1998 Interceptor weird electrical problem

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    Good evening,
    My bike is a 1998 Honda VFR 800 Fi Interceptor and I have been having some problems. The bike’s engine goes off when I turn the lights on (Fi light goes on) or when I use the turn signal (Fi light goes on at the same rythm as the turn signal) and sometimes it just goes off even when I am not using neither of these (seems like there's a complete electrical cut). I have to turn the "stop running switch" on and off a couple of times untill the Fi light goes off and I can put the bike running again.
    I used the Fi lamp to signal me the alarms and I got two: The first a long pulse and then three short and a second with a long pulse and then four short pulses (13 and 14 blinks). From these number of blinks and using the self-diagnosis malfunction table the possible causes are number 2 or 3 connector or injector malfunction. On the other hand the symptoms should be the non-starting of the engine, which is not true.
    I had a similar problem a couple of years ago and the problem was solved by substituting the regulator/rectifier. Do you think this could be cause again? Or do you think there’s another possible cause?
    Thank you in advance.
    Best regards,
    José Teixeira
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    I don't even have to read your whole post. You have a bad ground connection at the orange ground buss.

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    Tink has much more experience on bikes than I do, so I'd follow his advice.

    However, I will also say that my bike was throwing multiple codes at once (not really at once, but at various times all withing one another) - Baro Sensor, Map sensor, speed sensor. It turned out I had some fired wires from the R/R, and they needed to be replaced. I can also advise my R/R had been replaced previously (by someone else), so this is at least the 3rd time its been done in 16,000 miles. (This time I did it right, though).

    Keep it in mind, but check what Tink mentioned.
     


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    Improper voltage and amperage will cause computers and sensors to do funny things.

    The clue that it's a bad ground is the erratic operation of the FI light and it's cycling with the blinkers. I have experienced all these symptoms including the bike dying with the headlights (or high beams in the case of a US model) and even side stand operation. And hence where the attached photo came from above. The fault codes stored in the computer are likely a symptom and not a cause.

    Zero doubt in my mind that the ground connection is bad. The orange connector is under the seat. You will have to pop the cap off it, pull the socket out of the connector, use a skinny pin or a nail to bend the tab inside the socket so there is good positive contact against the pin when it's all reassembled. Suppose I should have taken more detailed photos of the fix.....

    Honda and their wiring can fuck off. :flip:
     


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    this is not the same connection - but when I say the socket must be removed from the connector to tweak the tab inside the socket with a sharp pin;

    this is what I'm talking about:

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    oh yea, and did I say Honda and their wiring can fuck off. :flip:
     


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    I was just curious, Tink; What do you think about Honda and their wiring?
     


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    Was having a Donald Branscom moment
     


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    She's just a little runaway...

    A tiny glorified spade-lug with a bent metal spring tab--the type of sliding electrical contact that should be avoided if at all possible.

    The joint gets warm from the heat of current flow, and that causes the pressed bends in the metal to open up. This opening action then creates a high resistance joint with micro-arcing across the gaps, which adds more heat, which results in more metal expansion, more resistance, etc (thermal runaway) until the joint goes open-circuit and you are stuck on the side of the road.

    Don't get stuck on the side of the road--use high quality barrel contacts or solder the joints you don't want to smoke.
     


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    I've been having some problems with my computer as well, which is the reason for such a late reply. Thanks for your suggestions. Couldn't find the orange ground bus so I took the bike to the mechanic last week. Told him what you told me and he couldn't find it either (I think I have to change mechanic). He thinks the bike has an ECM/ECU problem. I would like to know where I can find the orange ground bus (I still think that that is the cause of the problem. Has anyone got a clearer picture to send me?
    Thanks.
     


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    the orange connector is taped to wiring harness. It isn't exposed and hanging around like it is shown in my above photo but completely covered in black tape and only the orange cover is visible. Difficult to spot the first time. The ECU on these bikes is nearly bulletproof and I've only read of one failure in my years at VFRW. DO NOT buy an ECU before inspecting the orange ground connector.
     


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    did some browsing around on google and it looks like the connector will be on the left hand side. This image shows the connector after tape removed:

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    I was actually one of the few that had my ECU go. However, that might have been a combination of things as my PC went on the fritz first, potentially resulting in the ECU failure. Either way, although I had owned the bike for 3 months (and bought it used in 2008), the dealer replaced it for free.

    So now you know 2 that have failed, Tink.
     


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    Thanks for everything. I believe the photo you sent will help to solve the problem. On my way out to meet the mechanic. Will keep you posted as soon as the problem is solved. Thanks once again.
     


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    Will be anxiously waiting to hear what you find.

    You said the bike dies when you turn the lights on and FI light blinks with the turn signals; the only thing those components share in common with the ECU is the ground connections. None of those components have wiring that passes thru or signals that are processes by the ECU.

    While nothing is impossible at this point without more inspection/troubleshooting, I would be willing to bet all kind of humiliating things that the ECU is just fine.
     


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    You were right from the begginning. Problem solved. Orange connector removed, wires welded and electrically isolated. Bike works just fine. Thanks again for your help.
     


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    Glad you got it fixed.

    Now in my best Roman Empire Voice:

    ALL HAIL TINK! ALL HAIL TINK!

    LOL, good call Tink.
     


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    [​IMG]

    Thanks for letting us and any future readers who might come across the thread know what you found.
     


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