Cornering Video

Just found this video on YouTube featuring a beautiful Gen 6. (VFR footage begins at 1:44)
I'm rather new here, so regrets if a repost.

[video=youtube;Dl0x88fSgGU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl0x88fSgGU[/video]

 

Typical Aussie presentation stating it as it is.
I like the term "kill zone", its a bit more to the point than say danger zone.
Did anyone see the anti drink/drugs adverts from a few years back? So violent, they just left me wide eyed and stunned.

 

Thanks chief. If it's old, I still haven't seen it. Good video.

 

still learnin, all the time. Mahalo.

 

The Motorcycle Council of NSW (Australia) had a number of these videos produced using Steve Crombie. They are meant for the average Joe Blow to learn a few of the finer points of riding.

Link to the videos:

http://mccofnsw.org.au/a/332.html


Cheers

 

I recall seeing these a while back and forgot about them, good stuff here, especially for newbies. Although the crash statistic info is based on stats for NSW, the numbers seems to cross borders and oceans, at least from some of the info I recall seeing about crash info in the states, give or take a few percents. Thanks for posting.

 

the only issue I have with the video is he tells you to take the corner wide so you can see further around the corner, which puts you in the kill zone and if you have to break hard and the bike sits up then your over the line and into oncoming traffic. I would say take the corner tighter so you have room in your lane for maneuvering

 

It's the "kill zone" in the UK but not for us (US & Canada). When we take the corner wide, it keeps us further from traffic coming the opposite direction and gives us a better view of where the turn is going. Taking the corner sharper puts us in greater danger from oncoming traffic and if you've come in hot or it's a decreasing radius turn (or both), you'll run out of clearance real quick with no time or real estate for corrections.

 

Doesn't it depend on which way the corner is going?

 

Not really. The "kill zone", at least as described in that video, is at the apex. In a right-hander, if you're wide, you'll see oncoming traffic sooner and have more room to move towards the inside. On a left-hander, you're even further away from oncoming traffic at the outset.

 

Surely cornering is all about setting the bike up for the corner i.e. braking done, correct gear and speed so bike is balanced and from there speed can be adjusted by the throttle until progressively accelerating out of the corner.
If you are braking in the corner, changing gear or line through the bend then you got it wrong at the approach.
Not a lot wrong with those Aussie films and they drive on the correct side of the road:cower:

 

Some would beg to differ. Ever hear of trail braking. Check out this link to "The Brake Light Initiative" http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/05/2...motorcycle-control-using-your-braking-skills/.

I've been working on a no coasting approach to cornering, constant (not aggressive) pressure at tip in, lightening until ready to roll on.

 

Good mix of Aussie countryside in there, looks like Eastern Creek to start, then a bit of Victoria with all the tree ferns, and a little bit of the outback, good vid though and we get lots of vids like that on the telly

 

Chief, We are talking about road riding here and not the track aren't we?
I often use my back brake to scrub off a bit of speed in the corner but I have put it down to getting it wrong in the first place. I find it is best to be on the throttle all the way round the corner, I'm still trying to get that right after many, many years of practice. I don't see how trail braking fits in with that?
As far as lines round a corner, in road riding its all about positioning for vision round the corner.

 

Totally road riding with all that that entails - gravel, critters, traffic crossing the centerline, etc. I've never done a track day, however, practicing some of those techniques (foregoing knee & elbow dragging) can’t help but improve one’s skill and safety on the road.

 

Chief, Like you I haven't done a track day and on the road I never stop learning.
I liken riding a motorcycle to playing golf. In golf you don't know what sort of game you are going to have. You go out feeling good and end up having a nightmare.
Sometimes on the bike I'm fast and smooth and really enjoying it and another time I'm like an accident looking for somewhere to happen and that can be on the same day's ride.It can all change after a stop.
Recognising what is happening to you and dealing with it properly is what matters and using experience learned over the years.
As was pointed out to me the other day by a mate who had been to the California Bike Training School he now knows the limit of his tyre grip, found on the track but not used on the road, whereas I have no idea what my limit is. I feel there maybe loads more but I will never find out unless I do some track lessons.

 

I'm with you there drumwrecker, # 1 on my bucket list is a session with YCRS. Once my daughter is finished college, I might be able to scrape together the necessary funds. I should still be under 70 by then.

As to our other shared passion, looks like the Brits & Euros are poised for another Ryder Cup win.

 

This is embarrassing but I'll post it anyway.

I learned counter-steering a long time ago but it was taught as a method for collision avoidance, not a cornering technique. I gave it a try last time out and holy crap, it's a whole different world. Entering a corner a little too fast was easily mitigated with a push to the inside. Pulling up on the opposite side at the same time had a multiplier effect. It was kinda like steer wrestling.

It's thrilling and a bit frightening at the same time because I think I'm going to have to learn to ride all over again.

 

Once you realize that we never stop (or shouldn't stop) 'learning to ride', you'll be in good shape :biggrin1: ...

ACE