ABS

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  1. duccmann

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    Yeah, ABS has made some huge advancements. Cornering ABS is probably the one electronic feature, I feel should be on all motorcycles. Having the ability to defeat it, say for racing or track riding or just for preference, would be the "compromise" to those who are opposed to being forced to have it, if it were made mandatory.
     
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    ABS was certainly one of the features that I was looking for in a new bike last time round. Mine doesn't have cornering ABS but I think it's only a matter of time before they all have it and as you say OOTV I'm sure that they'll make it switchable.
     
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    Interesting indeed. Has come a long way since it first came out. I wonder how many would actually use that off button (track day etc exclusions) I most certainly wouldn't.
     
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    I would - my other 10 bikes don't have ABS so I have to change my braking style to match the bike..
    Thats not to say it doesn't have uses - torrential rain, snow etc....
     
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    Haven't changed my braking style at all and regularly swap between non abs and abs bikes, if anything it has helped/taught me to brake more effectively
     
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    Just out of curiosity, do you lock the brakes often riding your other bikes? To the best of my knowledge, that would be the only time the ABS would make your bike behave in a different manner.
     
  8. derstuka

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    If it can save your ass, it is a winner in my book. I've had this argument before about how I believe having ABS (any form) would benefit everybody who rides. Most people counter-argue by stating how a pro can out brake an ABS bike (in ideal conditions). They choose to always focus on the "pro racer" picture of controlled conditions (e.g. track) instead of real world (public roads) and unexpected scenarios (animals, dirt/sand, ice/snow, wet pavement, bad pavement, painted lines, oil/anti-freeze on the road, etc) that can and do arise on the road.

    Same can be said for cars. ABS is now standard, much improved, and along with traction control, stability control/yaw angle control, it is about 100 times better than the first versions. Add in auto braking, and accident avoidance, and you are potentially saving many lives. If you think back long enough, people were trashing ABS as an unneeded "nanny" when it first came out, but it has saved countless lives since its inception. People of course will argue that removing the person from being in control is the best safety measure, and they are right, "IF" we lived in a perfect world, without inclement weather, road debris, bad pavement, dirt roads, etc.

    Yadda, yadda, yadda, and the chicken pooped in my lap.
     
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    Does your model have the linked brakes?
    yep - most days the bike chirps at me. Lol.
    The back I don't mind being a little loose and squirrelly, also not too worried about the front much either as most of my braking I'm in a straight line and so very rarely locks .

    My gut feel is that the 8th gen is probably better for me as they have removed the linked brakes but retained the abs. I'm not against ABS, I just don't think the 6th gens is great....
     
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    If I was that concerned about my safety I'd never ride a bike or drive a car. I ride a bike because I love it. If I want a computer to do the driving for me I'll get a google self drive robot to do it. Yes, it will be safer than me doing it, but life is to be lived not endured. BMW have got a bike with a gimbal that can't fall over... that would be my idea of hell.

    Don't get me wrong I'm not against ABS. I just believe that having the right 'tools in the locker' are more valuable than a computer making the choices for you.
     
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    Present model doesn't. But on saying that I hop between several bikes. Non abs, linked with abs, servo assist and abs non linked and in general clock up
    1.5K plus miles per month.

    So what your saying is that your problem is really with the linked brakes and NOT ABS.

    What on earth are you doing daily to have the rubber chirping?
     
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    Braking. Lol
     
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    You are a rabid anti-ABS SOB Pete! LMAO.

    I only touched on the "removing the driver completely" fully-autonomous car/bike bit because I knew that someone would go there. Though I can honestly say, I would much rather have a computer doing the driving than some of the bad drivers I see on the road.

    So you mean if something came out that made riding that much safer, something that has the potential to increase your odds of getting home alive to your family (while still being able to have a fun ride), you would say, "no thanks, I'll pass?" And you are also saying you more faith in yourself in "all conditions" on a bike or a car without ABS, than one with it, due to the fact it has a computer helping prevent wheel lock-up?

    Of course, I think you have your own right to do whatever you want, as it is your life, I was just curious as to your response.
     
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    I'm not convinced you read my last line...

    Don't get me wrong I'm not against ABS. I just believe that having the right 'tools in the locker' are more valuable than a computer making the choices for you.
     
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    Oooh, I read it alright Baba Joe. Having the right "tools" in the locker was never in question, having "additional technology" which could potentially safe your life was. No use splitting hairs....get out and "chirp" those tires on decel! Impressive!
     
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    I've had a chance to ride a KTM with cornering ABS. It was amazing, and unobtrusive. People are always resistant to change, always were, always will be. Some more than others though.
     
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    Sure wish I would have had ABS yesterday morning when I came inches from t-boning a Ford F1,000,050 who decided to turn left in front of me and a cop. Glad no one was behind me when I had to NOT lock my brakes in the seconds I had to make the decisions to control the bike while coming to a complete stop from a 45 mph pace. Barely made it. Literally inches. Sheriff followed me to where I immediately pulled over to see if I was okay instead of chasing the guy down for stupid arse driving. The sheriff thought I was a sure goner. The kind of goner gear probably would not have saved me from.

    I had the tools, but the tech would have given me the better stopping power I needed, because I cannot mash the brakes in those times without causing a worse scenario. I can only hope for the best. I was DAMN lucky yesterday morning.

    I can only imagine how that scene would have played out had I been in a corner on my non-ABS moto.
     
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    Glad you made it. Seems drivers only care about their schedule and shaving that 5 seconds it would take for you to go by is justification for their stupidity!
     
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    Wow - so glad you didn't get hurt AM - that sounds like a real close call and everyone's worst nightmare of someone turning left in front of you. I highly recommend getting an LED flasher to help those idiots see you coming - it's no guarantee of course but it has definitely helped me out on a few occasions.

     
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    Most of the time it's not about then not seeing you, it's their impatience that makes them turn in front of you. This happens all of the time, even when in the car. I had someone turn right in front of me while I was driving and with literally no one behind me! People don't want to wait until it's safe, they just want to go when they think they can make it.
     
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