touring bike:

"Look the VFR is not a good two up touring bike unless the rider and
the passenger is like 220 combined. For this you need something
bigger. A FJR, a RT, a Connie or something in those likes is what you
need. I'm surprised your rear subframe hasn't cracked or broken off
yet with that sort of overloading on the bike."

The FJR IS NOT a good 2-up touring bike...sure it has plenty of power, but the stock rear suspension and handling are dogshit compared to the VFR. The FJR is just not a great handling bike..it is nowhere near neutral, wanting to oversteer dramatically, and adding even the rear bags in the "hard" setting is overloading the rear spring for me, a 205 pound rider. At least this is the case for my 04 model, and things may have improved for the newer generation. At the very least a new rear spring and damper must be considered.
QAM
2000 VFR
2006 Dodge Hemi Charger Daytona

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Interesting comment. I've been with a couple of people who have 2-up
toured on the FJR and they had no problems and the bike didn't look
loaded down.

-Chris

On 9/13/06, Quint A Marcaletti wrote:
>
>
> "Look the VFR is not a good two up touring bike unless the rider and
> the passenger is like 220 combined. For this you need something
> bigger. A FJR, a RT, a Connie or something in those likes is what you
> need. I'm surprised your rear subframe hasn't cracked or broken off
> yet with that sort of overloading on the bike."
>
> The FJR IS NOT a good 2-up touring bike...sure it has plenty of power, but the stock rear suspension and handling are dogshit compared to the VFR. The FJR is just not a great handling bike..it is nowhere near neutral, wanting to oversteer dramatically, and adding even the rear bags in the "hard" setting is overloading the rear spring for me, a 205 pound rider. At least this is the case for my 04 model, and things may have improved for the newer generation. At the very least a new rear spring and damper must be considered.
> QAM
> 2000 VFR
> 2006 Dodge Hemi Charger Daytona
>
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Yeah, well that's probably the biggest reason it is NOT in my garage any longer. I bought the FJR for a trip from Ohio to California and back and it worked out good for that. However, I purchased a Givi top mount kit and when I put the trunk on with just a light load, it became downright dangerous, wanting to oscillate and wallow, and the front would hop when cornering. I tried adjusting the front suspension to compensate with no luck...I ended up leaving the topcase at home for my trip. I LOVED the power, (one of the fastest 0-60 bikes out there) but I wasn't willing to put lots of $$ toward the bike to make it better. Add to that the Heat issues, The awful turbulence from the windscreen (no matter what position) the limited lean angle, handlebar buzz, and the extra weight, and my FJR was sold quickly. The VFR is a much nicer machine for most things, except for the more aggressive riding position. Don't get me wrong, the FJR is a great machine, and it's fit and finis!
h are superior to the VFR, and it has fully adjustable front forks. It just needs a lot of refinement, and it is definitely much more of a TOURER than sport compared to the VFR. Perhaps the latest generation FJR is much better??
QAM
2000 VFR
2006 Dodge Charger Hemi Daytona


-----Original Message-----
From: thatman311@xxxxxx [mailto:thatman311@xxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Burgess
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:03 PM
To: quint.marcaletti@xxxxxx
Cc: vfr@xxxxxx
Subject: Re: touring bike:

Interesting comment. I've been with a couple of people who have 2-up
toured on the FJR and they had no problems and the bike didn't look
loaded down.

-Chris

On 9/13/06, Quint A Marcaletti wrote:
>
>
> "Look the VFR is not a good two up touring bike unless the rider and
> the passenger is like 220 combined. For this you need something
> bigger. A FJR, a RT, a Connie or something in those likes is what you
> need. I'm surprised your rear subframe hasn't cracked or broken off
> yet with that sort of overloading on the bike."
>
> The FJR IS NOT a good 2-up touring bike...sure it has plenty of power, but the stock rear suspension and handling are dogshit compared to the VFR. The FJR is just not a great handling bike..it is nowhere near neutral, wanting to oversteer dramatically, and adding even the rear bags in the "hard" setting is overloading the rear spring for me, a 205 pound rider. At least this is the case for my 04 model, and things may have improved for the newer generation. At the very least a new rear spring and damper must be considered.
> QAM
> 2000 VFR
> 2006 Dodge Hemi Charger Daytona
>
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I doubt the latest gen of the FJR has changed that much in those regards.

The problem you were having is the rear shock didn't have a stiff
enough spring for you and the top case. So it was leveraging your
front wheel to be lighter.

Personally any bike I buy the suspension gets worked over. I'm just
waiting to get the $1500 for my street bike to do it to it (sv650s).
But the race bike has priority for stuff like and right now which bike
I'll be racing next year is up in the air.

-chris

On 9/13/06, Quint A Marcaletti wrote:
> Yeah, well that's probably the biggest reason it is NOT in my garage any longer. I bought the FJR for a trip from Ohio to California and back and it worked out good for that. However, I purchased a Givi top mount kit and when I put the trunk on with just a light load, it became downright dangerous, wanting to oscillate and wallow, and the front would hop when cornering. I tried adjusting the front suspension to compensate with no luck...I ended up leaving the topcase at home for my trip. I LOVED the power, (one of the fastest 0-60 bikes out there) but I wasn't willing to put lots of $$ toward the bike to make it better. Add to that the Heat issues, The awful turbulence from the windscreen (no matter what position) the limited lean angle, handlebar buzz, and the extra weight, and my FJR was sold quickly. The VFR is a much nicer machine for most things, except for the more aggressive riding position. Don't get me wrong, the FJR is a great machine, and it's fit and fin!
ish are superior to the VFR, and it has fully adjustable front forks. It just needs a lot of refinement, and it is definitely much more of a TOURER than sport compared to the VFR. Perhaps the latest generation FJR is much better??
> QAM
> 2000 VFR
> 2006 Dodge Charger Hemi Daytona
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thatman311@xxxxxx [mailto:thatman311@xxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Burgess
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:03 PM
> To: quint.marcaletti@xxxxxx
> Cc: vfr@xxxxxx
> Subject: Re: touring bike:
>
> Interesting comment. I've been with a couple of people who have 2-up
> toured on the FJR and they had no problems and the bike didn't look
> loaded down.
>
> -Chris
>
> On 9/13/06, Quint A Marcaletti wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Look the VFR is not a good two up touring bike unless the rider and
> > the passenger is like 220 combined. For this you need something
> > bigger. A FJR, a RT, a Connie or something in those likes is what you
> > need. I'm surprised your rear subframe hasn't cracked or broken off
> > yet with that sort of overloading on the bike."
> >
> > The FJR IS NOT a good 2-up touring bike...sure it has plenty of power, but the stock rear suspension and handling are dogshit compared to the VFR. The FJR is just not a great handling bike..it is nowhere near neutral, wanting to oversteer dramatically, and adding even the rear bags in the "hard" setting is overloading the rear spring for me, a 205 pound rider. At least this is the case for my 04 model, and things may have improved for the newer generation. At the very least a new rear spring and damper must be considered.
> > QAM
> > 2000 VFR
> > 2006 Dodge Hemi Charger Daytona
> >
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