Complete VTR1000 front end swap.

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  1. mello dude

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    Dude....
    I am trying out printing mostly just for fun to feed my engineer brain....
    Mbe after I am done you could take these...to be my test foole....
    (No promises)
     
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    Hey I'll be the test fool! Lol
     
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    Ok....you're it! :Bounce:
     
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    There's first time for everything, kinda cool.. Made these from ABS, tough stuff.
    Now need to figure threads for the direct fender attachment.. melt in? Dunno...
    20240912_131647.jpg 20240912_131650.jpg 20240913_202700.jpg
     
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    You should not buy a printer just to make theese. You should buy a 3D printer if you wan't a new hobby :)
    I'd gladly print the parts, but you can also use a local print service. Or perhaps Mellow can print them, now that he's got a printer(?) Anyways, I will send you a PM
     
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    Well done. Nice prints!
    I have recently added more details on the melt in threads on thingiverse. I you're not succesfull with the melt in threads the first time, you can always print new ones and have another try :)
     
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    Yeah, I consider this a test version for printing, very easy. I can use the printer any time I want, cool.
    It could be my lack of experience with plastics, but the melt in thread thing, not really comfortable with that. (Didnt see the melt in info on your thingverse page... mbe you could post here? And what inserts did you use?)
    Just figuring stuff, but if you have thread supported from the backside of the part, then there is material that the insert can pull against and be a strong joint.
    Again my ignorance with plastics, but looking at different inserts too. --- I could cut threads from the back if that would support this.. -- (please review my PM)
    ....Like
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0937JRX1...tant-video&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWw

    And Keenserts, I have experience with...
    https://www.amazon.com/KNML6x1-0-Recoil-Lightweight-Keensert-Internal/dp/B0D45RWZF8/ref=sr_1_13?crid=2PHUE9APVENKW&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.kfFMynpVSQPuuPMVU6iEF7mGyW9GeSz76bQmEmP7j5mOuNdn1niC_po15VgaFBNF9bXirVoLxHG3FrCwdcTI61ReBbemCrgWME7PnWuXaIC0d9R_kdu0Dr2FepFi75avSUAIFLGkBSP-9NypUdf46b71_o1oINa4DoXP3MVKvzrgJmo8ViMjEdGYUbDgP7unMntH60dEkqW0Ri7Ucx1h_yQb1I7GrM_mv0vYf4bItHE.FjOa6ke6LaHh4UQmXsq72CFZ5dC622wn9cCNYORrW8I&dib_tag=se&keywords=keenserts&qid=1726335190&s=instant-video&sprefix=keenserts,instant-video,141&sr=1-13-catcorr

    Again just like to emphasize.. I am learning as I go.. :)
     
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    Might consider thread inserts much like Honda uses on their ABS bodywork. It's a smaller OD (which is also knurled) until a fastener threads in and pushes a little plate down which expands the insert into the plastic.

    PXL_20240914_180817609.jpg

    I always remove any from junk bodywork and "reset" them to fix other bodywork where they have been pulled out and are missing. Reinstall in the damaged hole with a some good epoxy and let cure, then run a fastener in to "set" them. Done it dozens of times.
     
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    Thx Captain...Got a link to a source?
    I figure I will try several ways for this to see which I like..
     
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    The Honda style with the push plate (which I like the best) is hard to find in retail qtys. I have done it before, but at the moment the right key words are eluding me. I will keep looking.
     
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    Well the threads from amazon are probably also ok. You can also make the version of the adaptor on thingiverse where you just cut threads in the parts. They will probably work fine, although not as strong as the Heat-Set Inserts. I have used a ton of Heat-Set Inserts for prototypes in my work/hobby life. The it is like everything that are new to you: It seems hard until you try it, thereafter it is simple and you want Heat-Set Inserts in a lot of the things that you print :)
     
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    Tried the heat insert thing.... Damn that was easy, I shouldnt have fretted over it...
    Bought all the gear on Amazon.. Found it takes a steady hand to press inserts in.
    Did one at a very slight angle.. probably just takes some practice to get them straight.
    Lots of photos this time.
    Some before/after stuff and some fastener stuff....
    Fastener notes..
    - I like the Honda collars (84706-415-000) to reduce body part wear, along with nylon washers...Perfect for 6mm. (check pic)
    - For the nerd side, titanium wide head 6mm bolts, (sweet)..
    - Tried the idea out where the Frankenbolt goes with a rotor bolt and rubber washer instead. Last pic...

    And a huge thanks to MiguelDK for working with me on this, I enjoyed it!
    I'm gonna have to bone up on my CAD skillz.. (like I had any in the first place)
     

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    1) Have an Amazon link for the heat insert thing?
    Got a set of brackets coming in from Il. $16.41 shipped. Will update once received.
    2) Thanks to @Captain 80s, found the proper frankenbolt replacement (90113-MM5-000) . Better than the (90104-MN4-000) I used and required a hand made rubber washer (pic)

    Thanks @MiguelDK sharing this bracket!
     

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    For info.... Amazon links to stuff I bought...
    Inserts.
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09ZNW4PC9?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1
    Solder Iron.
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09J7WM6RH?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1
    Heat press insert tips for solder iron...
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09J7WM6RH?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1

    Hey could you guys check the links to see if they are ok?
    thxz

    Some more stuff.. I found rubber washers at the hardware store..
    I never use the frankenbolts for strapping something down...
    ... Still like the tryout with the rubber washer/collar/rotor bolt as last pic in my last post.
    At Lowe's has a good stash of Hillman hardware.... Its in that stuff.
     
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    Link 1 goes to inserts, thanks!
    Links 2 and 3 are to same solder iron.
    Do you have link to solder iron tips?
     
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    Used https://craftcloud3d.com/, uploaded the file and got a quote for $11.31 plus $5.00 shipping for total of $16.31. Ordered Wed Oct 2 an arrived Tues Oct 8.
    On Amazon bought a Vertical Heat Press https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CNWJR455, includes everything needed to press 2mm - 8mm brass inserts
    Thanks again @MiguelDK



    Craftcloud.jpg Press_01.jpg Bracket_01.jpg
     
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