Question about Synthetic Oil at 600 mile service

Hello. New to the VFR World. I just purchased a '07 Anniversary Edition VFR which I'm loving! I'm a big fan of Amsoil and have used it for several years in my Toyota truck.
My question to everyone is this. Is it OK to switch to Amsoil (Amsoil 10W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil) after the initial 600 mile service?

Thanks for all your advice/help.

 

From what I have heard, don't use synth oil until you have about 12K on your bike. Synth will allegedly not allow the rings to seal properly in you use it this soon. But like I said, I have only heard this and have no proof.

 

Yea don't use it for a few oil changes (10K miles or so). Also from what i understand, once you go synthetic, you can't go back to the dinosaur-derived variety. And don't ever use high-mileage oil in your bike; the clutch on the VFR is a wet-type, using the engine oil to lube it.

 

Another oil thread, eesh! Just do it if it makes YOU comfortable. Not gonna' cause an issue either way. Conversely, sticking with Dino oil for a while is not going to cause issues either. I think we all know the benefits of synthetics, but using either won't cause your motor to much different in either direction, at least that we'll know and feel.

The problems with going back to Dino oil after synthetic are leftovers from years gone by. There was a time years ago (I believe the 80's had some issues) when you could potentially experience various leaks and/or sealing problems if you went back but this is no longer the case. Basically this is one of those theories that has continued to hang around like a 3,000 mile oil change...no validity! I'm sure a person would only go back to Dino in a pinch or special curcumstance.

Some info for pondering:
http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/NewBike.html#BreakIn
http://mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

While we're on topic and since this is a peeve of mine I thought I would share. Warming up your engine probably has a much to do with engine life as anything and I know I always warm up my motor, even before a ride in 90 degree weather. I read somewhere, yeah I know, I "read" it, but it takes 3 minutes for oil to reach the valves. I always cringe when I see people hop on their bike and pull out immediately. It's just my thing I guess Even if that number is completely off-base, I still baby the crap out of it before reaching full temperature.

 

What two4one said... Changing back and forth between the two will not change anything, but why would you want too.

 

I too have an '07 RWB. The service manual states that break-in is at 300 miles and first service is at 600. At 300 miles I changed my oil and went with a semi-synthetic as opposed to a full-synthetic. I did a bunch of research and what I can tell you is that you won't find anything that conclusively says that it is OK or not.

I based my decision on the following:
1. The rings break in and seal very quickly. Honda says it takes 300 miles, so that is what I go by. If anything, Honda would error on the high side.
2. Honda has an HP4 semi-synthetic oil that is approved for use during the break-in period.
3. On a couple of the websites for the synthetic products, they stated that their product was safe for the break-in period.
4. Many new automobiles come with synthetic oil which is obviously used during the break-in period.

Even though I personally would feel comfortable going with a full-synthetic, I went with a semi-synthetic. Do a little more research off of this site before deciding, but you won't find anything that will tell you to do it or not do it.

 

Hey I dont want to step on toes but i too am a big fan of Amsoil and used to sale it years back i stopped years back due to no time with work however all the of the classes i took on Synthetic oil is to use it from the start when new and if on a used motor to run some engine flush first , i run it in all of my motors and most of my friends use amsoil Synthetic oil, i only have great things to say about it , bit then again its totaly your chiose good luck (speed)

 

What I have read about switching synthetic/dino is just the reverse. You don't want to put synthetic in a high mileage engine. The synthetic oil will clean the inside of an engine so well that old gaskets will start leaking. I have been using synthetic oils for about 25 years now. On an 85 Cherokee I had to have a valve job at 165k. The mechanic could not believe how clean the inside of the valve covers and heads were with that mileage. If your rings aren't seated properly at 300 miles then never will be. By comparison my Liberty turns about 1500 RPM at highway speeds. The 781 seems more comfortable at 4000-4500 RPM. Thus at any point the VFR has turned 3 times the RPM's as a cage. 600 miles on the VFR would be equivalent to 1800 on a cage. More then enough breakin time.

 

Dude NO!!!! not till the 3 thousand mile mark, that stuff is way to slippery to use yet. Love the stuff, it's what I use, but you need to put a few more miles on your VFR my man... good you asked..

 

This is what I'm talking about. Simply saying "NO" and "good you asked" causes someone to read this thread and get the idea that switching to synthetic oil at xxx miles into a break-in period is going to cause an absolute, 100% positive ramification. Using the phrase "good you asked" should be reserved for things that will have an absolute impact on the situation. Questions like can I use diesel fuel in my bike? NO! Good you asked! If anyone asks that by the way, we have serious mechanical deficiencies on this site! :biggrin:

It's a personal choice. One which will not cause ANY catastrophic engine failure or deter it's long term use and functionality. Engine manufacturers wouldn't put synthetic oil in cars from the factory if there was any, ANY chance that it would cause an issue down the road. Even in high-performance applications.

If it makes you feel satisfied by keeping Dino oil in the bike for another XX miles, then do it. If not, then switch. Either way, these motors will not die until long after most of us have gotten rid of them. The previous owner of my bike put AmsOil full synthetic in at 1500 miles. I just changed it again with full synthetic at 4600. Is my engine screwed now??? Come on now fellas' let's be realistic.

Man am I on a soap box! Seriously no offense to anyone. Where's the dead horse???

 

I did replace the oil with Amsoil 10W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil at the first 600 miles service and the motor did not explode, has a matter of fact, it work pretty well and I also lube my chain with Amsoil synthetic gear oil (75W-90) :wink:

I did the same with my previous bike too! :biggrin:

 

Arrrrgh!!!

 

Hey, everyone has a oppion and when every thing is said and done it realy is your choise now isnt it ? you need to reserch it and you have heard from both sides so now go to www.Amsoil.com and see what they say ? and google up both sides for a nother point and i personaly dont know anyone that has had a problem other than oil leaks on older engines that were not taken care of any ways and then put in Synthetic oil, once the brake in is over its your choise ?

 

Link to Amsoil Synthetic Motorcycle Oil -

Not trying to plug Amsoil, but here is the link to the site I order from. Has some pretty interesting information.

https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/mcf.aspx

 

WOW, i guess GM messed up by filling all the LS2s and LS7s, and LS1 vettes with mobil 1 from the factory. i even think that the viper, some/all porsches and benz' come with mobil 1 from the factory. i guess its really that bad for your motor so some of the big names put it in from the start :behindsofa:

 

Beware of synthetic oil, it can do terrible things to you and your beloved motorcycle. It will not only leak out of your engine faster than you can put it in, but it will also cause your oil filter to clog and implode, dumping debris and dirt into your lubrication system. It also will make every part of your bike permanently slippery because of its linear molecular chain dispersion action. Then it will leak onto your kickstand causing it to retract automatically, dropping your bike on the ground! But that's not all...

Synthetic oil will round off your gears and spin your bearings. It will also splatter onto your seat causing your girlfriend to fall off in the apex of a turn and she'll never ride with you again. Synthetic oil coats your sight window and your timing window with a whitish pro-emulsification additive that is both non-removable and highly corrosive. Synthetic oil will completely leak onto the ground overnight and your dog will drink it and die.

Synthetic oil will wear out your tires and make your battery leak. It will give you the desperate need to urinate after you put your full leathers on and then jam your zippers shut. It will contaminate your gasoline causing your bike to stall on railroad tracks and accelerate uncontrollably near police cars. It will make it rain during rallies and on weekends. It will lubricate your timing chain causing it to jump teeth and break your valves to bits. Synthetic oil chemically weakens desmodromic valves and causes the clearances to change every six miles. Then it melts the black soles of your riding boots right before you walk across your new carpeting.

While riding past groups of attractive women it will cause both of your handlebar grips to slip off at the same time so you smash your windscreen with the bridge of your nose. It also causes your swingarm to crack, your studs to break, and your rotors to warp, and then it voids your warranty by changing your odometer reading to 55,555. It also dries out your wet-clutch and wets your dry-clutch. It makes your clutch slave-cylinder seal fail in the heaviest traffic on the hottest day of the year while putting an angry wasp in your helmet for good measure.

Synthetic oil hides your 13mm socket and puts superglue on your earplugs. Synthetic oil will scratch your faceshield and make your gloves shrink two sizes night before trackday. Synthetic oil stole your neutral and sold it to the Chinese for $1.25. Synthetic oil will make you grow a tail. Synthetic oil will write long crazy e-mails to your Internet friends and then sign your name at the bottom…

 

Hey now, I cut to the chase.. tell it like it is, if you know anything about engines, then you'd know why I said it like I did Yea probably not going to hurt the engine to put it in, as it's like 85-90% broke in all ready But since its a simple and easy task, why take the risk. Yep it's your bike to do as you want, he asked, I replied. it's all there is to it. See if I give out any good advice any more. oh and lets see how your bikes engine is is doing with 25-30K on it say in a couple years.., can I say smoking and burning oil, why do I say that? I've seen it first hand way to many times. so again it's your Bike do to it as you please, won't bother me in the slightest bit..

Horse is dead now.