CANDY paint job?

SO, I have been working on my bike for a while now. I sent the plastics and tank for paint. The colors were supposed to be candy red and black. The painter called me in to check out the work. It had not been color sanded yet. I looked around the place an couldn't find my parts. It turns out that my parts were right in front of me in a bright sold red and black combo. I told him that I wanted a candy red over a gold metallic with fine flake. I told him thats not a candy paint job. He insists that it is (single stage). He says it will look a lot better after color sanding it. If it is a candy job, then he probably stacked the translucent red until you could no longer see through it. I need help. What should I do? I will post pics tomorrow @ pick up.

 

I think that I would be there early and check a piece, and if it isn't what you're wanting, then I would definitely make sure that it was done right before any payment is made. Is it an individual or a business that you're dealing with?

 

Its a relatively medium bussiness. They have a pretty good set up. HOw do I verify that it is a candy job? They showed me examples in the difference between pearl and candy paints but this is closer to the pearl. A LOT CLOSER!

 

Ask to see the paints used. The contents may well be on the labels. As far as the red glaze, goes, it will be transparent. Take a chunk of one of those white plastic coathangers with you. Dip it into the red and the white will show through.

IMO the painter knows that all but one or so "reds" on the whole paint market are transparent, he tried to fake it with red paint, fucked up and is now trying to BS you into paying for his short con.

"Pearl" and gold are the usual basecoats for red or pink candy. Both are applied as opaque coats.

For some straight poop on these custom paints, goto, " House of Kolor" . Check out Utube also..

 

I still have not heard from the painter. This has been a slow process. Thanks Badbilly, I'm going to ask for the paints that were used. Hope it all works out. Maybe I will have the parts by tomorrow? Should I ask for a discount since its different than the color that they showed me? They quoted me at 750 which I didn't mind to pay for a candy paint job.

 

The question is, did you really get a candy, aka, candyapple paint job with a real gold undercoat with as you state, a small flake and a candy glaze? A few shots would help. Candyapple paintwork goes back to the late 1940s the medium (paint) was nitrocellulose lacquer and the undercoat was pearl. The pearl was made of fish scales suspended in nitrocellulose lacquer. As I recall the fish scales were herring. The red was clear lacquer tinted red with colorant forming a glaze (look up the term) with the result looking like the red or pink candied apples at fairs and carnivals and even fiestas. Today's paints are synthetics but a candy paint job is done much the same way. An opaque undercoat with a tinted transparent glaze as the overcoat. I still think this painter is trying to save his ass after he tried to save some time and money hoping you would buy his BS.

$750.00 sounds about right for a two tone candy and black paint job depending on the details. Just a straight red repaint on a a VFR can run that much. Red paint of any type can be more money than many other colors.

Check out my 91 in the back pages. I had about $150.00 in materials in that paintjob. This includes etching primer, Krylon Fusion as a primer for some of the unpainted plastics, , flatting agent for the black on the frame rails, masking tape, reducer, catalyst ect. I didn't clearcoat it. IOW it's real easy to get a couple of hundred in a paint job with just materials cost.


Bottom line? You as the customer asked for a candy paint job. That's what they agreed to. If that isn't what you got then basically you don't owe them and you have the rest of the Winter for them to get it right. I wouldn't give them a dime. Check out some real candy jobs, don't blow your stack and keep on hammering till they get it right.

OTOH if you are happy with the look and the paint is not full of crap and looks like the beach at Waikiki, or done after somebody huffed half the gold basecoat from a rattlecan, then damn, right ask for a discount a big one..

 

Randy,

Did you have a question about paint too?

 

Is this water based paint?

 

Not a clue.Maybe the OP will tell you the name of the painter who is ripping him off and you can sell him your old jacket..

There are similar paints that are (to be specific) waterbourne. Some of the prime coats from some of the auto factorys are waterbourne and applied much in the manner of plating. Nissan tried for a couple of years as did or so I hear, Honda, use of some waterbourne clearcoats. These failed after several years and no recalls were issued. The paint on my bike came from two sources. The majority being Martin-Senour via NAPA and the Sherwin-Williams umbrella. Three coats of both colors. These are automotive specific paints and are very complex chemically and for want of a better explanation are solvent bourne. They are as well, highly toxic and the DIY dudes who are using them without proper protective gear (can we say "paintgatt?) will be looking like refugees from a meth lab and drooling on thier pizza in short order.

 

How long does a paint job like this take on full fairngs and tank? Mind you everything was prepped for paint by me to save money. I still don't have the parts and these guys are giving me the run around. It will be three weeks on Saturday, And its not the color I wanted!

 

At this point you will need to post up some pix. Being in LA there are dozens of custom paint shops that will have examples of what a "candy" paint job looks like. Time? Almost impossible to determine.

It's a little confusing on what you are saying. You did the prep to save money with little or no experience at this type work? This indicates the painter is out of his element. You say the color isn't right and have not compared it with a known sample.

They are giving you the run around because they fucked up and want to get you out of their hair and get your $750.00

You can rattle thier cage by hollering BBB but in truth other than a threat by the time the BBB does anything your paint will have faded to titty pink. Maybe time to file on them in small claims court for the max amount.