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  1. jethro

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    If I answered any of your questions you would ignore it and just ask more, just like the original ivermectin post where you said you didn't mention it, except you described everthing about it except it's name.
     
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    Stop making BS claims that you can offer zero evidence to support.
    Stop talking about things that you have zero knowledge of.
    No one will think any less of you if you don't make up story that are not true.
     
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    Nothing I have said is bs and it appears I have more knowledge than you as you just inundate some one with questions and think you win when they don't answer everything to your satisfaction. If I knew how to link a video the one I was just watching would have blown everyones premise that the vaccine is the only thing that works and Ivermectin doesn't. Check out covid cases vs fully vaccinated Us vs Israel vs India on you tube. We have a higher percentage of the population vaccinated than India, yet India has a much lower new cases rate than the US because they us Ivermectin. Plain and simple facts.
     
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    and yet you went ahead and engaged with him again anyway?? :toiletclaw:
     
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    Try the "Ignore" option for numbnut 0200. It werks quite well.
     
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    I can’t. Have to stay vigilant just in case things cross the line…..
     
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    Just as you ignore the social injustice in our society?

    Just as you ignore the 650k COVID deaths in America?

    Just how exactly does "ignore" help the discussion in the topic of this thread?

    Does the name-calling help anything in discussion?

    Have you actually read the very first post of this thread?

     
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    what I remember from the first thread is folks better figure out how to get along like you would at a real face to face gathering. Toe Cutter has been at numerous VFRWorld gatherings, helped countless people around here, and is a well respected member around here.

    keep fucking around with him and see how this goes for you.
     
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    So name-calling in this thread is helping people get along face-to-face during gatherings?

    I don't need to be around in gathering with people who can't discuss topic of thread so they ignore members and name-call members within the thread.

    This is a public forum, name-calling is wrong, simple as that.

    Is that a threat? you have to threaten a member who is simply asking about name-calling?
     
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    I am well dialed into the medical community and would really like to see legitimate research on these alternatives. I can see a smattering here and there but the overwhelming mountain of research and information says different. The internet has made everyone an expert and it is so easy to manipulate these days its scary. Kind of like an oil or tire thread. lol
     
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    How many dead or horribly disabled people would there be with out mandated vaccines? Mumps, Rubella, Measles, polio.......etc.
    How many more dead would there be without C19 vaccines? And masks work.
     
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    I have a little more info on this topic. The prosecuting attorney in my home county just died from resp comp r/t covid the day before yesterday. He was a vaccine denier and just over 50 years old and overweight. I believe (I have not followed up on this, but it has been suggested by people more involved in the religious community there, that his congregation are all or predominantly deniers. I went to school with the pastor there and his 20something yo daughter was dating this prosecutor so I have seen all the heaven got a new angel business on Facebook)

    I do not know how many personal examples I know at this point, but it's a lot.

    As far as someone mentioning not treating at the hospital, I have spoken first hand with a hospital admin in Oakland who stated point blank that all of the patients ADMITTED for covid and being treated at the hospital are the vaccine refusers. He said in the cases of breakthrough where they are vaccinate teir symptoms have been milder and they have sent them home. He also stated that he didn't know of any deaths of vaccinated people who had come there. (I'm sure there are some vaccinated people who are dying, but his evidence would suggest that it's probably much more likely that you'll die without the vaccine than with.)
     
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    Reg this mirrors what I'm hearing from a friend who runs a Covid unit at a hospital here in Palm beach county. Another friend is the administrator of another hospital, same thing. They are also having trouble keeping nurses, many are just burned out, basically suffering from a form of PTSD. My sister is a shrink at the VA (she hates when I call het that). She is a PTSD expert and thinks the ramifications from this pandemic will last on many fronts other than the illness itself. Until we get people on the same page we will not get a handle on it. It's not about freedom, political ideals or anything else. Look back in time and see how we defeated other nasty bugs. Kind of like seat belts, a lot of us are old enough to remember the uproar it was when it was mandated nationally to wear them. Now we don't even think about it and a lot of carnage and broken lives have been avoided.
     
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    medical grade masks worn properly are effective.

    a dirty sock on a snotty 6yr old for 8hrs appears as effective as political theater and nothing more.
     
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    China !!

    it's run by a bad, evil political party, but if they ever move to take over taiwan, it's not our business to try to prevent it, not worth a war.

    june 26 2021 009.JPG
     
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    You are partially correct. The really good masks that are properly worn are absolutely the best. But anything even a cloth mask will knock down a very large percentage of air born droplets and with a little social distancing the viral load needed to become infected drops tremendously. The medical grade masks help protect the wearer much more but really you wear a mask to protect others not yourself. If you're wearing a mask just to protect you then you had better be wearing a medical grade tightly sealed along with goggles or face shield.
     
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    studies of real world use has shown otherwise with regard to actual effectiveness as opposed to theory. Now you’re gonna make me find the study…
     
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    source:

    starts with masking kids. 9-1/2 minutes in for the latest study on effectiveness of mask types in real world application (as opposed to theory)

     
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    I think that the internet has done a lot of good things, but a lot of bad things, too.
    For instance, it's much easier to suss out the information you want rather "truth".
    In our current circumstance as with many others, I try to go with the majority opinion held by the population most likely to know.
    For example, my doctor has recc the vaccine to me. Every other doctor I know has taken and recc the vaccine. Therefore, I believe they prob are following this closer than I am and I have built up trust with them over a course of years.

    When I take my car to the mechanic, I usually go with what the mechanic says, especially if I've already gotten another opinion and it was the same. I don't keep searching around until i find a mechanic that tells me what I want to hear.

    I guess that is why this outrage is so confusing to me. Again, I have worked in healthcare >25 years and I have had mandated vaccines that entire time.
    I was in the military and I had mandated vaccines.
    I went to public schools and had mandated vaccines.

    I have never had measles, mumps, rubella, or rubeola and credit a big part of that to the vaccine mandates in schools. Now, I can't say that's why for sure, but the evidence suggests it has a high probability.

    I have another question and I wonder where you guys will land on this: If hospitals were allowed to refuse service (they cannot by law) would it be reasonable for them to turn away someone who not only refused the vaccination, but willfully spread vaccine misinformation?

    Again, this cannot occur now, but based on my experience I am curious on whether vaccine refusers would support that.

    My suspicion is that all vaccine deniers nearly would choose to go to the hospital if they have a symptomatic infection rather than stay at home to die for their 'freedom' from taking a vaccine or wearing a mask in crowded places. I also know from several conversations with actual medical professionals that the frustration they are feeling is from the way vaccine deniers are treating them and the added acuity (burden) of so many patients on restrictive isolation. The gloving and gowning that goes on for med professionals treating these people is quite a bit more than standard precautions.

    Oh, fun fact, covid deaths just passed the 1918 flu pandemic. Winning!

    Anyway, I know none of us are changing anyone's mind on this so just think of this as me saying WTF.
     
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