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  1. OOTV

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    Have to say that you’re doing good, I like the pictures and videos too. Pics and videos can be your friend when putting everything back together, so keep up on those. Make sure, especially on the important fasteners, you torque them down properly and double check them before putting the fairings back on. I’m sure you know, support is only a post away if you need it.

    Regarding that bottom bolt on the fork legs, always easier to break it loose with the front wheel on, this gives more downward force on the fork slider, which in turn helps keep tension on the fork innards, which like to spin inside the fork leg when removing the bottom bolt. All you need to do is break the tension and then you can remove the wheel and forks from the triple clamps, then remove the bolt. Once the top cap and bottom bolt are removed, oil will flow rather quickly. Although many will reuse the crush washer, if it’s in good shape you probably can too but you might want to pick those up just in case. The last few I had on the forks I worked on, were on the cusp of reuse.
     
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    Thank you sooo much for these advices! Taking a peak up there it seems to take a size 6 hex. But I don't have a hex socket narrow and long enough to get up there...assuming a socket is the best tool to use?

    Anything else? I do not have a vice, so it would be good to loosen these as you say before removal.
     
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    I bought a 3/8” to metric hex wrench set from Harbor Frieght for less than $10, if I remember that correctly, the hex shaft is rather long so it would fit through the fork bottom and engage the bolt with plenty of room to spare for the ratchet to not hit the fork tube. Although I have previously used a long “L”shaped hex wrench with an adjustable wrench on the short end without issues, so that might be an option. Just an FYI, most large auto parts store chains do rent tools, so if you cannot located the tool for purchase, you can always look at renting it.
     
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    This is what I have. Was your set any longer than these? This socket stops at the fork bottom where indicated with the arrow in photo. Ichiban DIY measuring tool at its finest. My calipers be to fancy for this haha

    Would a longer piece stay engaged well enough? I could gotry to find a socket that is straight cut all the way down.

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    Anyone know what this device is called? Photo from service manual. I'm brainstorming how to recreate this with what I have.

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    NVM...just think I figured that out. Some type of bar that you attach a socket to. Anyone know what it's called?
     
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    Exactly the bolt I was referring to on the bottom of the forks.

    Interesting, and really good information - I hadn't done it this way before, but I can see how that would certainly make this part easier. Definitely giving this one a try myself when I do mine next!! Thanks!!
     
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    A.M, I am impressed with your efforts, and wanted to share in the pain. So while removing the oil filter during my oil change today, I decided to take some skin off of my finger with one of the starter mounting bolts next to the filter.

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    Sympathy post.

    Keep up the good work.
     
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    When you go to take off that bolt on the bottom of the fork make real sure that the hex head is all the way in the bolt. If you strip the head in the fork it will be no fun trying to remove it. If the bolt doesn't want to come out try using a 3/8 pin punch on the bolt and give it a hit with a hammer, you can also just hit the hex socket but a punch is better. Also before you take the forks out make sure you crack the top nut on the fork or you will have to re install the fork and tighten the pinch bolt on the fork to hold it so you can undo the top nut. When you reassemble things I am pretty sure that the bolt on the bottom of the fork also requires Loctite.
     
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    WOW, I'm so sorry! But gotta say that's some amazing loyalty to the cause of motoing! Almost identical place too. Hope the flesh wound heals up fast! Mine isn't LOL
    Thank You! Hope the rest of your job was blood free!
     
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    BCAl, good point about making sure the hex is all the way in...

    I took one look up under there and thought WOW at how shallow that head is in the bolt...and I better be careful.

    I made sure to use sharp cut hex tool rather than the more beveled one. But I wasn't going to force it.
    A couple decent tries and I stopped.

    Nor was I going to force the caps which I couldn't remove either.

    I pulled the tubes anyway after a mongo fight with the handle bars.

    And now I think...

    Do I liquid wrench the caps and reinstall to losen?

    Do I try to impact the bottom bolt loose?

    Do I liquid wrench that bolt? Apply heat? Try again?

    Do I bring these tubes to shop and have the oil replaces for $80?

    OOTV? How did you try the bottom bolt with front wheel on? I removed the axle since it was in the way of accessing the bolt and left the side collars on as much as I could to help hold when in place. But I be no luck.

    Thank you for all your helps today!
     
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    So today was spent tinkering with gasket after soaking it in old oil. Made some headway. What else can I do to get at these stubborn areas?

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    I also messed with the front on my super safe moto stand. :/

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    I am nervous how long this is acceptable pressure on the headers ... I'm feeling like wanting to temporarily replace the tubes until I make a decision on those. Support under them seems a better choice.

    What do you think?

    So far besides some serious clean left and fork tube decisions, moto is ready to be out back together after I wire up the stator. :)

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    Hoping for a ride next weekend and hope I no die.

    Still the most nerve wracking thing is the upcoming oil change. Good thing that's the last. Maybe one of you will have time to get out here by then...

    Videos from tonight.



     
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    Hey AM, maybe a plastic scraper or plastic razor blades? But, before you go out and buy something, if you have any leftover plastic cards (e.g. old credit cards, gift cards, starbucks cards, etc), you could try sharpening (chisel grind) one side on a stone or sand paper and using that to scrape the leftover gasket material... I've used razor blades before but I wouldn't recommend it - you could mar the aluminum...
     
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    If you have access to an impact wrench then most definitely use that. It is the most stress free way to remove those
    bolts from the bottom of the forks. In fact sometimes it's the only way.

    Looks good overall though.
     
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    Regarding the gaskets .... get yourself some steel wool. Soak the gasket areas with brake / contact cleaner, and then scrub. You can also try using the green scubbies for dishes that have the foam sponge on the other side. It's a bit of elbow grease but works well.

    Also, here's Partzilla's recommendations:
     
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    You have to pull the spacers and calipers off but only put the axle partially in the fork tube. You can slide the axle in and through the wheel, and just enough into the fork tube to keep it from rotating and enough room for the hex wrench shaft. Otherwise, impact driver, if you have one, is the other method.
     
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    I've slept on it. Thought on it this morning.

    As much as I would love to open these forks up and take a look and do it myself, and I feel like I could once opened, I risk damaging components because I don't have the strength or the proper tools like a vise and I have never been successful with an impact tool.

    That is one expensive mistake that would be very easy to make that I cannot afford.

    I would love to learn how to do this job if I had someone with me, shadowing, and there to assist with safe removal of the cap and Bolt pieces.

    I tried loosening the bolt as well as the caps with the fork still in place in with a front wheel still slightly on by collars in place and tubes pinched in (but did not try with collars out and axle somewhat in place). Still no luck.

    I'm sure being a male on something like this would really benefit me by giving me more upper body strength.

    I am a strong female but like when I was doing my car brake pads and rotors, I could not break those caliper bolts on my own.

    But my friend came over and sure enough he got them. But those could take a little bit more of a beating, and these forks can't.

    I have the one quote to do them, and will call another place on Tuesday. If I ultimately feel it's too unreasonable of a cost to bring the tubes in, they will just go back on the bike for now.

    Removing them was no big pain except for the handlebars not wanting to come off right away. So it would be no big deal to take the forks off later and have them done this summer.

    So cheers to you all and giving me some tips and trying to help on this issue, and to me making a prudent choice...I think... to just stand down!

    I have to go to work now for the rest of the day. But I'm sure there will be some movement on at least cleaning LOL but later.
     
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    Personally I don't like the idea of steel wool, it will put microscopic scratches in the soft aluminum which may help wick the oil to the outside of the case, plus may leave pieces of the wool embedded in the aluminum. A good soak of the gasket material, then a plastic razor blade, or a credit card as was suggested by Samuel would be the best solution IMO.
     
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