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  1. 34468 Randy

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    The statistic often quote to me, or those I have seen in print have always surprised me. From my experience, and I don't mean from what chit chat with other people, in over 25 years of service, clearly 1/3 of which was Traffic Enforcement and Accident Investigation I have been to or investigated three collisions involving a motorcycle. One of those was me vs a rock. One was a fatal single vehicle incident and the other was reported to me after the fact when the rider reported it to me at the front counter. He picked up his bike on the freeway and rode to make the report. I have seen first hand, up close, my share of death. But my experience was that motorcycle riding is not nearly as dangerous as many make it out to be.

    I am not saying the statistics are inflated. Not at all. I just haven't seen that. And I am thankful.
     
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    Anyone can have an opinion; even the homeless dude on the street who's been off his meds for months.
    Whether opinion is valid or invalid depends on the difference sources of evidence that you can offer to support your opinion.

    For COVID related topics, I trust those who have gone through 4 to 6 years of medical school, 3-4 years of residency and have actual medical practice among the population for decent amount of time with current medical licenses. Not TV/radio show hosts, not internet influencers, not political figures, not celebrities and especially not random folks on YouTube.
     
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    was trying to make a joke. Should have used an emoji or the sarcasm font.

    I share your theory on the treatment and the vaccine hesitant. I would think the novavax version of vaccine should encourage more people who are concerned about long term effects of mRNA technology.
     
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    Put this in your pipe and smoke it

     
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    I thought this was a politics thread. All I see is covid crap.
     
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    Is there anything more political than covid right now?
     
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    That's about all that politicians talk about because someone else does the thinking for them. They sure as hell won't find anything meaningful to speak about on their own that's for sure.
     
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    In Austin TX the city will now send social workers, not police, to non urgent events... like burglary after the act has been committed...

    Thats gotta feel safe. You've been robbed, then a random person with a notepad shows up to 'help'. Very deterring for thieves as well I'm sure.

    I think cops / military / law enforcement of all types deserve our utmost respect. They keep us safe from the bad ones. They are the ones we call when we can't help ourselves.

    Its a shame how much politics seem to be interfering here... it can't be good in the long run to try and undermine them and turn public support against the ones who keep us safe. Not sure why thats hard for some people to see? If someone does something illegal to/against me, I expect a system in place to make a correction for that.
     
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    The lies and pure bullshit coming oot of Jen Psaki's mouf every day is more political in my opinion.
     
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    Uh yeah, you either get a shot/s, or you don't. Politics have no place in it. Politicians are no smarter. and usually less, than the average person. So how does their stance on covid affect anything? You pick your numbers to believe and there ya go. You can find the statistics and people to support any side of the issue of vaccination or no vaccination.
     
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    What do you think of a bureaucrat , chief medical officer (not a politician), basically forcing, in way of not allowing work, everyone in this state into a medical procedure
    Oh yeah, come to Victoria Australia and tell Dan the Dictator that. Your body your choice, not if you want to work it isn't.
     
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    I have read a bit about the Australian and New Zealand action and it honestly scares me to death. Did they really think it was going to keep it out of the country indefinitely? Scary, very scary to have your civil liberties trampled on so heavily. "Do what we tell you. We are from the government and are here to help you because you're too ignorant to help yourself". Oh, and that's not limited to Australia and New Zealand.
     
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    For me now it is not about the jab but about the totalitarian state we are becoming.
    You see, so far this mandated Vax, for ALL workers, is being ordered under "public health orders" in a rolling "state of emergency" ( look up how long a state of Emergency should be imposed for) but in about 3 weeks when this Victorian State becomes 80% x2 dosed the public health orders will be dropped but the mandatory Vax will remain so as to mandate the ongoing booster shots.
    I believe that the dictator is trying to legislate this mandatory medical procedure into law along with the Vax passport that will soon be going into trials in regional Victoria. And once they have their foot in the door like this....
     
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    The use of the word "passport" is a mistake. It should simply be called Proof of Vaccination. Its sole purpose is to show whether or not you have been vaccinated. So where regulations are put into place, whether you agree with them or not, that requires you to be vaccinated to participate, the Proof of Vaccination is the document you produce to say you have had the vaccine.

    When you want to drive a car or bike or any vehicle in most countries, you have to pass a test to prove you have the necessary abilities to be a safe driver and therefore to a degree, protecting the motoring public as well as others. How do we know if you have passed that criteria? The government issues a proof of proficiency to drive a motor vehicle. That proof of proficiency is called a driver's License. And we pay for that. If you haven't passed that test, and you don't have that driver's license, then you are not supposed to drive. If you are caught driving without a license, then you pay a penalty.

    So I don't see where or why people are so upset about this Proof of Vaccination or passport as it is called many places, being mandated. We already comply with that procedure. A driver's License is just one example of that. There are others. Hunting licenses, firearms licenses in many places and licenses to practice many occupations like doctors and nurses. Hell, here, if you want to be employed in food services or serving alcohol, you need to take a Food Safe course or a Serving it Right course. You get a certificate of Completion for those too, which you would use as proof when applying for certain jobs.

    If you don't want to drive a car, you may not decide to get a driver's license. If you choose not to, then there are restrictions. Don't drive. If you don't want to get vaccinated, then don't. But there are consequences to that. Stay away from venues that require vaccinations. Or wear prescribed attire that protects others around you. If you have been vaccinated, produce the document that proves it.
     
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    So you don't see this "passport" expanding in the future. Expansion into what is included in the "passport", expansion of where you must produce it, expansion of restrictions.

    This is a must produce "passport" of mandated medical procedure to WORK, WORK to provide for yourself, not to enter a bar or sporting event.
     
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    Like I said. We should not be calling it a passport. It has nothing to do with a passport. At least on this side of the world. A passport is probably the most stringent piece of official identification out there. To call this proof of vaccination a passport understandably will make think people think is is part and parcel to an actual passport. It is not. Will the proof of vaccination(POV) be required for international travel. I suspect so for the near future. Until this COVID stuff is brought under control world wide, we are left with restrictions. Science, which our whole life is based on, is telling the world we should be doing this or that to gain control.

    The vast majority of people will ask questions of their health care givers for just about any other health threat and most will take their doctors advice. Health care is based on science is it not? I agree often a second opinion is sought and maybe a decision to proceed in a different direction is taken. But generally speaking, we trust our doctors, who give advice based on medical science.

    You ask me, If I see this "passport" ( I will refer to it as a POV) expanding in the future. I honestly don't. I don't see it becoming part of our passports, but a secondary document. I also see it becoming a thing of the past if he get hold of this covid and kick is ass all the way into near extinction. You mention that production of this document is required. Here, it always has been that if you are checked driving a vehicle on a highway, you are required to have and produce your driver's license on demand to a police officer. I understand down in the USA that maybe not the case. And I have no idea what the law is over your way so I can't speak on that. But the driver's license as I explained before, is a way to prove that you have passed the test to satisfy those who police, that you do have the right to drive a vehicle on the road. I really don't feel that producing my DL to be an infringement on my freedoms. I do not see the production of a POV to be an infringement on my freedoms to enter into an establishment that our health authority are saying is a covid threat based on science. Our POV here in British Columbia had two pieces of information on it. Your name, and that you have had one or two vaccinations. It has nothing else. It doesn't even have our photo, date of birth or address on it.
     
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    My folks had the Rona and have no desire to get the vaccine now. Immunity passports would be better.

    or like the video I linked, other countries like Norway and Singapore declared the emergency over lifting all restrictions and no “passports” or mandates.
     
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    The research I have seen would suggest that you are correct in thinking that their immunities are likely as good as a vaccinated person. I would be ok with immunity proof or something. Anything to suggest a compromise and let us move on to something more like normal. I think that this will just be another vaccine added to the list of mandatory vaccines I have to get anyway so I'm not too concerned.

    I also get the sense when people use the phrasing "forced medical procedure" as a synonym for vaccination, they are using that phrasing intentionally and really not to be clear about what it is, but rather where their stance is.

    I agree with Randy about the naming of vaccine passport not being accurate, and the requirement of proof of other things in our collective society's already being mandatory. Hell, the vaccination card is certainly less restrictive than they are making the voting laws in some of our states here.
     
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    You iPhone or android phone know more about you and your life than you can possibly imagine

    What on earth is the issue with a vaccine passport or proof

    The same lame excuse for not getting jabbed,

    The powers know far more about you than you realise


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    well I guess that makes it all ok then
     
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