The definitive Gen 5 Vs Gen 6 weight Thread

:biggrin: Sorry about yet another Thread spin off but thought a discussion between the Gen 5 and 6 Wet weights is worthwhile and " mello dude " and myself have been sparring on this subject across various threads for a year now, where MD believes the Gen 6's weight puts it in the FJR " sports Tourer " class of motorcycle and I believe it still in the same " Sports tourer " class as the Gen 5.

By utilising the Sports Rider figures, Honda Dry quoted weights and Honda workshop manual have concluded the actual weight of a Gen 5 is actually 509lbs and a non ABS Gen 6 is 521lbs.

Ideally it would be great if a VFRWorlder that has access to a car scale and both Gens could settle this one way or another with pictures....please...:smile:

As quote from the " Linked Brakes " thread.

as Thread starter have used the privilege to pick up the Gauntlet and run with the figures.


Have studied the Sport Rider Data from the link quoted and have come to the conclusion they made a mistake in underquoting the Gen 5's published Wet weight in the first instance and quoted the '02 Gen 6 with ABS but without hard bags.

Basically I started with Hondas quoted dry weights and added fluids as quoted from each of the work shop manuals multiplied by their approximately calculated specific weights.

Concluded the '98 Gen 5 should have quoted as Wet 509lbs and the '02 Gen 6 Without ABS should have been 520.8lbs



Sport Rider weights as quoted
VFR800FI ('98) 6/98, Wet 499lbs
VFR800 ('02) 4/02 Wet 534lbs ( ABS ver shown tested in the '02 Review )



Gen 5 Liquids as per manual
21 litres Gas = 15.54kg
3.2 L Cooling = 3.2Kg
3.8 L Oil = 3.5 Kg
0.7 Hyd Fluid = 0.675kg

Hondas Dry = 208kg
Fluids = 22.915kg



Gen 5 Wet Total = 230.915kg = 509.2 lbs



Gen 6 Liquids as per manual
22 litres Gas = 16.28kg
3.8 L Cooling = 3.8 Kg
3.8 L Oil = 3.5 Kg
0.7 Hyd Fluid = 0.675kg

Hondas Dry = 212kg
Fluids = 24.255kg


Gen 6 Wet Total Without ABS= 236.255kg = 520.8 lbs

+ ABS = add 6kg or 13.2lbs


Gen 6 Wet Total With ABS = 242.25kg = 533.2 lbs

( which incidently is the Wet weight as quoted by Sports Rider '02 review which shows the ABS Ver )


Alternate review quoting '99 Fi Wet weight as 235kg = 518lbs
http://www.mcnews.com.au/Testing/HondaVFR800.htm

 

sPoRtS ToUreR and I am sticking to it. haha

Wow. I didnt know it was that heavy. thats like 170 lbs more than a ZX6R. Dear lord.

 

One thing to take into account though is the gen 5 rider's ego. Since they are riding the best of the best bike in the world the ego tends to add weight compared to the ordinary people who saw a 6th gen and went "oooh pretty colors" and bought it.

Oh and this post should not be taken seriously.

 

^ good one, ya gota love this place

Thou FWIW take your bike to the garbage dump weigh scales, here it's free, then go home and weigh yourself and ha ha subtract the diff. Yes don't forget the pictures, especially the ones weighing yourself. just a thought here, take Vman for example, He looks to be 5'8" 145lbs on a 6th, compare to say someone 6'3" 245 on a 5th I'm not so over the top on weight as the rider throws a whole different curve to the mix. Good thread keep up the good work. I'll keep the 4th gens out of this one :wink:

 

Reasearch FTW

Well Mello Dude I followed your link to the Sport Rider specs you posted in the linked brake thread. Thanks for the link. It's great to see lots of data regarding our bikes. May i say if you don't know what to say in reference to the weights and still insist on the numbers being read after being run onto a real live scale what about the Horse Power and Torque figures for the VFR 800 Intercepter (05) as being HP 54.4@ 8,750 and Torque 99.3 @ 10,750. Is this a huge power drop as a result of the Gen 6 VTEC technology or misinformation. Perhaps a misprint. Maybe a mistake. Where do they get these numbers? There also must be something wrong with my Gen 6 since I get better mileage than all of the numbers shown in this report. We all have opinions and I respect yours and you are absolutley entitled to them but there are facts which just aren't laughable and some that are. IMO. I hope all taken with a bit of the built in VFR site humour.

 

There's 41 lbs difference between dry and wet weights for a 5th gen, and only 26 lbs for a 6th gen, according to their figures.
Do the 6th gens have a special lightweight brake fluid fitted?
It can't be the (slightly) bigger tank, 'cos that's about 4lbs.
That doesn't fill me with confidence.

 

Will start by correcting the Sparring comment, it should have been nearly 2 years now. :smile:


Should have thanked you for the link MD, there is lots of good data on that page that is consistant just pointing out they made a mistake on the Gen 5 Data, should have been obvious when they quoted the Gen 5 Wet at 499 and the '00 RC51 only 10lbs less.

Also see below link on what US site mcnews quote as the Gen 5's wet weight at 517lbs which is only 1lbs off what the Oz site weighed wet.
http://www.mcnews.com/mcnews/articles/TestBike-Index1-2001.pdf



Regarding the Gen 6 handling feeling less Sporty but assume you know and may not have considered it on the Gen 6 test ride, it may just come down to how the suspension was set and how far the forks were dropped through the triple clamps on year Gen 5 Vs Gen 6 test unit.

Was playing around on my Gen 5 early last year and found it turned in amazingly fast through tight twisties at 14mm but with quick turning Pilot Power's was a little nervous at High speeds on open back road sweepers, backed it off to 6mm and found it turned in a little slower but high speed stability was much better.

With my new R2's have found they naturally turn in slower than the Powers through the twisties so will drop the triple clamps to 11mm and see how the R2's go in open sweepers. :biggrin:

 

I weigh 160 pounds with my gear on. If you guys weigh 200+ pounds, does that make me sportier?

 

I don't care about weight now because my '06 had no trouble staying with the 600-750 crowd during a recent local outing. Of the 30-40 bikes I was with at one time on the road, I had the only VFR and the only bike with a V-type engine to boot, everyone else had inline 4s. So there... :smile:

 

The 6th gen VFR is a heffer! I took it to GMR canyons yesterday and good lords, its too tight of a course for a 540lb bike with soft suspension. I was working up a sweat trying to funnel my way through that maze. My 750 definitely feels right at home in those types of canyons, the weight makes a tremendous difference in handling.

 

By 750 I presume you mean your Gixer, not quite a fair comparison calk and cheese really but admit it would be nice to have a full on sports bike as well as my VFR for close by twisties and the odd track day.

 

why do you have a vfr? you sound like you would be happier if you sold it and got another gixxer....

 

I bought it in hopes of using it for riding far away touring more comfortably with luggage but at the same time sporty and not look like some old fart on a Goldwing.. It helps to have a fuel range greater then 100miles too. Get another gixxer? Why would buy another of the same bike? My 750 has the best of everything the gixxer line has to offer in one package, 600 class weight and size, but in between power of a 600 and 1000. The VFR is comfy but there are a few things that do bother me, 1) I feel as though my legs are spread apart like a porn star riding this thing. 2) i need pegs that sit about 2-3" higher then stock, the stock pegs are soo low, they feel like im standing on the bike (im not sure if its something you got to get used to or i just really like to have pegs like the super sports. 3) despite having higher handle bars i find the riding position not much difference then my 750 after a 4-5hr ride, and i think its because the long fuel tank the reach is farther away making my arms and back stretch farther. #4) its freaking heavy! Complaint #1, #4 i cant do shit about, #2 and #3 can be fixed with aftermarket parts. Once i modify this a little bit more we'll see if its to my liking.

 

Yes my Gixxer 750....i now have good enough reasons and purpose for this little monster. From the pics of track goers and knee draggers on VFR's i thought it was going to be a little swifter on its feet...it is on sweeper turns but the tight stuff no way.

 

As much as I like my 5th Gen & think it's better than any 6th Gen I've ever ridden, all that matters is whether you AND ONLY YOU like the bike you ride.

You ride a 62 Royal Enfield? You think it's the bomb? That's all that matters.

KC-10 FE out...
lane: :usa2:

 

A co-worker/friend of mine had a 6th gen, I have a 5th. At our workplace are various calibrate scales used for every thing from grams up to railcars. We could easily have rolled them up one afternoon and seen for ourselves. Thing is it never crossed either of our mnds, we were just happy to have bikes and never though twice about it. Now he has sold the 6th gen and bought and Aprilia, no telling what it weighs, and we may never know the difference.

Heeeheeeheee

As stated, if youre happy with your bike, FTW.

But if you two have to go at it ( in a friendly way of course) over weight, may I suggest one of you puts some money on it to make it interesting?

 

Just out of curiosity I took my 5th gen to the weigh scales on the highway. It registered 529lbs including my shad box rack (not includung box) and full of gas.