. A want a new 750cc
>VFR, with the gear-driven cams, 425lb wet, 100-120hp, USD forks, 4-
>pot brakes...oh wait, that's the RC45. Guess I'll have to start
>saving my pennies. In the meantime, I'll just have to "make do" with
>my '94. ;-)""
>
>You forgot what I consider to be the most important thing: A fully adjustable, and top-notch suspension. Face it, the VFR is an old man's bike, relatively speaking (to a sport bike) and older men tend to have a little extra weight on their bones. (I know I do!). So, why spring the bike for a 140 pound rider? I would venture to guess that the biggest market for the vfr is Europe, not Asia...so the average rider is larger than a typical Asian person. So put some springs in that are set for perhaps a ~190 pound rider. USD forks will help, sure, but make them adjustable and give us the ability to ride the SPORT side of the ST equation well. Hell...even my FJR had fully adjustable front forks (but the rear sucked) OH...and please Honda...give us more ground clearance so we can take corners without gouging asphalt!...of course a better suspension will help to relieve this problem. Better brakes would be nice too. My opinion of the 02-06 is that it is butt ugly. Especial!
l!
> y the job they did on the exhaust with that "aluminum siding" covers for the mufflers.
>QAM
>2000 VFR
>
>
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