5th Gen Best Mod$: "Actually Readily Obtainable and Available"

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2001 VFR 800 FI

Setup # 1
ECU :"G" Germany
PC 3 : Fuel Map Staintunes, o2 eliminator, aftermarket air filter
AIRBOX: no snorkel(s), no flapper, no holes drilled
AIR FILTER: PiperCross
STAINTUNES: No baffle

Setup # 2
ECU :"A" America
PC 3 : Fuel Map Staintunes, o2 eliminator, aftermarket air filter
AIRBOX: no snorkel(s), no flapper, no holes drilled
AIR FILTER: PiperCross
STAINTUNES: No baffle


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Have got to say I'm really enjoying this thread. Looking at one man keeping his cool and plodding on doing what he wants to do, seeking what to him may be his holy grail whilst others are getting all hot under the collar about it to the extent it reads as if they are about to have an MI.

To them I say stop feeding the fire, give it a break, leave the guy alone with his experiment and wait for him to post results instead of goading him. There are some folk that need to do things for themselves and learn the hard way. :smile-new:

 

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cant speak for everyone, I am not a tuning master by any means, but here is my issue, this guy talks like is knows all about all. had candyred not kept after him, it would have been left at that. and his formula is the best/only answer, not the case. infact he could have steered new members in his foot steps and made them waste their money as he is finding out that he did.

people lost their cool because absolutely nothing could be explained to the guy, when ever facts are presented he by passes them with more b.s. also he made it to like 800 post on vfrd and now another 500 here same shit both places.

 

I am not mad at the guy. I am just trying to figure out if the guy is a complete space cadet or a very high level troll lol. Either way, none of this thread should be taken as anything more than morning shit reading material.

I do find it very comical, that you were so abrasive over me providing one post of factual information about the pros/cons of the 8th gens and what modifications could possibly wake them up, while you are so defensive over a guy that has made about 1000 posts of completely false/misleading and irrelevant information that was already proven 5-10 years ago... You have very skewed priorities lol....

 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Yes I agree with what you are saying with regards to misleading folk. However would you act on something without seeing the final product? It has also been shown by crrc46 that he is going down the wrong path in his pursuit on more than one occasion. Yes there are over 500 posts on this but the OP has made 187 of them and quite a few of them are duplicates. Which leaves over 300 by others most of which have nothing to do with topic. Honestly if someone were misled by what has been said up to date then they must be a sandwich short of a picnic.

 

Did you really just count the posts lol (i guess you went off his total post count)? Anyways.... It (final product) was pointed out a few hundred posts back, that his bike is hitting a brick wall at an indicated 130...

 

But without the rest of the conversation this thread would have died but been able to be seen for years. He may or may not do a dyno run. He may or not post results of said Dyno run. What then all you would have is one guy saying something with no follow up. Weather or not you sick of the back and forth it is needed to have the complete story. But when op argues with facts and he starts name calling first then he ruined the post no one else. But hey like the rest of his post you can take from it what you want.

 

Let's clarfiy this declaration about " hitting a wall a 131.8 mph"

Using the new smartphone mount I got the idea to download a GPS Speed Tracker app so I could accurately track my routine back road "bursts of speed", now remember it's not like I have unlimited open road, plus I can only do this when there are no other vehicles in sight. The first time I turned on the GPS SpeedTracker I achieved 131.8 mph.

131.8 mph somewhere in 5th gear.

Next idea was to make a few minor adjustemts in order to attempt to use the GPS Tracker can help determine if there are any differences in ECU power in terms of "road condition max speed" on routine ride. Today it was pouring rain

 

My thoughts on him and the thread on both forums are the same as yours.

As for being defensive the guy has taken some amount of what is tantamount to abuse from a whole stack of folk and still wants to stick to his project. Whilst I know practically nothing about tuning a bike I do know from experience that a different Ecu will produce different results. Sadly he has not made the correct choice.


On the second point you make ( whilst I do respect you for the research and work you have done on your bike 6th gen as well as your engineering knowledge) You state for a fact that the mods will work on an 8th gen bike but are asking that someone else get the exhaust dynoed and other things as opposed to testing them on an 8th gen yourself and go on the defensive when someone suggests that you put your hand in your pocket. You have made no effort to convince anyone. Why r6 or r1 stacks ( I can't clearly remember) why not zx9 or zx10 or Ducati ones? How about trying to explain some of the science to those who don't know much?

I admit knowing eff all about tuning, I have had a play around with tune ecu on my t595 and did notice differences that's about my limit. No point in making a 5 BHp gain if you can't use it in reality cos it all at top end.

 

Again this is what drag strip/ dyno for. No worries about cars. Or the road ending unless you are on a drag strip then those do end. But if it takes you 25 seconds or 1.5 miles to get to 131.8 mph how fast will you go in a 1/4 mile?

 

I stated for a fact that:

8th gen engines have softer intake cams and exhaust ports than 6th gens. Also that 8th gens have velocity stacks that are further tuned for low end, than the 6th gen velocity stacks that were also tuned for low end.

My comment on the 8th gen exhaust is a guess, following the trend that Honda has been following since 1998. It is probably true, but not a definite fact.
I have no way to test out this guess, since I DO NOT OWN AN EIGHTH GEN.

My saying to use the various velocity stacks is directly from my already proving that R6 velocity stacks raised the trap speed on my quarter mile runs.

This is also why I suggested to try Rapid Bike and a two brothers header, as they both also showed a gain in trap speed.

As far as you saying that I should go and do it myself, I already did on my 6th gen... I don't know why you would expect me to go out and buy an eighth gen, to do it all over again, as that's pretty ridiculous.

 

Yup yup yup yup yup but, I've got a very different life situation, so I have to build it into my local routine and "orbit", I return from my lunch break on the VFR when the roads are empty and conditions are "ideal" no traffic, long open straight road with total line of sight. I am in a very remote and rural area, that's all I tell you. This is just closesly monitoring actual GPS speed during " high speed burst opportunities " so I should be able to determine with the GPS Speedtracker if the setup produced more or less power, it's primitively simple

 

You're actually pretty well rounded but need to get you a 5th Gen to be a "true bro"

 

There's nothing really wrong here,it's quite simple,I recently bought a 5th Gen with 12k mileage in perfect condition and decided to move forward with a few modern upgrades. The ECU G was only $150 and checking actual GPS speed to find out what runs fastest. I switched out the headers for the Black Widow because the bike was running hot. I have not spent one cent in a shop and really think the 5th Gen is a life long worthy machine,period

 

But he has already posted results. He hasa previously claimed that his is the best mostest faster 5G ever modified so everyone else can suck it.

All anyone who you think may be having an MI is doing is to prod and poke for back up substantiation of this spectacular claim other than "I-know-more-than-you-ever-will-butt-dyno".

 

You're actually coming around for a guy who started out by stating that you knew the key to performance for this bike and it was German ecu (because the have the Autobon?) and a set of what were once proven to be marginally poor OEM replacement headers fabbed in china and engineered in the UK.

I would drill or change anything on your airbox yet because it es simply plug and play to swap back to the US ecu and hit another secluded lunch run to see if the speed is the same, improved or worse.

I applaud your efforts making the 5G VFR yours especially with regards to the suspension upgrades you have invested in. I think they are one of the best bikes of the past 20 years.

 

This is not even near being finished, so I totally understand why you're nervous

 

Someone shoot me a PM when cats bike is actually faster than it was when it was stock. I'm not going to hold my breath lol.

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