Any go-to advice for riveting a master link?

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  1. faran

    faran New Member

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    Been looking on the internet and found quite a few videos about it.

    I know, everyone has their own way and method to do it.

    I have this tool:[​IMG]

    But I rather use most common and easiest way, which is tried and proven than trying a few of them. So any experienced riders have any suggestions or advice? Thanks in advance :)

    P.S; Chain is a DID one.
     
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    Don't over do it, and don't under do it.
    Most chains will have specifications on the size of the mushroom.
    If not, measure the link width and get it to the sime size, slow and steady wins the day.
    You really need a vernier caliper to measure accurately.
     
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    If you are not sure of the process its well covered in this video from around 30 minutes to the end





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    Go by the instructions included with the tool kit. Slow and easy, and a dial caliper to measure is easier to read than a vernier for those very small measurements.
     
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    Some Master Links come with shims. You press on nice and tight then pull the shims out for proper clearance by the o-rings.
     
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    The push pin on your chain tool should protrude from the tool only as far it must to do the job.
    Less risk of damaging the pin by bend or break.
     
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    Thanks guys, appreciate your advice and skimad your video is very helpful!
     
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    Is the Master Link looking good and done well?

    I tried my best to not go too fast or slow, but can't really tell. Any thoughts? Thanks for the help.
     

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    How much have you swaged out the material of the pin? What is the diameter of the pin now? That's the only way to tell positively. It looks okay
    with no cracking, but pretty hard to tell about the final size.
     
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    In terms of total width of the master link and any normal link it seems to be pretty equal. Though Master link seems to be pushed very slightly more than any normal link.

    Sorry, what do you mean by swaged out? I can measure diameter of both pins and take a few more pictures. Just wanted to make sure it's done well :)

    BTW, rivet pin is not staying inside completely, as mentioned in the video shared by skimad. Hole on the rivet pin is aligning perfectly with master link holes and I don't see any roughness or hole being small. Not sure if I try to rivet it more?
     
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    What is the BEST chain rivet tool? Curious....
     
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    Attaching 2 more pictures for flaring.
     

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    You don't want to try and get it too bag, that's liable to create cracks. When I mentioned swaging, I was talking about how much material has been moved from the center of the rivet pin. IOW what is the rivet diameter now that you've worked it? That is what determines if you've done enough work.
     
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    That makes perfect sense I understand it. I don't have a vernier caliper, so need to see how I can take a measurement.

    To actually see overall movement of the pin.
     
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    If you havr the owners manusl, the exact size of the mushroomed rivet is told, you need a caliper yo measure it. My chain kit has a "go-no-go" gauge. Peace

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    Yeah so it looks like I am short by ~1 mm in terms of mushroom rivet or flaring pins. I can still continue to flare the pin, is there a possibility that I'll crack it or can cause any damage?
     
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    The manual calls for a final diameter of 5.55-5.85 mm. So I'm guessing you're around 4.5mm. Yes, you can crack the the head if you go too
    far. But there's the remote possibility that the link will come off if you don't get it the correct size. Take your pick. :)
     
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    Alright, so I mushroomed it again and bought a vernier caliper to measure it. Now I think, it's off by ~0.1-0.2mm from lowest range for DID chain.

    Should I continue to flare or leave it as-is? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks again. Too chicken to damage the master link.
     
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    What does it actually measure? It's easier than trying to figure out what you mean by
    saying "it's off by ~0.1-0.2mm from lowest range for DID chain". The Honda manual
    gives you a range of around .3 mm. New masterlinks aren't very expensive, and it would
    be better to ruin one than run the risk of not having it on correctly.

    What is the actual diameter of a unflared rivet, and what is the diameter of the rivet you now have?
     
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    Thank, it's for a Yamaha motorcycle and DID suggests for flared pin diameter to be between ~5.60-5.90mm.

    Using vernier caliper I can see riveted one is ~5.5mm and any normal link diameter is 5.6mm, so I think I am off by ~0.1-0.2mm for an acceptable range.

    Hopefully I am making sense now?
     
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