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    The other real side that everyone should worry about, whether you believe in COVID or vaccines or what=not, is that unvaccinated people get sick and need to be hospitalized at far greater rates than those who are vaccinated...

    leading hospitals to be short staffed and in many cases (in Canada at least), non-critical surgeries and procedures are postponed or cancelled, patients have to be airlifted to other hospitals due to capacity issues, and staffing burnout/overload

    Thats real real important to me. If i get sick this year, ie not COVID related, and I need to go to the hospital - I damn well want to be able to. Thats why I pay (Canadian) taxes. Most provinces have already experienced what I noted above, where they had to put their hospitals into extreme restriction mode just to keep up with the influx of COVID cases.

    Currently in New Brunswick the hospitals do not allow visitors of any type due to the high caseload. That would be very hard to bear if someone important to you was in critical care, but you were unable to visit or support... what if it was your child or spouse or sibling or parent? How would it feel to have to just leave them alone to die with no option to go see them? I work with a few people who have had that exact experience; deaths not in any way due to COVID but they were unable to visit with their loved ones in hospital due to COVID.

    Not good. This should be important to all of us regardless of believe in vaccine - if you need a doctor or hospital, you should be able to go see one. Period.
     
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    Glad you recovered. I know 3 people that have died and many more that are struggling with after effects. And I know some that it did not bother them much. The Delta does not seem to just kill the elderly of compromised, we have had 5 young people at work that got very ill from it, one is still messed up after over 2 months, he is just 30 and an athlete. I have a lot of friends in the medical community and they are totally burned out, overwhelmed and at wits end with this shit, much less the division, pain and controversy it has caused. For those that shrug it off they are just ignorant of what the world is dealing with. When you look into the eyes of a dying person and know that this was probably avoidable it is very hard on health providers. And then they have to go communicate to the family that can't even say goodby......... it is a real horror show. Daily. And it is having long term effects on the health providers. PTSD for them is a real thing.
     
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    Make that 4. Neighbors wife died today.
     
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    Uncles.....

     
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    The overwhelming consensus in the medical community around the world disagrees with these 2 last posts. Can you find the exception to this? of coarse. We had problems with vaccines for Polio, Rubella, measles and mumps among many others. But OVERWHELMING people world wide greatly benefited from these vaccines. As we have and will for C19 too. Quit politicizing this nonsense. You can always surf the net and find someone who will agree with you. Much harder to actually look in the mirror and be honest.
     
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    Do you see a difference here when with Polio and MMR, the vaccines completely prevented infection and transmission? It’s been shown that with C19 vaccine, infection and transmission is still very possible. And with animal reservoirs like deer, felines, minks, and likely others, the only thing vaccination is doing is reducing bad outcomes for the vaccinated. Doesn’t it seem like we’re trying to compare apples and oranges?
     
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    A few problems here. You said very possible for transmission and infection. It is actually NOT very possible but still possible. Also its not just reducing bad outcomes it is preventing outbreaks too. It's not apples and oranges unless you are talking about total prevention an eradication. It's here to stay. The end game is to have herd immunity and keep it from mutating at such a high rate so that it behaves more like common strains of flu. This crap is a flu on mega steroids that mutates into worse forms. The far left and the far right have politicized so much crap for the last 5 years it's unbelievable. Rational thinking middle America, Republican or Democrat are over the cruelty, lies, manipulations of the extremist that fucking shit up.
     
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    the latest wave of infections is just as high as the winter wave pre-vaccination. Clearly, many people continue to get infected despite the vaccine. And now there is the need for boosters, because people continue to get infected…. There is no herd immunity just like the flu.

    sorry to be the one to break it to you.
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    That is the Delta mutation. To get mutations from occurring less frequently you need to reduce infections. It's a vicious cycle. Total herd immunity is indeed not going to happen but you can still have a form of it like most of the population does with the various strains of the flu. It is the mutations of the flu that really get people sick ad kill by far the most yearly. And your annual flu shot targets the latest mutations, this is a long proven method.
     
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    Fact is you have a much much greater chance of not getting it if vaccinated and an even better chance to not get seriously ill. People are so worried about the vaccine that they lose sight of the virus. And if people are going to worry that much about the vaccine they should first look at the food source , water sources and chemicals that make you ill and or kill you way before any vaccine will.
     
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    Any guesses when we’ll start vaccinating the animal community?
     
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    That’s what “they” said early on but it doesn’t appear the math is baring that out. And if that were so true, then one must wonder why the push for a third booster now….
     
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    The push is for a few reasons, to keep your antibodies at a protective level and to fend off mutations. Do you know a lot of people in the medical, phara or research community?
     
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    “a lot” can depend on the one’s perspective. I do know people in those communities, many are not as freaked out as others.

    It still appears we are focused at on the wrong things and that the one thing people can do to reduce bad outcomes from covid and just about all other causes of death is to live a healthier lifestyle.
     
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    What people REALLY need to understand is that natural immunity is so much stronger and lasts much, much longer than this artificial, man made "vaccine" (which is not really a true vaccine by definition). Let your body do what it is designed to do to fight off things like this and don't interfere with a flawed human planned device! The truth is, every individual on this planet WILL be touched by covid!! Depending on how you take care of yourself will determine wether you survive it or not. When you do survive, you are much stronger to fight it off in the future!!! Unfortunately, it has to run its course.
    There is NO cure, you cannot avoid it, be strong and stay healthy to fight it.
     
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    So where to begin with all of these "truths". Or really opinions. The vaccine will give you a much better chance of having little or no side effects if you contract C19. A lot of people would not survive contracting it and going all natural as you say. I am continuously astounded by misinformation I read.
     
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