Removing linked brakes?

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  1. APSengineer

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    http://www.jaws-motorcycles.co.uk/bird.htm

    These guys (UK) do a delinking kit including some way of fixing the L/H caliper.

    I'm gonna do it - personally I don't think the linked brakes assist my riding in a positive way, and on a few occasions under (very) heavy braking the bike has tried to swap ends.

    Great for normal and high speed, but when you're really going for it (needed when my mates are on GSXR's and ZX10's) I have 'moments' I wouldn't normally have.

    Certainly it's the wrong bike for this job but it's what I've got.. And I love it!
     
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    Unless you're trying to get into a burnout contest leave them alone . I'm one who almost never uses foot brake almost always the hand brake so I like them linked . If I need more then I'll use both . Front brake lever works 3 pistons and the foot lever works 3 pistons . both you have 6 . By chance if you are into burnout contest then a brake solenoid that we use on race cars would do a better job lol . I just took my 2007 to the track last week and ran 11:30s in the 1/4 almost stock . That's when I thought this is not a race bike . Yes 11:30s are fast anyone tells you 11:30s are not fast should not be on a bike . I love my VFR the way it is and I don't want to beat the hell out of it at the track . Point is if your racing put together a race bike . I'm going to start looking for a mid 1990s CBR 900 and do a drag bike .
     
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    That site is PERFECT!! I'll use that as a starting place.

    So I see you guys have been tossing around the idea of using VTR1000 Superhawk Calipers that will work with the Stock front wheel. Can someone confirm these calipers can mount to the RH (brake) side STOCK VFR fork leg?? I could see this as being a very viable and easy way to de-link. If the caliper mounts are the same, this could be a simple caliper swap, with creating a bracket for the left side. My most viable options revolve around having a bracket machined to mount a caliper to the left side.

    Also.. I'd bet the de-link culture would be significantly opposite, if their were lots of readily available direct swap options, being as easy as installing a slip on.. If direct swaps readily existed I'd venture to say de-linking would be right up there with "throwing on a pipe" of firsts people do when they get their bike.
     
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    Actually, it was answered with a link posted. But in case anyone missed it, here's the first response to this originating post.

     
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    I have done the whole deed....I started by looking at making brackets for using the stock calipers on stock lower tube and it looked outright fugly on the CAD tube, so I abandoned that approach. Changing the lower fork tubes and replace with Super hawk lowers turned out to be the cleanest/best option. Final formula - stock wheel, stock rotors, RC51 calipers and master cylinder, SH lowers, traxxion dynamics revalve, 1.0 kg spring, 4th gen bars..... etc.
    - I would do it again..
     
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    Been there,done that.....

    Nah it's simple enough to do PWH. I removed the entire Linked Braking System from my '03 a decade ago and retained the stock left fork leg,brake caliper,and brake caliper bracket.

    All you need is a length of high grade steel round bar,a lathe,a trained machinist,and some good quality industrial strength epoxy. The rest of the delink is just a basic parts swap.

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    Like Traxxion Dynamics :thumbsup:

    Would chirp the rear tyre on hard braking when I was only using my right hand to haul it down :sad: wtf?

    I dont use my right foot either but know that the truly fast guys on the track used to, just like they had a gp shift pattern too, which I did'nt go for either, still beat oot experts though. Anyway, good thread, good read, dont wana be a hi-jacker. Cheers.
     
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    Err. WRONG.

    On 5th Gen FRONT lever operates 2 pistons per front caliper & the secondary M/C on the left front operates 1 piston in the rear caliper. The foot brake operates the other 2 pistons in the rear & 1 in each front caliper through a differential pressure circuit, which means front right the front left activate, which then means the front left secondary M/C activates the 3rd piston in the rear, so it's a progressive application. There are 9 pistons in total.
     
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    On the 6th gen, using the front brake lever activates the outer two pistons of the left-side front caliper, all three pistons of the right-side caliper and the center piston of the rear caliper. Rear-pedal engagement activates the two outer pistons of the rear caliper and the center piston in the left-front caliper. And as you one can see by the design of the left front caliper, it uses a second, built in master cylinder for the rear center piston. That master cylinder gets activated by the rotational force of the front wheel...it's really a good design, in that the harder you brake the front, the more pressure goes to the rear center piston.
     
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    Well initially I did a de-link which kept the front calipers as standard & drilled them to bring the middle piston into the same front brake circuit. This allowed me to remove the front to rear pipes & adaptors vlaves etc. The rear just used the outer two pistons. This worked bu the front pads dragged eve with new seals, just not enough pull back in the single sided caliper. The braking was adequate, but no better than before other than being de-linked.

    That's why I replaced the whole front & rear brake system. Now I have brakes that are brilliant & right up their with the latest modern tackle. I see Honda has copied me of the 2014 model :)
     
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    And your carrying 4 pounds of dead weight on the front end......
     
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    Where is this "trained machinist" you speak of? They are damn near like unicorns in my observation.
     
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    This is great. Thanks for your picture. So quick clarification. What you've done is plumb the circuit from the floating master cylinder into the single piston of the brake caliper?

    What did the machinist do for you?

    Cool creativity and colors in what you've done.
     
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    Have to agree although the only time I had an issue with Linked brakes was during an a refresher advanced riders course in '05 and was doing the slow crawl around the tight witch hats, still managed it but was a little more difficult than non link brakes would have been.

    Suggest you don't ride a Royal Enfield then and their brakes are not even linked, personally I have swapped over with many friends various litre Superbikes from then new 954s to current HP4s and never I repeat never had an issue re-adjusting to my VFRs linked brakes but I am probably older and have developed some common sense over the years... :playful:
     
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