Bikers won't like sound of this!

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  1. XRayHound

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    How can I police others when I hold the firm and staunch belief that everyone has the right to do whatever they want to do? Annoyance isn't fatal and laws and rules shouldn't be enacted because something someone else does "bothers", "offends", or "annoys" you. We need to destroy Big Brother, not do his job for him.

    P.S.: I'm running the factory exhaust system.
     
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    In a perfect world, yeah absolutely I believe that. But we live in a political "democracy" where if somebody doesnt like something they can complain to there elected official while reminding them they vote, and eventually you get a law in your face that stops you from your pleasure. (Jeez check the morality police in Ohio)

    It really sucks but thats reality. Thats why I try to maintain a low profile of my fun. And why somehow the overly loud pipes thing could eventually get the attension of the Obama team, your state, or city, and now no aftermarket pipes at all are legal. -- A stretch? Maybe. Improbable? Not a chance.

    MD
     
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    Both of the guys quoted are bafoons.
    I wish when they quote representatives of the motorcyling world they could find someone more intelligent.
     
  4. Knife

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    I like the way you think. My sentiments exactly. One man's annoyance is another man's joy. Besides, if no one ever annoyed us, we wouldn't have anything to bitch about. What kind of fun would that be?
     
  5. KC-10 FE

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    If you do something that has negative consequences for me yet I had nothing to do with it, it is no longer just "your" problem.

    For simple concrete evidence of this, look no further than the US Military. EVERY SINGLE TIME a 19 year old kid with 3 weeks of riding experience wipes himself out on GZCXYB-111000, all the rest of the responsible experienced riders have to put up with more & more regulations & restrictions to our riding.


    How true, how true...

    KC-10 FE out...
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  6. Knife

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    I'm usually on board with most of your thinking. But just keep in mind that the military is not a democracy. It can't be. I don't believe that you enjoy the same rights as those in the civilian population? So I think expectations should be different? This can lead to perceived unfairness? :unsure:
     
  7. KC-10 FE

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    I was using the US Military as an example since it's a very defined example.

    Other examples of people doing stupid crap that results in the rest of responsible citizens having their rights restricted:

    1) In many countries, you are not allowed to buy a VFR800fi as your first bike. While I do not have enough room to go over all the different countries, I am more than certain at least one of them was due to bonehead squids killing themselves in a spectacular fashion.

    2) In the CPRofNJ, it is against the law to have ANY window tint on the front windows of any registered motor vehicle. Why? Simple, idiots were tinting their windows in the 90% range.

    3) Hand held cell phones ehile driving are being banned everywhere. Why? Most people can't drive to begin with & when you add the distraction of a phone into the mix, they become a accident waiting to happen.

    I could keep going, but I'm sure you get the point. I will say this again, if we, meaning the riding community as a whole, want to keep Big Brother out of our business, we need to police ourselves. If you have open pipes or whatever on your bike & you make a nuisance of yourself, the public now thinks ALL riders are morons. I sincerely wish this was not true, but the average non-rider doesn't know squat about motorcycles so they naturally think all of them are the same. So, if you decide to make the public hate you, I have every right to be upset because I am going to be lumped into the same group whether I want to or not.

    KC-10 FE out...
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  8. Bubba Zanetti

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    To say things like the Government doesn’t have any business in motorcycles matters is ignorant at best and dangerous at worst because it’s a great way to make sure you are not involved in shaping the social norms and culture the motorcycle community. In my experience with motorcycle accident statistics and trying to coach some of these morons as a MSF Coach. I ‘ve found some of the following problems: lack of training, lack of understanding the risk of riding, lack of understanding how a motorcycle steers, brakes, or operates in general.

    The two main groups of riders that seem to be the problem are the Baby Boomers who have retuned to riding, and the young Ricky Racer’s wannabe’s who come through the MSF Class.

    Each group suffers from similar problems but I’d say the biggest issue they both face is WHO they ride with and what that group values in owning a motorcycle.

    These two groups have been sold on the image of motorcycling. Many don’t want to actually learn to ride other than either going in a straight line from Harley store, to bar, to Harley store again, or getting the latest and greatest sport bike and roaring up Route 1 on one wheel to Hooters on Wednesday night. But I’ve found if you approach these people and actually open up intelligent dialogue you’ll find that certain ones do want more from motorcycling than to look ‘cool’. They’ve had friends die because of stupidity. They don’t want to ride without a helmet, but don’t want to face the scorn of their so-called riding friends. I ask the simple question: “Isn’t one of the main things about riding a focus on individuality? They say: “Well yeah!” To which I reply: “Then why would you follow the crowd”? This usually brings a smile to their face because deep down they know their so-called friends are phonies. Once you have that ‘in’, you keep leading them to the light. Provide them with information about websites that sell riding gear, books to read and most importantly, invite them to your local parking lot where you practice your riding skills and e-mail them with a date and time to come practice with you. You’ll be there guide; you can provide the positive influence we all wish to see.

    I can’t accept the “nothing we can do’ attitude or KC’s barrage of insults as the best way to curb the issues. However, I am guilty of doing both.

    So here’s a New Years resolution for you VFRW members. Take riders under your wings, talk intelligently with riders who are ill informed, and when you have a new rider join your group and they have mad skills, but poor judgment. Let them know they are not welcome to ride with you if they treat the public road like a race course.

    Sound far fetched? Its not. I’ll never forget the group of riders I approached in 1998 in Waldorf, Maryland. I’d never seen riders like this. All suited up, pulled into the gas station with grace and ease. No revving up engines, no showing off. There was no question they knew how to ride. They had just come off some of the twisty back roads. I approached them and said I always wanted to ride what did they suggest? These guys were tripping over themselves to provide it. They weren’t going to miss the opportunity to provide a newbie sound advice. And sound advice they provided. I still use it today! It was: Buy a beginner bike 500cc’s or under, no exceptions, because two things will happen. One, you will drop it (I did). Two, in two years you are going to either keep wanting to ride or you will have lost all interest. If you take care of your beginner bike someone will buy it for close to what you paid for it. (I bought my Kawasaki 440 for 500 bucks and sold it for 500 bucks). They also said two years on a beginner bike will teach you much about riding without being intimidated (How true).

    Another incident soon followed that was when I was on the 440 getting gas. A member of the “Outlaws” motorcycle group walks up to me, shakes my hand and said: “Hey man, welcome to riding”. It was unprovoked, this dude just wanted to welcome me aboard.

    These two events made the impact on me that there are serious riders out their and I wanted to be one too. I saw the fools and the poseurs and didn’t want to be like them.

    Don’t think all in the crowd want to be their, some want out, let’s try and help them.

    As the cliché goes: “Be the change you wish to see in the world”

    BZ
     
  9. KC-10 FE

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    That's just part of my magnetic personality. It's really sad, whenever I ride outside NJ, I can actually feel my BP going down. I can't wait until I retire & I move south to warmer climes.

    In all seriousness, great post. :thumbsup:

    KC-10 FE out...
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  10. Nungboy

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    YES!
    There are two main endpoints on the continuum that is our society: one is complete individualism (wherein one does what one wants to do without any regard for or influence from the rest of society), and the other is complete conformity and resistance to do anything other than fully society-sanctioned activities (running with the pack without thinking for oneself). We all exhibit a bit of both extremes. To heap all of our society into one or the other extreme is foolish. That is why problems (like this proposed law) are difficult to solve and why some proposed answers work with some people and not with others.You all have some excellent points...most all will work with some folks and not with others. Usually a multi-pronged approach works...so I do work on the individual level (as Bubba suggests) and I remain open to governmental solutions (because sometimes it is essential for getting the non-believers to participate)...but true change seems to come from the individual outwards so I feel that is the best. After all, we all often openly flaunt laws that we don't believe in. True change comes from convincing the populace that a change is right and good for them (as individuals) as well as worthwhile for society as a whole. So, as Bubba says, be an example and talk to friends AND strangers.
    Remember, everything you need to know about society you learned on the playground in elementary school!
     
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    I was in Manhattan this weekend and there are signs posted at every intersection warning "No Honking $250 fine". As with most things, the intent is good and the result is flawed. It goes on unabated but when they feel like giving you a ticket, the law is on their side.
     
  12. Bubba Zanetti

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    Don't worry, when Jeff and I are having problems with morons in our next MSF class and logic and reason are not prevailing. We'll call you in to berate the guilty parties:tongue:

    BZ
     
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    I also noticed those signs when I was there about a month or so ago. And I could swear that some signs posted fines well in excess of $250.00 (like $500.00 and $1,000.00, near hospitals and the like).

    Isn't this contributing to the dreaded "global sign pollution?" Not only are signs ugly (except those that indicate the layout of the road ahead), but there are way too many of them. If you actually read every one on your route, you'll be late to wherever you were going.

    I admit it. I'm an antisignite. So sue me..
     
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    Many rules are put into place just so they can enforce something.

    For example.
    Condo parking.

    1 guy was parking his RV in visitor parking so they made a rule that you could only park there for 24 hours so in cases of such abuse they could ticket a person.

    Now you get some nutter on the condo board on a power trip that during a snow storm that no one can move issues tickets.

    the rules are put in place so people get punished for excesses but then it's turned and affects everyone because people enforce the rule to the letter.
     
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    Update on New York City Introduction 416-A

    Legislation that would mandate use of OEM (original equipment manufacturer) exhaust systems on all motorcycles in New York City has been “deferred” by the New York City Council. Originally scheduled for consideration at its December 18 meeting, Introduction 416-A has been removed from the agenda.

    A representative in the Clerk of Council’s office confirmed the removal of the legislation Monday (December 15) afternoon.

    The bill would prohibit the parking, stopping or standing of any motorcycle equipped with “straight pipes.” Under the definition of “straight pipe” in Intro 416-A, any motorcycle exhaust system not stamped with the U.S. EPA compliance label would be in violation of the law, regardless of the sound level emitted by the exhaust system.

    Motorcyclists should continue contacting their City Council members to voice concern regarding this legislation.

    For more information, visit the New York City Council Website at New York City Council.
     
  16. KC-10 FE

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    Don't worry, I'll arrange a low altitude, high speed fly-by in the mighty 3 engine war beast & scream out the window "Whathef@$kareyoudoing?!?! You go where you look moron!!!"

    KC-10 FE out...
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  17. Bubba Zanetti

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    KC, with that statement I know you've been coaching a couple years LOL!:cheersaf:
     
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    YEAH BABY! Put me down for one if you act on that Bubba.
     
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