Prayers for Manchester

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  1. Alaskan

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    The shooter at the Congressional baseball game was a home-grown nutball from Illinois.
     
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    Not by doctors or nurses, but by ordinary people in the street. Some of whom ran to pharmacies and spent their own money on bandages. I expect doctors and nurses to look after me that is their job after all. The contrast I wanted to highlight was the people in Indonesia and the UAE who rushed to my aid vs the Australians in Sydney who walked around and stepped over my wife and left her lying in the middle of the street.

    Speaking as one who has been involved in the evacuation of a single small hospital I can guarantee you that you can't evacuate everyone from a whole city. The ones that are staying are helpless and vulnerable and possibly still being cared for by professionals who refuse to abandon them.

    When you are dealing with people who are generally motivated by a misguided sense of injustice punishing entire cities of innocent people only makes more recruits. A lot more.

    You may not be aware of this but the UK authorities do get a lot of input from and work with the local Muslim community to spot individuals at risk of radicalisation. 24 hour covert surveillance is resource intensive. Three shifts 24 seven a few varied cars, premises to rent for OPs, and probably 3 to 6 bodies per shift minimum. It's also a highly specialised job so trained bodies are not in endless supply.

    Information from the community helps in targeting and prioritising that job. You can''t watch everyone all the time and they do an amazing job with the resources available. Meanwhile the conservative government talk big about security and slash hundreds of police jobs.

    1945 was a war. Totally different scenario and frankly nuking Hiroshima is no different to the firebombing of Dresden with conventional weapons. The battle of Britain with Hitlers mass bombings set a precedent there anyway.

    Now here's a question for you. When the London bombers a few years ago were all from Manchester, Birmingham and Leeds, do you think Nuking the entire British midlands after the London tube attaks would have helped and if so how? Which cities do you want to Nuke? The ones their grandparents came from?

    I'm not advocating giving them all jobs or walking away and giving up. We do need to be far smarter and far more ethical in how, where and when we choose to get involved. Neither if those is a realistic option. You can't give people jobs in a war zone the conflict has to end first. That doesn't mean all those conflicts need to be won or lost.

    Northern Ireland is settling down now. They got sick of killing each other and decided to compromise and work out a solution. There is still distrust and even animosity but he bombs and bullets have stopped. It will take a few generations for things to really settle.

    The middle east is not that different, in principle but far more complex in practice, there are a whole bunch of interlinked conflicts, some territorial, some political, some sectarian and some tribal. There is a constantly shifting array of strategic alliances between different groups in different countries and we in the developed world have stirred that pot vigorously since the second world war for our own political and financial gain. We can work towards stable governments with good governance practices and try to mediate settlements but ultimately you have to let them solve it as they won't stop fighting until they are prepared to negotiate and compromise. IS are a little different they won't compromise and they won't stop but we need to help the locals deal with them where we can. We also need to not make it any worse if possible.

    Resorting to our own extremist behaviour is never going to reduce theirs. It just validates it by lowering ourselves to their level.
     
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    Maybe just nuke the bad ones?
     
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    Nice, if you can arrange that BB, go for it :).

    Or just Nuke em all and let God sort them out, oh dang it now we have to fight over which God sorts it out. :(
     
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    I am actually in the process of designing and building a nuclear weapon that will target only the bad ones Billy.
    After that I am going to tweak it so it only targets stupid people.
    Of course the second nuke will need to be many times more powerful.
     
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    Upon returning from Wal*Mart, I was all ready for a trip to Mar A Lago to discuss this whole issue with great leader and the SOB won't let me run a tab.

    I think great leader and God are in his mind, one in the same.
     
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    Are you soliciting lists of names?
     
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    Are you mad? That would destroy the rainforests.
     
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    Or about to be... The rainforests will have to go or we will be soon running out of TP.

    I think there will be a market for the portable versions of your proposed device.
     
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    I missed that from Norm. He is way off base there.
     
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    A special kind of "special" nuke may be needed for Norm.
     
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    Well the Hindu's will probably win, they have the most gods. LOL
     
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    It's about time someone made sense after the Manchester attack, listen from 2:21 & 5:12 where human rights activist and Muslim Sara Khan makes good points in suggesting the Muslin community need to admit radicalised Islamic Terrorists has come from their own community, if people like her succeed in challenging and changing the Islamist narrative to one of greater tolerance from within then perhaps the number of attacks against civilians in Western countries by radicalised Jihadists can diminish.

    Douglas Murray with Sara Khan - Confronting Extremism after Manchester:
     
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    u gottA be totally crazy yourself. Moselm is a religion, not a race. with attitudes like yours a court should restrict your firearm licenses before you shoot someone.

    yo mama be in KKK , yo !
     
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    Thanks. It was a bit strange that the terrorists were shot down in front of the pub I used to drink at 1-2 times a week. In fact I was there the week before. Only been back once since, though, and there is no trace of any of the mayhem of a few weeks ago, and nobody seems to have taken much notice. The railings on the bridge the white van crashed into are still fenced off, but that's more to do with the cast iron having been snapped off and I don't think they can easily repair it. There are metal barriers along the bridge itself to prevent vehicles from mounting the kerbs, so they'll have to figure out some other way to mass murder innocent people.

    It's also strange that life has seemingly gone back to normal so quickly. I still drink outside of pubs with my mates, armed with nothing more than a pint glass (safety glass these days) in case some religious nutjob decides to murder some infidels. We Londoners are all a little bit "Millwall" now...

    In the days afterwards I thought about "safety" quite a lot, but not so much thereafter. Everybody I know has also gone back to doing exactly what they were doing beforehand--nobody is "terrorised", except a few unlucky people who were directly affected. What a waste. Of lives. Of effort.

    Ciao,
     
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