Any one Dark Siding?

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  1. jorgescar69

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    any one riding dark side on a vfr?
     
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    Why would you want to?
     
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    Not on a VFR, but on a Burgman 650:

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    Reasons?
    Regular moto-specific tires cost $100-$160 each, replace every 8-9k miles... car tire (winter/ice) $60-80, last well over 20k miles.
    Better ride quality for highway riding, two-up riding and heavy load carrying.
    Since car tires have higher capacity for supporting weight and directional forces, Winter/ice tires have softer compound, quicker warm-up; theoretically better suited for lighter vehicle application.

    I've put well over 30k miles on car tires mounted on Burgman 650 scooters, only time I have to replace the car tire was because of sidewall cut that buldged up.
    Running over nails on the tread on NJ Turnpk and I rode the car tire flat for 4-5 miles to a Turnpk gas station (which refused to plug the tire), filled up tire with air and kept riding for another 12 miles to another gas station to get it plugged, then 70+ miles home. Plug worked for another 12k miles on the scooter.

    Turning/leaning transition can be unnerving at first, but like any new tire mounted on your bike, you need to get used to how it rides for you.
    Learning how to ride a new tire that's mounted on your bike is something any decent rider would do.
    I have no problem keeping up with sport bike riders in aggressive riding on public roads with my Burgman with car tire mounted, could be just the Burgman carries most of its weight down low near the ground. Never taken the Burgman on the track though.

    For 2-wheel vehicles that are top heavy, It would probably be a sharper learning curve to get accustom to the car tire transition. If you know that you ride lots of highway miles and tired of replacing expensive moto-specific tires every 6 month, car tire may be a good option for the long run, as long as you know to learn your limits with new tires and aware of the limits.. as any decent rider would.

    AFAIK, there is no car tire narrow enough at 17" diameter... might be difficult to even find a car tire that can be mounted onto stock VFR rear wheel.
     
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    wild.... was just thinking about it
     
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    ^^^ same rider completed 19 Iron Butt Rides using car tire.. zero issues.

    I like to ride my bikes, too... but probably not nearly as much.
     
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    How does it cope when flinging it into the Twisties?
     
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    You don't get chicken strips I assume. :chicken:

    I'm with Ron White here.

     
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    Actually, there is no chicken strip when you use a car tire, unless you are riding on the sidewall of the car tire. :Pound:

    BTW, chicken strips have little to do with rider's ability to ride a bike over long distance on a single tire; which is the purpose of using a car tire. Less tire replacement, less money spent, less down time for the bike.

    No, it may not be scientific research, but GoldWings with car tire mounted have logged well over 10 million miles.

    Cope just as any new tire mounted on your bike would, takes some time to get used to how it behaves and you learn to push it bit by bit until it loses grip.

    Push it beyond its capability and you go down.
     
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    Probably not even "roads" by any normal standards..
     
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    Probably instantly. Why use the wrong tool for the job? If you want to run car tires, go for it. I like being alive, so I'll gladly pay the money for the correct tire. We aren't riding Harley cruisers here or running side hacks. May as well get an extended swingarm and move to Florida. I prefer having a contact patch specifically designed for a machine with an absolutely different set of dynamics, aka motorcycle tire. Jesus, if you are so cheap that bike tires don't last long enough, throw a set of Shinko 009 tires on it. They last a long time and still actually are made to grip on the side of the tire. Anything else is suicide. I can't believe in 2018 anyone would even consider a car tire.

    If ever there was the wrong tool for the job...
     
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    If by Twisties you mean sorry turning right and left onto side streets, probably very carefully.
     
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    I never said that darkside is for everyone, nor have I suggest anyone should use car tire.
    But you never know what tool works well unless you have tried it for specific job that you're trying to do.
    To assume that the application is "wrong tool for the job" without actual experience when others have ridden millions of miles with car tires with zero problem... well..
    Personally, I know myself enough that I have no problem riding a bike with car tire mounted on the rear wheel.
    If you don't feel comfortable to do it, don't do it; but don't knock it unless you know what you're talking about with some practical experience or evidence to support your claims.
     
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    Fair enough. I'll never do it, but I get your point.
     
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    I do have one question. How in the hell do you lean the bike to turn? I mean what are the actual physics involved in getting a car tire with no driveable sidewall to grip when you lean?
     
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    No as in a series of curves, bends of varying radii. Eg tail of the dragon. I haven’t ridden in a city for years.
     
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    A picture I found on inter webby thingy.
     
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    I hate to agree with Lint - but the only time I would even consider this is if there is no other option.

    Using your logic:

    then it makes no sense to wear seat belts in cars (as millions of people don't / haven't & they are not all dead)

    have ABS - as 99.9999999% of the trips you do its just not needed

    wear a helmet - as its not needed ((((until it is - lol))))

    In short,

    I believe the reason Lint said this

    is because its DUMB.

    Use the 'correct tool' for the job.
    There is a reason its designed that way.

    I have screwdrivers, hammers, wrenches, sockets & knowledge.
    I CAN use a screwdriver as a hammer - BUT not when I don't have to.



    FYI.

    Are your braking distances affected >?
    I bet they are - adversely...

    What happens if you need to brake on a corner in the wet?
    ?

    Does this invalidate your insurance>?
    I'll bet it does... good luck claiming in an accident.

    Just because you can do it 'physically' doesn't mean its a good idea.
     
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    Without practical experience or evidence, all your claims are just assumptions, speculations..
    To me, what is dumb is believe in something without evidence.

    You don't have to believe in what I said, but I'm sharing my experience with car tire usage; if you have any experience on this topic, feel free to share yourself.
    Attacking me won't change my previous experience one bit, all 30k plus miles of them.

    If you want to know and find out answers to your questions, all are provided in the links that I posted in my previous post, 33 pages of discussion on the same topic, plenty more in other forums on the internet.
    Do you own research before you assume anything.

    Personally, after 20+ years of riding motorcycles and scooters, I've yet to have insurance company decline any claim to me, regardless what tire I've mounted on my bikes.

    Just because you can't think of a good application for car tire usage, doesn't mean no one else can.
     
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