Countersteering, a must have skill

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  1. PawnBoy

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    Gyroscopic forces don't actually have much to do with it, it's the tracking of the wheels beneath you. Initial counter steer is to initiate the lean, then steering is used to catch the lean and follow the intended turn, then counter steering again to straighten the bike.

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    If you're going really slowly you just don't need to track the front wheel outside your turn radius much and any effect turning the bars has is muted because it takes longer for your wheels to track around. Also, all the forces on the handlebars feel different because the wheel isn't turning fast.
     
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    Your right precesion is the gyro wanting to find its way back to where it was and can be the culprit of a bad tank slapper. I was using the wrong terminology. Thanks
     
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    Both techniques are nice to have in the toolbox. Some corners are better approached with trail braking while others are better handled by getting the breaking done before turn in.

    If the only tool in your toolbox is a hammer, then everything looks like a nail.
     
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    Second most important thing I learned riding on the Crest. I do notice that I have a tendency to enter left hand turns too soon, even looking where I think I should. Going to work on that.
     
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    I think most riders are better at a left or a right, even the pros say this. I'm better at lefts than right but there are some rights that I have down pretty good like turn 3 at Barber. Then there is a left turn 10 at Jenning's where I have landed on my head. lol
     
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    I'm also more comfortable with lefts, I blame it on getting all my leaning practice from roundabouts.
     
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    I'm actually more comfortable with a right hand turn.

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    lol, I was going to say it might be the difference of being raised in the UK or Japan vs the US but I guess not.
     
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    Canadian Prairies. We have a lot of right hand exit and entrance ramps on clover leafs.

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    If you haven't already, watch "Twist of the wrist Pt 2" on youtube. Lots of valuable info from California Superbike School. Deals with everything everyone has discussed so far. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-IsvLbDicI
     
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    I keep hearing about putting "all your weight on the peg". To do that would require taking one foot off the other peg, standing on the peg of choice and letting go of the bars.
     
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    Ken Hill and Pridmore teach a lot that Code does but they definitely have some different techniques. If I remember correctly Code heavily revised his views of trail braking. His views of peg weighting are one different area. I know guys that have been to both schools and learned a lot at both. I like Ken Hills and he does a ton of free pod casts. He's a member of our private forum and always will give free advice. And he can still haul the mail.

    http://khcoaching.com/
     
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    Misti who is a member here coaches for Code FYI.
     
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    I think the easy answers to most of this thread are hidden in "Twist of The Wrist II".

    I would go so far as to say that a copy of that DVD should be given out as homework at every MSF course.

    Both the course and that movie really changed the way I handle myself on the road.

    If there are any similar videos I would be interested in seeing them.
     
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    Listen to Ken Hill's pod casts!
     
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    Another area of exploration that adds to riding skills is the historical aspect. An example would be just the changes in bikes, tires ect.,just 20 years. Mount a set of todays tires on an old clunker (just kidding) and what a difference! This is not a plug for the world's greatest tires BTW.

    One of the more readable writers for that is IMO, Kevin Cameron who writes with authority from experience and not by regurgitating PR blurbs from factory touters.
     
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    I have read Cameron for a long time. Ever read his blogs? The guy is in the geneous real for a reason. An engineer/physist grad from Harvad is a good start. Just read his views of DI 2 strokes. Brilliant insights. Really did his homework about how it could possible be a very cool (and EPA compliant) engine.
     
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    Mostly his articles in CW over the years.. Got the link and was reading it when I spotted the vid of Canet's run up Pikes Peak. I think sometimes I have the attention span of a gnat..;)
     
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    There is a road I ride frequently with 2 switchbacks (Forks of the Credit for the locals), learning to use the rear brake made all the difference in that section. Pulling on the front brake in the corner going slowly makes it want to fall over whereas using the rear brake seems to help keep it upright. Same technique used for tight u turns on the road. Seen more than a few guys pull on the front only to have it go down at slow speeds.
     
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