Prayers for Manchester

Agreed there. Totally different motivation for their actions. You will "never" see Japanese people use their kids as IEDs among many other behaviors (e.g. beheading sisters/daughters and parading around the streets holding the head because they had improper physical relations)...

 

Obviously not - but in some ways they are an even bigger threat to the United States than Japan ever was and today's islamic suicide bombers (pilots in the case of 9/11 who almost killed one of my brothers by the way) are just as nutty in their own special way as the kamikaze pilots of 70 years ago. Therefore the problem should be dealt with accordingly as described above IMO. The good thing about my plan is after it's fully implemented there's a good chance the islamic countries will actually become our allies and maybe even build us nice cars and motorcycles just like the Japan of today :glee:

 

As far as every action having a reaction - well, remember that a terrorist act is the INITIAL ACTION, NOT our response to that act. If we want to reference Newton (paraphrased) - a body in motion will continue along that path until it's acted upon by another force. Terrorism is already happening. If nothing is done, it's going to CONTINUE to happen until their goals are met - the eradication of all non-believers and or assimilation by threat or forced genetic mixture (i.e. Rape) - and that's coming straight from the terrorists' mouths.

 

Ok, getting up on my soap box for a minute here:

Most regular folks - decent productive members of society - can't fathom, understand, and/or rationalize the actions of "regular", non-psychopathic, criminals. Things criminals do often don't make much sense at all and people are amazed at to what lengths some of these "regular" criminals will go to do the things they do.

Most people have also NOT been "seriously victimized" by said criminals and the saying goes something along the lines of nothing turns a liberal into a conservative faster than being a victim of crime, especially a serious one. And most people haven't had to deal with criminals, especially on a regular/daily basis.

A lot of people can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that EVIL, plain pure EVIL, exists in this world and there is NOTHING you can do to reason with it or rehabilitate it and putting your head in the sand won't make it go away either.

Religious fanaticism? EXPONENTIALLY "crazier" than "regular" criminals. Would any of you use your 6 year old to blow up your "enemies"? Would any of you move to another country, place yourselves higher than the natives, demand that the natives there follow your beliefs and value systems, and if they don't, physically assault and rape them? Do any of you believe that everyone else in the world who doesn't believe in the same God(s) (or no god for the atheists/agnostics) as you deserves to be killed and that it's your duty to make that happen?

Most of us don't know probably even a tenth of the things that go on over there - me included. I have friends in various military organizations, US and US allied countries, that occasionally tell me stories (that I have no reason to doubt). What's amazing is that so many people seem to be ignoring or disbelieving all the sh1t that's happening to various European countries in recent years. IMnshO, we're going to see more and more activity here in the US, especially with all of the people from that "other side" who have been allowed by previous administrations to come en masse - not the crazy numbers that Europe is dealing with but still significant.

If you don't believe the news, videos, etc (e.g. search youtube for Muslim invasion of Europe or something similar) take a look at their own publications (Rumiyah, Dabiq): https://clarionproject.org/islamic-state-isis-isil-propaganda-magazine-dabiq-50/

 

Whoops, forgot to say I'm off the soap box - sorry for the rant. Let's talk about motorcycles and happier topics, I'm done with this one...

 

No need to apologize because a) I posted this in the "Anything Goes" sub-forum, and b) I agree with you :witless:

But with that said, I too will focus on motorcycles now and start posting some more pics of classic Hondas I took last weekend.

 

Alaskan one thing you missed about about leaving Assard in power, that has now forced millions of Syrians to scatter all over the world which has done terrible damage to many countries even as far away as Australia with thousands being allowed in here pretty much unvettd. God help Germany over the next few years

 

Actually there are several instances in recent history of successful counterinsurgency operations. Malaya and Oman being two that spring quickly to mind. Oman is very interesting in this context too. Anyone interested in this topic should read about Operation Storm. That's a really interesting read.

 

Well at least Japan has got it right and will soon probably one of the safest places to live. Muslim immigration is not allowed there, must be some reason for this, the Japs are smarter that the rest of us mug countries

 

Through the manufactured concept of "political correctness" the liberal news media (all news media) has diluted the word "illegal" to mean nothing. Resist this immoral, evil agenda and protect yourselves. Nobody else cares to do that. I'm going to ride VFR soon.

 

Heavy losses on both sides in the WWII kamikaze attacks on US warships. A little homework shows that the "devine winds" were probably monsoons or hurricanes interrupting the Mongol fleets of Ghengis Khan from attacking the Japanese coast way the hell back in the day. The US term was not always kamikaze but "baka" or baka bombs. According to a couple of sources, baka means stupid.

Then we got the wind emanating from the nether orifice of mingator that ain't in no way devine.

 

Do you know what Assad did for a living before he was president? Don't google it.

 

Some kind of eye doctor ?

No desputing Assads father was a despot, but I remember watching docos at the time before he was put in power after his fathers death. The common thread was the Assad was well liked by all sides and non sectarian.

Probably his undoing but instituted grievance councils which he'd personaly chair and he tried hard within Syrias system to change things including among many other reforms modernising and freeing up their communications Networks which obviously bit him on the bum later.

When talking to guys that spent years working for western companies in ME countries, oddly enough "fatbastard" has a point about Oman as a few say Oman was seen as the best ME country to live and work with Saudi Arabia & Gaddafis Libya among the worst with Socialist Syria somwhere in the middle but still an interesting place to work, live and travelling around amazing historical sites freely without fear of religous persecution.

Not to judge but it's clear from Wikileaks releases prior to 2011 and Arab spring the US knew Alqaeda and other Jihadi groups were being supported by the Saudi government and Erdongans Turks to undermine the Assad government and going back to increased internet freedom bitting him on the bum the release of Hillery emails showed she instuted a plan to actively encourage agitation with vague hints of US military support to overthrow Assad for Israel's sake.

 

Just a few thoughts here for what it's worth.

The vast majority and I mean VAST majority of the victims of Islamic terrorism have been Muslims.

The vast majority of the people fighting IS on the ground, at the pointy end, getting killed are Muslims.

When IS has been kicked out of territory they have held, ordinary Muslims have been pretty happy, shaved their beards off and got back to normal as best they can and with great relief. They don't want it.

The people being terrorised daily are the people living under the boot of IS in their territory who have been unable to get out and would have if they could. People running from IS are hardly likely to be sympathetic to their cause.

It's very easy to make sweeping statements about Muslims, disregarding that any Muslim country is just like any other, some people rock up to church and don't really believe, some people don't go at all and a few are very devout. Muslims are just people like anybody else. Most of the radical jihadi ideology has originated in Wahabism in Saudi Arabia and Mr Trump just did a vast arms deal with the Saudis. Yet they have been exporting their extreme interpretation of Islam around the world for decades. Yeah very successful trip that. I guess keeping the arms dollars flowing in is pretty important to your economy.

For what it's worth, supporting dictators is a very short sighted option. Sooner or later they lose control and when they do there is a vast amount of anger directed at the people who propped them up despite knowing all about the atrocities they committed. The west is not popular in Iran because we propped up the Shah's regime at the expense of the population. Oman is a stable country now in part because we removed the Sultan who was a despot living in luxury while his people lived a couple of steps up from Medieval conditions. Regime change can work if the whole package is right. Iraq was a clusterfuck. Plan for the war, no plan for the peace. End of story.

Wherever you go you will find the majority of people are generally pretty easy to get along with. There are a few rat bags wherever you go, some of them have guns but there are far more ratbags with guns in US than there are in Indonesia. No offense meant and I'm not making a judgement on your right to bear arms, but you have a lot of criminals with easy access to guns and a demonstrated willingness to use them.

I have been injured (through my own clumsiness) in Muslim countries and been treated with great care and kindness despite obviously being both western and an infidel. I am an infidel in the true meaning of the term. An unbeliever or atheist. Most Muslims actually tolerate other faiths pretty well, but are very uneasy about people who don't believe in anything. My wife collapsed crossing the road in Sydney and most of those white, christian respectable people stepped over her or walked around her and left her in the street. She was a little slip of a thing weighing 45 kg and dressed in a business suit. So how much nicer and better are we than the people who went out of their way and spent their own money and cared for me in Indonesia or in Dubai.

People are just people wherever you go. All this talk of nuking whole cities, or taking out families for summary execution is just madness. It doesn't work. It didn't stop the resistance against the Nazis in the second world war. It didn't stop the Afghans when the Russians hit and wiped out whole villages. It just breeds a new generation of haters. Troops patrolling in Northern Ireland could talk to 10 year old kids of either side who could tell them every atrocity committed against their side in the history of the Irish troubles going back to the time of Cromwell. Violence begets violence and hatred begets hatred and so on for generations if you don't break the cycle.

NormK wants to take out the families of terrorists and shoot them. OK mate, you want to do that ? I expect you to pull the trigger. I expect you to be the man who looks into the eyes of a five year old girl, crying and clinging to her mother and you pull the trigger. Are you up to that ? I don't think you are. Sane people who are outraged by a mindless attack like this are not the sort of people who can murder innocents in cold blood. If you aren't that sort of person then I suggest that you put that hideous idea back into whatever box in your head you dragged it out of and leave it there. Having done that, think about the irrationality of the young man who did this. If he's convinced that as a martyr he will go straight to paradise and actually yearns to get there, do you think he's too worried about his family joining him ? They would be martyrs too. All you would achieve is to turn his entire community against you. You think that's going to work ? Really ? Of course you don't but now you've got it out of your system perhaps we can move on.

 

Very well put.

 

Well okay

 

That sure sounds good. I'm liking the Japanese approach better.

 

Them tear-a-wrists are just "losers" according to our idiot prez, who couldn't come up with anything better. :eek-new:

 

How much do you know about it? Sorry I find your outbursts downright offensive you can't even put forward a argument to support your reasoning. Fucking ignoramus.



You have just put yourself in the same class as the extremists with your outbursts. Because that's where it all starts. Some idiot says "let's go kill em all", then hey ho the ball starts rolling next thing you know"...............