Anyone with the 8th generation know why Honda did not put out a 1000 instead of the 800?

Discussion in '8th Generation 2014-Present' started by Bubba Utah, Jul 5, 2016.

  1. fatshoutybloke

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    No, I think it's the can which looks far too long, and the fact it's not cylindrical but flares out slightly from link pipe to exit.
     
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    It means exactly that. kind of. Some places you might not want to take your bike is East Los Angeles or the Campus at BYU.

    Badges are most identified as metal shields or escutcheons. They can also be decals. They can be called many things. I know a guy who calls his badge Elvis.
     
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    Sorry bro you forgot about the 919, 929 & 954
     
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    I see what you are saying badbilly, I will not use term badging again. But, I will not be going into East L.A. (No Crypt or Bloods issue for me.;-)! The comment of the "Campus of BYU" Hell Ya I will! I long to ride this bike on the BYU campus this fall and add a U of U sticker on it as well as add a Utes Flag when I go down there!;-) The last time I did that (and I did) was with my Candy Apple Red 1995 Kawasaki Gpz1000! I had a brother living down there going to school. The color is part of the reason that I bought the bike (besides performance, engineering, Insurance and not to mention the price of $8000.00 out the door with taxes and licensing. Damn Glad that I did not pay the $12,000 plus in 2014). I have owned 5 bikes to date and 3 of the previous were red and the only exception was the 2007 Suzuki Sv1000s that was the metallic copper color. Now back to red or "Big Red" after 20years. Have a great night.



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    The official badges for the Crips and Bloods is either red or blue. I like a Big
    Red and a moon pie. This is considered a fully balanced meal in parts of Texas. Not a clue aboot the meals in South Central LA.



    Red, white and green are the official colors in Esla. A few words in Spanglish helps too. Adios is good.

    Red on bikes is popular. Honda makes a lot of those decisions for us.

    The last time I was on a LDS "campus", I stopped for a couple of minutes to read a map. A guard came oot of his little temple and told me I had to move. Never heard of a church needing a guard. The dude was not packing so we compromised. I didn't move.

    More on Big Red:http://www.wideopencountry.com/10-things-didnt-know-big-red-soda/
     
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    Only just seen Mohawk's post here. He was on my trip and it's my 1200:-

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3gknf8guchcfdwl/AACirVa4EcpaHBSs_hCH16coa?dl=0

    In the middle of new mods for this year, but some health issues scuppered that. Briefly, it'll be red, tidier intakes, Cruise Control, new h/bar switchgear and no throttle cables.

    Irrespective of minor mods like that, it's a terrific bike. Fabulous engine, handles great and no chain to adjust. Yes it's heavier than my FireBlade equivalent, but ultimately, no slower and if you take into account the time saved by not having to adjust and lubricate the chain (and clean the back of the bike) it's actually quicker. ;)
     
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    Looks Great Ken!
     
  8. cayman

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    It will be interesting to see what Honda does next with the VFR. The time is right for a refresh. Now that the 2018 Goldwing has been revealed, we know where all Honda's engineering resources have been for the last 3+ years. Meanwhile the competition is breathing new life into the V4 engine layout. Perhaps that will prompt Honda to follow up with at least a minor update to the VFR800 in the near future. That's right, an 800cc engine. No bigger please. I'd even like to see a return to 750cc. With modern tech, you can get more power without the weight and cost of a larger engine.

    "But the Ninja 1000 [or insert your bigger bike here] has more power", I can already hear. Yes, and the Kaw also has an inferior gearbox, worse fuel economy, the vibration is unbearable on long rides, and despite being lighter than a VFR800, it rides taller and feels less flickable. You also won't shake a competent VFR pilot when canyon carving on your green machine. I'll gladly take a VFR.

    You all had your chance to buy a VFR1200 and I don't see a Shamu in hardly anyone's driveways. We all could have bored or stroked a VFR800 by now, and how many people have done so? Have you gone to a tuner and remapped your fuel injection for a quick 15 hp gain? Dynamo Humm didn't get your business. Well there you go. Despite what the moto rags and online whiners claim, there just aren't enough people willing to pay what it takes to have a bigger more powerful bike they claim to need and desire.

    Believe it or not, there is such a thing as too big. Part of the reason the 3rd through 5 generation VFRs were such huge successes is because they were right at the happy medium. Honda proved the best bike in the real world is more than the sum of the parts. The VFR is a sports tourer which almost by definition means that it will come in second place in all tests compared to more focused machines. It's still the one bike to own if you can't afford a fleet of motos. If you want a faster bike, take more rider training and track days, because even a 3rd generation VFR is more than enough machine for just about anyone who isn't a GP racer. Does moving to a different class of bike mean more profit for Honda or more fun for you? Liter plus bikes across the board are almost all heavier, thirstier, and more costly, harder to meet emissions tests, and harder to sell in regions with high insurance rates and taxes based on engine displacement. So stop asking Honda to take another financial bath on attempting to enlarge its most perfect midweight bike after it blew its wad on a big VFR1200 that you didn't buy.

    I think we all agree that Honda needs to remove weight and modestly bump power to perhaps 115 hp to keep up with the Joneses. Not add displacement to chase the 130+ hp sportbikes that need traction control systems to prevent you from actually using that horsepower and killing yourself. Also, there are at least as many people here installing bar risers and luggage as there are people modifying engine and suspension for performance. That tells you Honda is hitting the sweet spot overall. Where Honda started to lose its way with the VFR was letting costs get out of control, and VTEC is just one example of that. While VTEC is reliable and effective at extending the flexibility of the engine, it isn't the answer people prefer and it isn't a profit enhancing feature. Some just don't want to think about a transition point or keep the engine on boil above the valve transition RPM. I do think to some whiners, perhaps if you can't adapt to it, or if you like V-twin RPM riding, then perhaps the V4 isn't the engine for you anyway. But it's time for Honda to move on with more sophisticated and cheaper solutions to enhance both efficiency and power.

    Bottom line, the 9th generation VFR, I propose, has the potential to offer increased power and efficiency without adding any displacement. If there isn't enough development money to offer both, then I would much rather see the next VFR lose 15% mass than increase power 15%.

    Other improvements:
    1) one model, not two. the base and "DLX" models don't justify themselves. Make every model include a quickshifter and all the DLX goodies except ditch the the traction control and make the center stand an easy to install option.
    2) kill off VTEC, replace with easy user selectable drive modes which will instantly affect responsiveness and fuel mapping, etc. across the entire rev range
    3) Completely reengineer the pannier cases and supports. A bike without panniers shouldn't be carrying the structure needed to support cases. The mounts are fiddly and the cases small in capacity for how big they look.
    4) make the exhaust smaller and ~3 kg lighter still.
    5) 3 position seat adjustability up and down: increase range, 30.5 to 32 inches ideally
    6) more waterproof underseat storage volume if possible
    7) improve the aero and lighten up the bodywork -- less underbody and lower body plastic, better intake ram air, easier slider installation without drilling. Bodywork is a big part of what makes Hondas expensive compared to lesser bikes.
    8) offer 3 colors in all markets. red and black and something else (maybe not white, which I think has been a sales flop)
    9) maintenance free final drive. could be a Scottoiler like thing or a belt. Probably not a shaft drive, which is too heavy
    10) include a waterproof USB-C electrical outlet on the dash for future proofing
    11) -15% mass versus the 8th generation VFR800 DLX: 450 pounds max, wet and ready to roll
    12 .... what else?
     
  9. GatorGreg

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    That's crazy talk! Pearl White is by far the best looking color AND the chicks dig it! (See pic below LOL). I can remember lusting for the white VFRs when I was a kid in the 80's and it was one of the major selling points for me in my decision to get my 8th gen. As far as white being a "sales flop", let me remind you that ALL 8th gens were a sales flop :D (at least in the USA). However, don't forget that total motorcycle sales in the USA also flopped big time as a result of the recession - going from 1.1 million in 2007 down to about half a million in 2014, so I think the economy should get much of the blame along with changing taste for nakeds, etc.

    But I would suggest to you that white was LESS of a flop than red and that you owe the white VFRs a big apology :D. As proof, I'll repost below the results of a little survey I posted here back in February showing that 3 times as many leftover 8th gens were red compared to white and that the leftover whites were commanding a premium price over the red (at least in my area):

    Just ran the same 400 mile search for Orlando for new 8th gens and here's what I found:
    30 total (23 red, 7 white)
    Cheapest red base $7,999 in Fort Pierce
    Cheapest white base $9,299 in Tampa
    Cheapest red deluxe $9,299 in both Conyers and Lawrenceville GA
    Cheapest white deluxe "request price" (there's only 1) in Pensacola
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    It's not my insistence, it's just a fact: Honda's corporate motorsports color and best signature calling card is RED. You know, like Ferrari, Ducati, Sammy Hagar and stuff. Ask anyone.

    Maybe your sun belt region got the all white ones or maybe your ladies of the night drew them in. The only proof of popularity is if you call Honda and get actual sales data. Price gouging based on rarity (or limited supply) doesn't prove anything. Just count the years Honda offered white. If they sold well, they would be offered more years. Seriously people.
     
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    Sorry, will be a few days, still trawling the forum but it's not looking good...........
     
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    Nelix, the Honda VFR cases are 38 inches wide. T H I R T Y E I G H T I N C H E S. That is a fat ass for only 29 liters of storage. There's a notch out the bottom of each side -- one on the right to clear the too-long exhaust canister, one on the left for no legitimate reason. Clipping them in is more fiddly than most systems I've used. They are rated for only 13 pounds carry capacity each because the mounts are NOT well engineered. Honda can do better than this cheap Yamaha FJR imitation setup. You may have lower standards.

    Oh, and next time you want to critique someone's comment online with a snide remark, you might want to make an intelligent comment yourself.
     
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    Lol, butthurtRus.
    It''s a forum, you spout crap, which you did, someone will call you on it.
    You may want to look at a world atlas, "sun belt region" lol.
     
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    My final words to you, you incivil prick:

    Greg lives in Florida, aka, "The Sunshine State".

    Honda has sold many more red VFRs than any color. Everyone knows it.

    Sod off.
     
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    Chill noobie, you made a dumb comment and got called for it, lost the argument and resorted to abusive language.
     
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    Have you been drinking Sammy's tequila? :D What does this have to do with your statement that you think white VFRs were a sales flop (with no evidence to back it up)? By your twisted logic, black and silver VFRs would have also been a sales flop - yet you chose to only pick on white VFRs. If Sammy was able to apologize for the things he said about VH than it's not too late for you to apologize for the things you said about the white VFR. I'll be the first to forgive you if you do! LOL

     
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    Have you had a look at any other bikes pannier systems? There are quite a few out there with cut outs as you put it. I have no problem fitting them on my bike whatsoever. I will agree that they could have been made up to say 35 litres. You obviously own a base model.
     
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    I chuckled a bit at how boring and stroking the current engine by a few mm's will somehow add weight....
     
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