How many of you would buy a VFR 1000

I wouldn't.

I may be tempted but my 06 VFR 800 is awsome and i very rairly need more power, and almost every instance i have it was probably a good thing i didn't.

I would be happier with a change to the gear system but i for one enjoy the vtech.

Trimming down the wieght and minior improvments would be more in line with what i would be looking for.

But again my bike is mostly paid for it would have to be something fairly amazing to replace the one i have.

 

Honestly, my preference would be to see Honda go the other way and bring back the 500 Interceptor, but with modern frame/suspension/tires. Small, light, sharp handling, but with the traditional VFR ergos for reasonable comfort. Remember - weight is the enemy...

 

I'm sorry,
But Powerslave, & porschebob is on crack, Honda is not going to build a bike that is in direct competition with the ST1300, whether it's a 1000, 1300, or 1400, because that would be $$$$ wrong, & 2, they already have that bike.

Yes the 800 can have the HP pumped up with tuning & cams(gear driven), that would be more possible to do & cheaper on costs for the up date.

B U T !

It will take more than that, It will take wt loss, & better ergos, styling, link less brakes(with or w/o ABS option).

You never seen so many heads turn & Willow springs & ACH when I strolled out with my (now my brothers, since I gave it to him) '05VFR800/'86VF1000 with the under-tail exhaust & RC51 front end & bodywork :biggrin:

#1 comment is W T F !, with a follow up of - NOW that's what a VFR should be ! :tongue:


Now Honda, just build the Damn thing, & for those that like the VFR the way it is, Well there will be a boat load of used bikes available for you

 

1000 Vfr

I have just come from the Motorcycle Show in Toronto, On Dec 7/07 and there were two bikes from Europe both Honda 1000 cc The Varadero and the GSF are the same Horsepower but the Varadero is a V twin and the GSF is an inline four. The Varadero is supposed to be an dual sport but it is too big and heavy and very high for short guys like me. The GSF has upright handlebars the same as the Varadero and only has a half fairing. They are both 95 HP compared to our VFR's at 110. The rear tire on the GSF in a 160 compared the 180 on a VFR (6th). Both look nice and may turn a shorter turning radius. Look them up and see what you think. You may have to look under 1000cc rather than GSF and Varadero.

 

my two cents

Hi all,

I actually stumbled upon and subsequently signed up the forum after googling the words VFR 1000...

Besides the obvious (VFR !), the bikes I fancy at the moment are the Kawi ZX-14 for its endless power and the Triumph Sprint ST. It's been said before, I think it's fair to say the Sprint took the crown of best sport-tourer away from the VFR.

The opportunity for Honda is to review their lineup by replacing both the Blackbird (it's losing the Hypersport fight to the Busa and Ninja zx14 anyway) and the VFR by a single model targetting the Sprint ST instead and reclaiming the sport-tourer crown.

My perfect new VFR would therefore have :

About the same weight as the existing one - it's perfect for the real world, lighter would possibly be less comfortable and I have no problems keeping up with the 600 supersport in the twisties on real roads (agree it'd be a different story on the track, but hey..)

More bottom-end grunt for corner exit would be nice, sometimes feels a tad underpowered when carrying a pillion, it's all relative of course - I know I can downshift but if I wanted a screamer I'd get a 600 - Am considering an extra tooth at the back but I reckon more displacement is the real answer, 1000 or even 1100cc ? Dont really need it but would happily take the extra top-end power that would come with it. Let's say 120 to 140HP, but low and midrange grunt is really what I want to see.

A slightly bigger fuel tank- let's say 20 or 22 l

Bigger brakes, with or without CBS and ABS

I like the looks of the Gen6, so something along the same lines

Bring back the gear-driven cams (with or without VTEC, can do without personally)

For comfort, a slightly thicker seat, some strategically located silent blocks to absorb a few unwanted vibrations without sacrificing chassis rigidity, maybe a slightly better protection from wind (the extra cc will make up for it)

Of course keep the awesome road ride quality ! I reckon it's the reason why I can keep up with the 600s and even show my rear tyre now and then, the 600s would certainly be faster at the limit, but at a somewhat "reasonable" (if not legal...) pace the VFR is easier to ride fast and can make average riders like me looks good and I'd sure like Honda to keep it that way - there are enough supersport, superbikes and hypersports out there and we dont need another one.

Cheerios

 

I could be interested, but only if it came:

- with gear driven cams.
- with single sided swing arm
- four cylinder

ciao, Luigi

 

Sweet

 

It sounds like your wish may be coming true BUT... I was in my local Honda Dealer the other day and was told that a 1000cc replacement for the VFR is on the way. However, a very big however, it is going to be an In Line 4. No VTEC and no gear driven cams. He seemed very certain of the I4. He wasn't long on specifics but it seems realistic to me. Honda makes a pretty good 1000 already which could be relatively easily, read economically, retuned as an ST engine.

He also mentioned a more hard edged sport version based around the MotoGP bike but was not very clear so that may fall in the rumour category.

 

1000cc VFR...

HELL Yeah!!!
(simple as that)

 

Ducati can produce a 1000cc street bike w/ 200 hp, why'n hell can't Honda put out an affordable one w/ 130hp? inline 4 bike's are a dime a dozen.
What do you think the V in Vfr means? Honda would never do something so stupid.

 

Personally, I don't understand what's in Honda's "mind" at this time. As much as I bleed Honda red, Honda sometimes gets caught up in doing over-technical embodiments, rather than taking a simpler is better approach. I think that they sometimes over-analyze things, and come up with overly technical and sophisticated approaches either because they refuse to take the easy way out, or just to show their technical prowess. Classic examples was their idea that a 16-inch front wheel on the CBR900RR was the way to go, when everyone clearly wanted 17-inch front wheels...and Honda stubbornly stuck with that design for YEARS when their customers were clamoring for a 17-inch front wheel. Same for V-tech on 6th gen VFRs; they did it in response to get the torque at low end that riders were asking for, and decided that V-tech was the way to do it, when they simply could have made the motor bigger. All that V-tech did was make the motor overly-complex, created powerband issues initially ('02 to '-05) for riders cornering their bikes, didn't add any overall power, and notably increased the cost of performing valve adjustments for the customer.

 

Thanks for the heads up......didnt know my 05 had issues regarding cornering.to think i have bin risking my life for the last 2yrs :faint: Vtec transition can be as smooth as you want depending on throttle position. If your going to pin throttle in mid corner you may have a problem. But im willing to bet a 5th gen would suffer from a sudden power surge in mid corner as well with throttle pinned.Its absolute nonsense that VTEC is going to throw your butt off the bike in mid corner thats just a preconceived idea from people that dont own or ride a 6gen.....O'H NO i think i might of turned this thread into VTEC bashing ...........I think im going to puke:tape2:

maybe a newbie rider might have a problem with the sudden change of exhaust note and crap their pants but unlikely

 

I'd buy a VFR1000 if they came out with one, but only if it had VTEC!:bolt:

Come and get it!!!!!

 

Wow dude, with that kind of thinking we wouldn't have airplanes, helicopters or any advanced items. Can you imagine how many CC's you would need to lift off a 747. Oh and I guess rather than use some high end metals they should have just used 5 inch thick walls of steel to hold it all together.

More CC's, thats the pansy way out. Honda put their brains together and thought outside the box and created a way to get low end torque without making it a liter bike. It's that type of thinking that progresses this planet. Don't be scared of change, it won't hurt you..

Nothing is perfect. The VTEC system can always be improved upon and my guess it will.

 

I can't understand why people have such a hard time accepting VTEC or VTEC-like technology in a motorcycle platform. Honda's first motorcycle with VTEC was back in 1983 - 25 years ago! Kawasaki now has a similar system and here is a link to a post that says that it is the future.

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/07february06_cams.htm

So why can't the motorcycle community accept that it is here and that more of it is coming? The automobile community didn't seem to have this problem. It is not like it is a brand new technology or concept. It has been around for quite some time.

 

I think that part of the issues lays in the fact that for some (me) motorcycling is a raw, pure experience. The more gadgets or technology can either remove some of the experience or water it down. I haven't had an opportunity to ride a motorcycle with VTEC. I'm not against it, or for it, as I have nothing to base my opinion on. I like the sound of the gear driven cams on my 4th Gen. If something can be better, then usually I'm all for it. However I am in the A.F. and alot of times they change things just in the name of progress, without researching the pro's or cons of the change before they do it. I also think that us VFR types know EXACTLY what we want and like, and perhaps feel that Honda hasn't been listening to us. I like my VFR so much that I'm willing to spend a bit of $$$ to upgrade it and make it current, as there really isn't a bike out there that can do what my VFR does for me. I doubt I'm the only one that feels this way. In all actuality the only thing that I don't like about the 6th Gen VFR is the looks. Too origami to me, not organic or flowing enough, but that's just personal opinion. The VTEC may be great, but I just can't really get past the looks. However if I were to ride one, and be blown away by the performance, I'm sure I'd see the bike in a different light.

 

I think some forum members may be missing my point...that Honda can get into an overly complex mindset at times when solving problems. This is not a 6th gen bashing thread, or a V-tech bashing thread.

Furthermore, I don't have a hard time accepting V-tech; I have it in my Acura TSX and like it; it works well in that application. I just think it was a unnecessary and over-complicated way of solving a problem. It's simpler and more effective to make a larger motor. And the facts are that it is more complicated and more expensive to service. Moreover, the facts are also that Honda doesn't use it on almost all of their other bikes (except the ST, I believe), and obtains effectively the same results by simpler means. In my experience, a simpler embodiment that achieves exactly the same result is generally preferable to a more complex one, and it is generally more reliable as well.

My point is that Honda will sometimes take a problem and develop an overly sophisticated or complex technical solution embodiment just to show they can; or just to show off their engineering chops. Sometimes they do it, and it's really cool; sometimes they do that and it creates problems they clearly did not think through; like the 16" wheel issues on CBR900RRs. When racers tried to fit a racing tire to that wheel with different circumferential dimensions, it changed significantly the geometry of the bike and racers were literally crashing 5 times a day on race compound tires. Honda didn't think it through, in that case. They also didn't think things through with one of their V-based 500 cc bikes in the mid 80's, when they put the fuel way down low in the chassis. It was a handling disaster, and completely unrideable. They also did the same thing in 1989 in developing completely the wrong chassis for the NSR500 based on Wayne Gardner's input. Eddie Lawson had an extremely hard time making that bike work, and it is a miracle and testament to his development ability that he won the World Championship on it. He is quoted as saying that every time he put the bike into a corner, he didn't know if he would come out of it alive at the exit.

 

No, I would not buy a VFR1000, it would have too much power. I do not have enough self control to own a bike that has effortless acceleration.

I bought a new FZ1 in 2001; after a few engine mods it made 133 SAE rear wheel horsepower. I had a very hard time not red lining it in second and third gear every time I rode it. After a while I stopped enjoying the simple pleasure of riding a motorcycle and spent most of every ride looking out for cops so I could whack the throttle.

After spending $1000 on suspension work; then adding a better seat, soft bags and heated grips that FZ1 was probably the most comfortable and best all-around motorcycle I have ever owned and I don’t miss it a bit. I do however miss the bone stock 99 VFR800 I traded in on the FZ1 though.

 

Love this thread, not that you are worried Puma, I know where you're coming from. Pretty much inline with the simpler the better IMO. even todays cars are way over the top. Don't get me wrong I love nifty tech-no gadgets that have a place, sheesh, I even pilot helicopters and don't care for the knew computer instrument panels and some of the fly by wire controls. even thou in theory they are there to help reduce pilot fatigue and make the job safer & easier. I'm not feeling it. LOL I must be getting old. Gota be be all this tech-no generation thinking we need it. I also believe that Honda did this to see and say they did. they're known for doing this sort of thing. Yes some good comes out of it ,some not so. they are a stubborn bunch. I mean look at the NR way way over the top, cool yes, practical no. It was created just to test the waters and to say see we made one. One company in particular took it and ran with it. gee I wonder who?