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> 1. RE: VFR Down... (Brad Berson)
> 2. Re: VFR Down... (J Richard Ronay)
> 3. Corbin gunfighter (Stephen Hill)
> 4. Re: power increase/ THE NUMBERS - What will be next for you?
> (Fred Wills)
> 5. Re: Help needed (Marvin thMechanic)
> 6. Re: Help needed (vic5491@xxxxxx)
> 7. WOTL - What will be next for you? (Sean)
> 8. Re: power increase/ THE NUMBERS - What will be next for you?
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 01:29:47 -0400
>From: "Brad Berson"
>Subject: RE: VFR Down...
>To: "J Richard Ronay" , "vfr"
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>I'm married into a family of attorneys.
>
>It's STILL a long, drawn out hassle.
>
>NY being a non- no-fault state, the lawsuit's a definite.
>
>But it's still a friggin' hassle, and the truth is no amount of money
>can make this better.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J Richard Ronay [mailto:ronaylaw@xxxxxx]
> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 1:18 AM
> To: Brad Berson; vfr
> Subject: Re: VFR Down...
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> Brad Berson wrote:
>
>
> Sure it's all on the other driver. As if that helps. Bike
>insurance covers the bike. Medical insurance covers me, though
>deductibles are another matter. Nothing covers my pain and aggravation.
>Lawsuits take years and require more aggravation themselves.
>
> _________________________
>
>
>
> Whoa, Brad. Ordinarily I keep my professional persona as far
>from my viffering as possible. But not now.
>
> When a person's personal injury and property damage are caused
>through the fault of another there certainly is something that covers
>pain and aggravation. It called damages (read $$) for "pain and
>suffering" and you've got it in spades. You're also entitled to all
>(no deductable!) the expense of your property damage, medical
>treatmernt, rehab, long term care, lost wages, etc.
>
> If the other dirver had insurance and was clearly at fault, a
>settlement of your claim should not take years.
>
> Such cases are taken on by lawyers on a contingent fee basis so
>the client doesn't pay up front. I can't believe you don't have lawyers
>beating your door down to take your case. Sometimes this unseemly
>behavior in the legal profession leads some of us to conclude that such
>claims are a scam or bogus or immoral in some way. And sometimes they
>are. But not in your case! Cut through the shysters and get yourself
>a good lawyer.
>
>
> Richard Ronay, (Esq.)
> Southern Maryland
> '90 VFR
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>Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 01:42:54 -0400
>From: "J Richard Ronay"
>Subject: Re: VFR Down...
>To: "Brad Berson" , "vfr"
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>...and the truth is no amount of money can make this better.
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>No, but after you're feeling a little better and thinking about getting
on with things (like riding), it sure can help.
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>May you heal well and fully.
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>Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 22:43:06 -0700
>From: Stephen Hill
>Subject: Corbin gunfighter
>To: VFR discussion group
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>Hi, I have been lurking on this list for sometime now in digest mode, and
seldom if ever post a message.
>
>I have a 1999 VFR with a Corbin gunfighter and lady seat with a hole in
the seat for the backrest. What is used to cover up the hole when the
backrest is out? I think I have seen velcro hinged tabs on some Corbin
seats but in my case there is nothing and the hole looks kind of
unfinished and a bit ugly. I guess I could make up some kind of plug with
a cover but wondered what others use.
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>Thanks,
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>Stephen Hill
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>Message: 4
>Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 08:11:58 -0400
>From: Fred Wills
>Subject: Re: power increase/ THE NUMBERS - What will be next for you?
>To: Sean , "VFR List (Post)"
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>Sean wrote:
>
>>+1 on that. I am about half your age and I want something sporty
looking
>>and fun to ride that is also comfortable. A bike that can take my wife
and
>>I with three days luggage 600+ miles a day without pain. We just did
1,600
>>miles in 72 hours, http://www.seantmurphy.com/VFR/#The_Dragon_5_5_2007
and
>>the Viffer was great. I have Gen Mar risers on the bike and I still
want to
>>be back 2 more inches. Now that the VFR is dead after this year, my
search
>>has begun... Triumph Sprint ST? BMW F800ST or R1200ST? Ducati ST3?
None
>>of those have all the features of the VFR...
>>
>>What are you (WOTL) considering and why?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Sean T Murphy
>>2003 VFR800A - 23,000+ miles
>>The Dragon, The Wolf, and Cherohala: Check
>>Orlando, FL
>>http://www.SeanTMurphy.com/VFR
>>
>>
>Sean,
>
>Based on the fact that you have installed lowering links on a VFR, I
>have to assume that you are a pretty small guy. The VFR is actually a
>bit crowded for me (at 6'2" - 210) and two up on it is really not a
>valid option, even though my wife is a diminutive 5'1", 115 lbs. So my
>requirements and experience are not identical to yours. There is no way
>that I, or probably the vast majority of "American sized" folks out
>there, could ever experience the degree of comfort and versatility that
>you do on your VFR.
>
>That said, the answer may not be in buying some new super-versatile
>machine to "do-it-all", but instead buying a new(er) machine that
>compliments your old beloved VFR. That is what I have done and I am not
>at all disappointed in the FJR's performance, even though it is portly
>in comparison, because when I feel the need for a sporty ride the old
>'98 is ready and waiting in it's stall.
>
>By the way, as I'm sure you already know, 23k is nothing. At your
>current pace could keep that VFR another dozen years easily and if you
>had a 2nd bike and spread you mileage out it would also increase the
>viffer's longevity. That is my plan anyhow...
>
>--
>
>-Fred W
>
>'98 Honda VFR800Fi SPORTtourer
>'05 Yammi FJR1300 SPORTTOURER
>
>
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 06:07:24 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Marvin thMechanic
>Subject: Re: Help needed
>To: "vic5491@xxxxxx" , vfr@xxxxxx
>Message-ID: <28274.32516.qm@xxxxxx>
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>--- "vic5491@xxxxxx" wrote:
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>> The WOTL is very much needed! I am in a hell of a
>> bind and at a total loss as to what to do.
>>
>*** I realize this is a long shot, but if anyone near
>your route could abstain from riding for a week or so
>and loan your their working R/R, take it off their VFR
>if necessary, then you could continue without delay,
>if the R/R is the actual problem. I know I would do
>it for you in that situation, maybe someone near where
>you are traveling will. Or, if all else fails, maybe
>you could find a Honda dealer on Tuesday morning that
>would remove the R/R from a floor model for you. That
>doesn't seen too demanding, under the circumstances.
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 06:53:02 -0700 (PDT)
>From: "vic5491@xxxxxx"
>Subject: Re: Help needed
>To: info.rockies@xxxxxx, vfr@xxxxxx
>Message-ID: <651465.48144.qm@xxxxxx>
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>Randy, I am headed to WM this am (in just minutes) to have the battery
tested. You are the second person who suggested it could just be a
failing battery. If there is even a hint of a problem I will replace it.
Hope they have one in stock. Then on to the other tests! Gotta get
moving. Thanks a million for the help.
>
> Vic
>
>info.rockies@xxxxxx wrote:
>
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>From: "vic5491@xxxxxx"
>> The WOTL is very much needed! I am in a hell of a bind and at a total
loss as
>> to what to do.
>
>(snip)
>
>Vic,
>
>If the one you bought as a spare is not the upgraded unit, it too may be
toast. You can still check the stator even if it had a failure mode that
was only in effect when hot. You should be able to run the bike without
the stator connected to the R/R and take voltage measurements at the plug
(be very careful not to short the phases to one another). Hopefully if you
have a meter along, it will measure a/c as well as DC (has to be set to a/c
to measure the stator output). I'd suggest measuring the stator resistance
too. Have you checked to see what the voltage does when the high beams are
on? Also, if you have a DMM (digital multimeter), most have a diode check
setting and you can use it to check the R/R diodes. Given the number of
R/R failures, I'd suspect it before anything else, but... you can do the
checks on the rest of the system to rule other components out. As an
alternative, consider putting in an R/R from another make of bike if a
lister can provide one or a
> different brand
>s deaeler has one in stock- As an emergency measure, you could cut off
the connector from one of your R/R's and splice it onto the non-OEM one
with crimp connects. It should really be soldered, but crimps will get you
by... unless you want to stop at a Radio Shack somewhere and get a
soldering iron and some heat shrink. Without more info (eg, resistance of
the stator windings, output voltage of the stator, diode checks on R/R,
condition of wiring and connectors all round, it's hard for anyone to
offer you much help.
>
>Oh... and, just because your battery is two years old doesn't mean that
it's fine. Realistically to troubleshoot properly, you need to get it on
charge overnight, and perform a load test, although the loads you'd have
to test it with may be inadequate, unless you've got electric gear along
-then with a full charge, you can turn every accessory on (bike not
running) and put the high beams on, and check what the voltage does... if
it drops below ten or so, your battery probably needs replacing. Inspect
the battery connections carefully to be sure they are tight also, if you
haven't already.
>
>Hope that you can fix it and continue your trip as planned.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Randy
>
>'98 VFR
>
>
>
>From: "vic5491@xxxxxx"
>To: vfr@xxxxxx
>Subject: Help needed
>Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 03:03:15 +0000
>
> The WOTL is very much needed! I am in a hell of a bind and at a total
loss as to what to do.
>
> For quite sometime I have been planning an 8,000 mile trip out west
(from Atlanta to San Diego, up to Vancouver and then wander back across
the Rockies. I put new tires on the 99, did the valve check, checked and
cleaned all electrical connectors, fresh oil, filter, bought Givi 360 bags
and rack. While I have never had a moments problem with my electrical
system, I found and bought a spare rectifier off of a wrecked bike a
couple of years ago. Further, my daughter wanted to go for part of the
trip so we bought her an airline ticked to San Diego and a return from
Denver plus all new riding gear. I carefully planned the route and viewed
this as a trip of a lifetime for a dad / daughter.
>
> Yesterday I headed out for San Diego from Atlanta with numerous
interesting detours planned along the way. Less than 100 miles from home
my charging voltage started a slow march downward. When it became
apparent this was not a momentary drop but an indicator of something
really wrong, I got off the interstate. Before I could get off the road,
the gauges reset themselves. Stopped, turned the bike off, waited about
15 minutes and cranked it. It was slow to turn over but caught and much
to my dismay, charging went back to normal and remained that way for an
additional 200 miles. When I got to Jackson, MS I felt fine (now 400
miles into day one) so I decided to go on down to Natchez, MS on the
Natchez Trace and spend the night there. That would make day one 500
miles and a good start on the trip. As I approached the Trace exit off of
I-20, the damn problem reappeared again so I went back to Jackson, got a
room and put on the spare rectifier. All looked good today for
> the first 200 miles and then it started again. It dropped down to 12.3
and 12.4 a good bit for about 20 miles. I then stopped for gas and to my
surprise, when I shut down the engine, the battery was showing 12.7 V. I
figured it would be close to drained but it wasn't. I'd question my VM
but it read the failure perfectly the first time which was validated by
the fact that the gauges reset and it barely cranked. So I get gas and
crank it again. This time it started strongly and low and behold, it
began charging properly again and did so for the short time I rode it to
my stop for the night. A new quirk has now appeared however. In the
past, at idle (1100 rpm), it usually indicated a charge of 12.4 or maybe
12.3. Now about half the time it shows a charge of 12.7 or 12.6 at idle!
>
> Another quirk. When the voltage drops, if I slow down the voltage goes
up. While I have always gotten the max charge at about 1800 rpm (13.8 or
so with an occassional 14.1), I would not have expected to see this still
happening in a near failure mode but it is. Even after the 12.3 run, when
slowed down for a light near the gas station I noticed that it was back up
around 13.8 as it passed through the magic 1800 rpm range.
>
> The bike has been shut off now for several hours and the VM is
indicating a charge of 12.6 so I don't think this is an indicator of a bad
battery. I put a new Yuasa in about 2 years ago.
>
> Were I at home, this would not be tragic but this is Memorial Day
weekend, shops will not open until Tuesday morning and by then I need to
be another 7 or 800 miles down the road to San Diego or I will not be
there when my daughter arrives. Furthermore, no dealers are going to
carry the new and improved RR in stock so even if I order one on Tuesday,
I will not see it before I am supposed to be in SD. If I thought I would
make it to SD, I would order one and have it shipped to my cousin out
there but I am not at all comfortable gambling that I would make it.
>
> If anyone has one of the new RRs that they have not yet installed, I
would very much appreciate it if you would FedEx it to me. I will cover
the cost of the RR and the FedEx charges. Other than that, I do not see a
way to deal with this.
>
> Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. I am at a total loss
as to what to do. I could cancel the trip and just lose this great
opportunity and the cost of airfare, etc. but I sure would hate to do
that. I was so looking forward to this trip I can't begin to tell you
what a let down it would be to have to do that. On the other hand, being
standed in the middle of the desert 100 miles from civilization does not
sound good either. Yes, I have the Honda Tow in Policy but I am still
going to be stranded somewhere for close to a week and fail to meet my
daughter in SD as planned.
>
> If anyone has a magic wand, please come to my rescue! LOL
>
> Vic
>
> PS. I guess a bad stator could also play into this. Problem is the
problem only presents itself when the system is hot. By the time I tried
to take readings on the stator, the bike would have cooled enough for them
to be meaningless!
>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 13:51:42 -0400
>From: "Sean"
>Subject: WOTL - What will be next for you?
>To: "'VFR List \(Post\)'" ,
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>Fred et al,
>
>Great points and yes, you are correct, I am <160 lbs wet and about 5'10"
>with ~32" inseam. Yes, I only put a few hundred a week on and could keep
>the VFR for a fair bit... but I like to get a new toy every half decade,
>2008 is my year for a new one and I don't want to have to insure and
>maintain two. You are correct again in your observation that there are a
>myriad of variables, from body type to riding style, looks to
engineering,
>tangible to intangible... ad infinitum. Motorcycles are as personal as
>shoes, you have to try them on, and there is no panacea... "A fronte
>praecipitium a tergo lupi".
>
>Be that as it may, it is not an oil thread so with that let us have some
>fun, shall we? ;-)
>
>The Usual Suspects: http//www.SeanTMurphy.com/VFR/next. Specs of the
>options and the list can vote on their choice. Send me your options to
add
>to the list. Those are the ones on my short list.
>
>Cheers,
>Sean T Murphy
>2003 VFR800A - 24,000+ miles
>The Dragon, The Wolf, and Cherohala: Check
>
>Orlando, FL
>http://www.SeanTMurphy.com/VFR
>
>"I'm not even supposed to be here today."
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: Fred Wills [mailto:fjwills@xxxxxx]
>Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:12 AM
>To: Sean; VFR List (Post)
>Subject: Re: power increase/ THE NUMBERS - What will be next for you?
>
>Sean wrote:
>
>>+1 on that. I am about half your age and I want something sporty
looking
>>and fun to ride that is also comfortable. A bike that can take my wife
and
>>I with three days luggage 600+ miles a day without pain. We just did
1,600
>>miles in 72 hours, http://www.seantmurphy.com/VFR/#The_Dragon_5_5_2007
and
>>the Viffer was great. I have Gen Mar risers on the bike and I still
want
>to
>>be back 2 more inches. Now that the VFR is dead after this year, my
search
>>has begun... Triumph Sprint ST? BMW F800ST or R1200ST? Ducati ST3?
None
>>of those have all the features of the VFR...
>>
>>What are you (WOTL) considering and why?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Sean T Murphy
>>2003 VFR800A - 23,000+ miles
>>The Dragon, The Wolf, and Cherohala: Check
>>Orlando, FL
>>http://www.SeanTMurphy.com/VFR
>>
>>
>Sean,
>
>Based on the fact that you have installed lowering links on a VFR, I
>have to assume that you are a pretty small guy. The VFR is actually a
>bit crowded for me (at 6'2" - 210) and two up on it is really not a
>valid option, even though my wife is a diminutive 5'1", 115 lbs. So my
>requirements and experience are not identical to yours. There is no way
>that I, or probably the vast majority of "American sized" folks out
>there, could ever experience the degree of comfort and versatility that
>you do on your VFR.
>
>That said, the answer may not be in buying some new super-versatile
>machine to "do-it-all", but instead buying a new(er) machine that
>compliments your old beloved VFR. That is what I have done and I am not
>at all disappointed in the FJR's performance, even though it is portly
>in comparison, because when I feel the need for a sporty ride the old
>'98 is ready and waiting in it's stall.
>
>By the way, as I'm sure you already know, 23k is nothing. At your
>current pace could keep that VFR another dozen years easily and if you
>had a 2nd bike and spread you mileage out it would also increase the
>viffer's longevity. That is my plan anyhow...
>
>--
>
>-Fred W
>
>'98 Honda VFR800Fi SPORTtourer
>'05 Yammi FJR1300 SPORTTOURER
>
>
>
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>Message: 8
>Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 16:38:12 EDT
>From: ForsaleinFL@xxxxxx
>Subject: Re: power increase/ THE NUMBERS - What will be next for you?
>To: vfr@xxxxxx
>Message-ID:
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><>
>
>Hmmm....If I had to buy something new, and the VFR is off the table, I'd
look
>@ the FJR1300R or ST1300 probably. I've already got a zx10R+ and a
GSXR750
>(track bike) so I guess I'd need something comfy and fast. BMW? No way. I
could
>buy two bikes for the price of a decent Beemer.
>
>-greginLA
>
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