Oil Change Intervals with sythentic honda oil?

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    Canukistan uses both metric and imperial measure. Soon they will be dropping the looney for the peso. There is always the positive side. In some places in Washington and Oregon, one can buy draught (we call it tap) beer (you call it ale sometimes) if ya bring your own container. A popular container is the "Cubitaner". The imperial types hold aboot 1.2 US gallons and the US types a gallon.

    Roughly speaking, that's aboot a free pint or so I guess depending on whose pint we are talking aboot.
     
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    you made me dig oot my little cheesy maintenance manual to look back to what the hell I was doing back in the days of yore. I was doing close to 5000 mile oil change intervals back in the day, give or take 500 miles. I always used the same oil since I got the bike. Now flash forward to today, that same bike gets a yearly oil change as it does under a 1000 miles a year sadly, (it still puts a smile on my face and blows my mind how much get up and go it has.) That first bike went 70,000 miles on the original clutch too btw - new clutch did'nt make much of a difference except when you got up to 130 mph or so, then you could feel it had a little more authority to its top end of 150 mph. All my bikes and cars don't use oil, when it comes to change them, I dont even bother looking at the dip-stick or site window. I go 5000 on my wifes car with Mobil 1 (shameless plug.)

    I have two other bikes that I use regularly, the roads here let you hold the bikes wide open pretty much, I know its excessive, but on those two bikes, I go 2000 miles and dump the oil. I could probably drain it and use it in my car/lawn mower. The way I look at it, you have a lot of sheer going on in your bike, that is if you do not a bike with a separate gear box oil res. Motor oil sharing transmission oil creates alot of sheer, I am not a petrolium engineer but I know those gears compress and compromise the oils integrity. Two side bar stories; both have to do with two fellows that my father knew -

    1st, the doode had a ford taurus, commuted I think almost 100 miles each way, he did crazy mileage a day, he used Mobil 0ne in his v-6, his intervals where 25,000 miles just like it says on the side of the bottle, that doode drove his car over 200,000 miles. Pretty impressive, he may have lucked out and got a Tuesday through Thursday build :loco: That gentleman died from pancreatic cancer recently :rip:

    2nd My old man grew up with a doode (TMI I know, he smoked, they took a lung out, and he still smoked.) this was back in the 50's. This particular individual used to just add oil as the car consumed it. He kept the cars a few years and traded them in, he never did an oil change btw. (hate to have been the poor sod that bought his old rides.) also - he was a millionare. He died too, maybe from lung cancer. Two different stories regarding earls. Hope me didnt ramble too much.
     
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    Impressive. In my last career, in addition to the duties I had with my subordinates, I also managed a fleet of 17 cars. All of which were Ford Tauruses, except two Impalas. Oil changed every 10,000 km on the zero just like I do with my bike. Transmission serviced on everyone of them at 60,000 km as per service manual. Everyone of those bitches required a new transmission around 80,000 km. and Most needed to have their firewalls resealed at about 100,000 KM. When time came,we got rid of those fuckers and replaced them with Dodge Charger Police packages. We were able to sell that to the bean counters with the corporation educating them we would not need constant replacement of brakes and transmissions every two years. These Chargers had the six cylinder in them and had lots of jam for what we needed them for. I think they are still driving some of those original 6 cars today, 5 years after my retirement and 7 years after we got the cars. I was hospitalized for pancreatitis a year and a bit ago but I don't think those Fords or the oil we used in them had anything to do with that
     
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    ^ gawd, I would take a Crown Vic over a charger any day! Make mine a nice Mercury Marauder and I take your entire family oot to lunch for some Texas BBQ down here. :hungry: They dont do v-6 chargers down here, they are all v-8s. What the hell where you guys thinking :pound: Seriously though, no-body wants to settle and key word here is SETTLE for a smaller engine. WTF :smile: Dats alls I gots to says, :peace:
     
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    I use motul 5100 in mine
     
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    Switched over to 300V on both VFRs now. The Duc too, but to be honest though, the Duc used it first, I tried Rotella T6 in it and boy did it bark about that! Definitely likes a thicker viscosity too, 15W50. Something else I just noticed, their U.S. Office is right down the street from me, not as close as Yamaha Motors but pretty close.
     
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    I must admit to not undersatanding why people persist with using T6 as it is a heavy duty diesel engine oil.
    Do Shell have a secret that they will not share with their own motorcycle oil line?
     
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    Fortune cookie material...
    Must have come from old Chinese guy after all.

    I've been interested in trying Motul or Amsoil.
    Any advantage over the other between the two?
     
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    Allyance would probably be the best to answer that, he's an Amsoil distributor if I recall correctly. I just find Motul on more store shelves and it has appeared on a few Oil list for quality oils, so that's why I went Motul.
     
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    Why the 300V ?

    I try and get the Motul red colored full Synthetic 7100 whenever I spot it discounted because the gearbox feels nicer with it over the 5100 and similar Semi Synthetic oils though the next step up in expense to the 300V which Motul say is for racing seemed unnecessary ?
     
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    I been using Amsoil for 30 years, never had a problem. Used Mobil One in my race bikes back in the day.
     
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    A few reasons but since I track my 5 Gen and pretty much run it like a race bike most of the time, I figured I'd go with it and rather than have a few different oils sitting in the garage, I started using it in the 6 Gen too. Although I tried different oils in all three bikes, I ultimately went with Motul. So far I am happy with it, my VFRs seem happy with it and my Duc is way happier and to be honest, I haven't had to pay full price for it yet. Whenever I get gift cards for my birthday or Christmas I save them for buying my Moto stuff. Additionally any rebate cards I get also goes to the "Moto Bank", so right now I have an oil purchase surplus.

    Since I usually ask for and get gift cards for the fore mentioned holiday and birthday, this is my plan for now. I also help fellow riders with servicing their bikes and the money they donate also goes into the fund. Ideally this along with the rebate money, I'll be able to perpetuate this method of buying my oil. Yeah, I could probably get more oil for the money but what the heck right?
     
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    I have driven both...lots. Even with the police interceptor Crown Vic chipped out, these 6 cylinder Chargers would smoke the Crown Vic. I haven't driven the Chargers with the Hemi, but can just imagine the difference there. The Crowns are certainly a more comfortable car to drive. Ford has always had a nicer ride than GM or Chrysler. Dodges have always had a very stiff suspension. But any of the Fords I have drive have been an absolute adventure on any type of rough or gravel road. Be they Crown Vics, Expeditions, or Explorers, they will turn sideways on you doing 50 MPH on a washboard road. I can't speak for the Dodges on these roads, but I can drive a suburban, S10 Jimmy or the Caprice or Impala at speeds of 80 - 100 MPH on rough roads and maintain quite good control of the vehicle.

    I used to drive one of those fucking LTD LL police packages many years ago. My first assigned car. I was afraid to drive that piece of shit more than 80 MPH on a good paved highway. Front end seemed to float all over the place. The full sized LTD was supposed to be a decent car but I had never drive on of those. Mustangs were quick and nimble but again, any signs of a rough surface was enough to make you shit your pants. I remember doing about 130MPH over a short bridge that had the frost lines raised slightly. That car ended up at about a 20 degree angle to straight when I crossed that bridge. I thought I was history on that one.

    The Camaro was just absolute heaven. That bitch would smoke anything I had ever driven and was stuck to the road like glue. It was the shits in snow though. When there was snow on the ground, I parked the Camaro and drive a Crown Vic. My detachment commander traded off the Camaro and wanted me to drive and unmarked front wheel drive Impala. I said fuck you and retired.
     
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    Wow! You really are a lucky man. I keep getting coal. I have never had a coal furnace. Always natural gas. I really don't know what my family expects me to do with all this black crap. I have a ton of it in the back yard.
     
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    The first car I brought over 100 mph was a Caprice Classic when I was 16.

    I had control of it until I was pulled over.

    Somehow I got out of that one. Told the officer I wanted to see what it was like going 0-100+ since I'd be driving it from Mexico to Kansas all by myself soon and I may have to get away from a bad situation.

    Think he felt sorry for me since it could have been my last year alive.
     
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    BTW. Those were police packages in the car but they were not used as police cars. This was when I worked for the transit company and we were basically civilian Security Guards. Only arrest authority we had was that as a citizen and agent of the property owner. Quite handsomely enumerated though.
     
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    Amsoil is a great oil, hard to find in stock, normally have to pay someone shipping. Motul gets a lot good press on here (no personal experience), can walk into many shops just pick it up. Like cell phones, and most other techie stuff, products keep getting better and better and more and more competition. As long as you stick to a pure synthetic and not a blend with polymers, you get great performance and long intervals.
     
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    The old Chinese guys seeking catharsis had a shitload of choices. Mineral oil is good. Cascara bark provides nary a bite and castor beans beat the crap oot of soybeans. Any of the three are not necessary when using K&Ns, they provide their own existential exit..

    There may be some advantage one over the other but one must get over the fraction of snake oil added by the advertisers, bean counters and voting stockholders.
     
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    I started using the 300V because of Mike (LDH) and his extensive first hand knowledge of motorcycles, especially racing with the pro's. His work before and now for many years with Kyle Racing out in California have given him a lot of racing, tracking, building comparing and sharing of knowledge with a lot of the top builder/racers in the country. You woul be amazed at how many racers with sponsers from varrious oil companys have their oil sponser jugs seceretly filled with 300V. It works on the most demanding racing and on puttering around town bikes. The since behind it can be broken down to how it binds to metal with a chemical polarity.

    From Kso's above article:
    Group V: Esters. These oils start their life as plant or animal bases called fatty acids. They are then converted via a chemical reaction into esters or diesters which are then used as base stocks. Esters are polar, which means they act like a magnet and actually cling to metals. This supposedly offers much better protection on metal-to-metal surfaces than conventional PAOs, which do not have this polar effect. These base stock oils also act as a good solvent inside the engine, translating into cleaner operation. Esters are the most expensive to produce, and oils manufactured with them usually cost much more. Due to this higher cost, many companies only fortify their oils with esters. Some examples are Bel-Ray EXS, Torco MPZ Synthetic and Maxum 4 Extra. Motul 300V, however, uses 100 percent ester as its base oil, and is one of the more expensive oils.
     
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