Touch-up paint color match for Red/White/Blue '86 VF500F?

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    I have some minor scrapes and scuffs on my paint that could easily be covered up with the right touch-up paint. This is for the Red/White/Blue color scheme of an '86 VF500F which I believe had the brightest red and possibly a different shade of blue than some other models? (if I am not mistaken) Looking for something along the lines of those Duplicolor touch-up pens you find in automotive stores or even a good spray can of Krylon (or otherwise) that is a close match to the Red and Blue. Does anyone have any personal experience with this or know of any specific paint match numbers that have worked for these Honda colors? This is a pic of the bike in question for quick color reference. Thanks!
     

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    I know where to find the OEM Honda color codes underneath the seat but I don't know how useful these are, or if they would cross-reference to anything..
     
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    Try colorite.com, they have pens, rattle cans and pints/quarts.
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    The blue is Candy Aleutian Blue Honda code PB127. The red is Fighting Red Honda code R134. The white is Shasta White Honda code NH138. They are all available at Amazon in spray and touchup pen as well as at Colorite.
     
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    Even with the Honda color codes and the Colorite information (Colorite is good stuff) , don't expect a dead on match to the paint on a 28 year old motorcycle.

    See if you can find a Utube or two on how to do touch up painting on cars and bikes.
     
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    Wow. Mad expensive. Both Fighting Red and Aleutian Blue require combining two different separate coats of color- a Base and a Top Coat (not too mention clear coats) Just for the red and blue (w/o clear coat) it would be $80 for the (4) 2 ounce touch-up jars. At amazon they are selling the top coat color and clear coat for $55 "as a package" w/o the base coat color! That's messed up..Whatevs, I don't mind the expense as much as the fact it is harder to do a clean looking touch-up job when you have to paint over the same tiny scratch twice with two different sets of brushstrokes. Thanks for the link on this one, I will try my steady hand at this extremely detail-oriented job. No more coffee for me. I need nerves of steel (and a fine-tipped paintbrush) for this endeavor.
     
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    For cheap, Duplicolor Scratch Fix Ford Sonic Blue FM 378 is very close to the Aleutian Blue. GM Arctic White is very close to the Shasta White. Can't remember what I used for the Fighting Red, can't find the bottle. Layer the paint up in successive light coats until it is a bit above the surrounding paint, carefully wet sand with 1000 grit, don't stray far outside of the repair and buff, works pretty well.
     
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    Now we're talkin'. I want to get close to the original color but don't mind if it's a tiny bit off. Thank you. I may try both of these great options and the other helpful advice as well. :snowman:
     
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    For fewer pesos, a shitload of experimentation and a headache when the matching is off. Try this. Buy a pint of regular lacquer thinner at one of the big box or paint stores. Buy half a dozen real bristle artists brushes in small sizes. They come starting in size at 0000. Aka spotting brushes. Buy cheap ones..

    The places to be touched up need to be free of anything short of clearcoat. This includes the regular road grunge and all traces of was either natural or polymer.

    Gouges and scratches have dimension and can be shallow or deep.

    To do a good job even with "nerves of steel" and no imbibing of soy milk lattes served up by topless baristas of indeterminate gender, these scratches ect., need to be filled.

    Now ther really cheap way .. Pop for twenty bucks worth of the least expensive nail polish at WalMart of other you can find. The lacquer thinner will thin the stuff and also can be used to clean your brushes. A mahl stick helps here. Look it up to see what they are then make one.

    Thre is never going to be a dead match on a bike that old. Paint, especially red, fades.

    Any overfilling can be leveled with a block sander using really fine grip wet and dry sandpaper.



    Unless madly in love with that RWB motif, a total repaint in a solid color by a local experienced painter might be something to think about. Avoid the Rattlecan Rangers..
     
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    Well, if you're not going to repair, but rather repaint the bike, it does not matter. Sand it all to plastic, primer, base coat, color coat, clear coat, let dry, wet sand and polish.

    Prep is the all important step. Spraying is all technique, drying is patience. Take your time.

    Post pics when done.

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    Sanding to plastic is only needs to be done when making a repair that entails welding of fusion using a like material as in many cases ABS. Old paint can be a fine base for further painting. Abrasions and surface scratches should be sanded to a feather edge and then filled with a filler/primer, then sanded back. All this is bodywork and painting 101.

    Many solid colors do not require "base" coats that are required for candy and metallic applications. An application of an homogenous color for a base may be a good idea for some solid color but for colors like reds, "thalo" type blues and greens, a coat of grey primer works a treat.

    Clearcoats are a matter of choice but not absolute requirments for a great paint job. Clearcoats can be clear to the point of the popular "wet" look to using same to create a frosted look as seen in things like ghost flames.

    Spraying is much more than technique and drying can be retarded or accelerated by the use of additives.
     
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    Thanks all, I'll be good with touch-up only on this one and will be skipping the clear coat. I only have a few minor scrapes that are hard to see unless you are right on top of them. Otherwise, original paint is still very bright, overall good shape and has a nice gloss to it. I am going to buy some of the Colorite paints to get the color as close as possible and buy some fine-tipped paintbrushes to hit those scrapes.
     
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    The reason your old paint looks bright and glossy is the clearcoat. This is the "lens effect" To see this in action, any piece of clear glass including a drinking glass or even a magnifiying glass placed against a matte surface will make the surface appear to be glossy. The best exemplar is done with a piece of plate glass from a picture frame.

    That paint is 28 years old and is faded. The most faded will be the red.

    IOW the gloss level has little to do with the fugitive pigments even if the clearcoats contain UV blockers.

    Ya might want to include in your brush purchases a couple of sword stripers...

    There are also some vinyl graphics out there both stocked items and custom

    BB says "Stockers Suck" ;)
     
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    1986-Honda-XL600R-Blue-0.jpg Thanks I've got my gameplan and am going to stick to that vibrant and shockingly colorful OEM paint scheme. 1986 was the peak year of the R/W/B Honda color scheme. Just look cross-model at the radical shift for their '86 XL600R and you'll see the departure from the normal racing red was pretty huge. The 1985 XL600R was a transitional color year and also had one of the best color schemes. The VF is intense, bright and doesn't require anything more to stand out on its merit. For posterity's sake, I won't fiddle with perfection- for these red/white/blue Japanese colors don't run! :chaingun:
     
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    Thanks for the history lesson and the philosophy and the opportunity to assist in formulating your gameplan.
     
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    Behold the sexiness and swagger of some of the off-road '85 Honda models. The pedestrian black/dark red color styling has been upgraded to a much brighter orange/red with electric blue and yellow. The XRs also had this outrageously spectacular color scheme. Top notch. Wish I still had my '83 & '85 XL600 (sigh)


    CR.jpg 85_XL600R.jpg
     
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