5th gen clutch

Discussion in '5th Generation 1998-2001' started by Rio800, Sep 29, 2019.

  1. Rio800

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    Just getting used to my newly acquired 98, which has 29k miles and is pretty much mint.
    I'm feeling the clutch to be a bit heavy so I've ordered the bits to refurb the master slave etc and change the fluid. It's not a problem just a refinement I was after.
    Then I read this synopsis of the 2000 MY changes...
    http://www.simonevans.co.uk/v-four/vfr800.htm

    It mentions a lighter more progressive clutch. Does anyone know what the changes were specifically and whether I could upgrade my 98?
    Cheers...
     
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    I doubt there is much noticeable difference in the clutch I've had a 01 and a 99 now,I notice no difference but others may know more,



    (it seems that Honda did their usual trick of quietly improving their already excellent bikes, instead of making radical changes which can easily ruin a bike's character.)
    when they went to the 6th gen vtec the made rubbish of the last line in this paragraph in my opinion.
     
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    Inner hub/ steel plate thickness, and qty of frictions/ steels changed in 2000. springs also.
    Springs would be your only change noticed at lever.

    You could always install a larger slave cylinder to help with leverage.
     
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    Thanks for the responses guys, I'm going to refurb the master and slave plus new fluid so at least she'll be as nature intended whenbim done
     
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    I found the clutch on my (new to me in June this year) 98 FiW heavy too. So much so that on the long ride home after buying it I got really bad tendonitis in my elbow. Kind of put me off it a bit it was so bad. However I cleaned up the slave cylinder and there was some jellied gunk from where some fluid had leaked. The bike had been in storage a long time. I also borrowed a force gauge from work to measure the force required to pull the clutch compared to my other bikes and it was in the same ball park (45-50N). Not sure if anything I have done has changed anything yet as I have not done another long journey on it. I did put a pair of cheap Chinese adjustable levers on it which does make it feel better. If it still gives me issues I will a) sell it or b) fit a quickshifter.
     
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    Did you clean up the rod also? Probably would not help.

    A more modern clutch material and lighter springs should lighten the clutch. Maybe we can test the stock 00-01 springs to see if they are lighter.
    My 2000 clutch is not heavy, at least that I have noticed.
     
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    I did pull the rod out and it was spotless. It was also very dry which I expect is normal but I lubed it up with engine oil anyway
    The combination of new levers, greasing the lever pivots and removing the jellied clutch fluid from the slave might have made it more tolerable. We will see.
    I actually really like the idea of a quickshifter as well, but AFAIK they only do upshifts?
     
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    The stiffness is due to the effort needed to actuate the clutch I'm assuming. That would suggest the friction material, plates, oil properties would only affect the action of the clutch not actuating it?
    So any component that imparts resistance in their movement could be improved or fixed to reduce effort. I assume this would include pistons, springs, joints. I would guess also that poor fluid would require more effort to get the desired pressure and old rubber pipes with some give. After that you'd have to improve the spec overbthe original like a bigger slave as suggested.
    I'm no mechanic so thats why I was wondering what improvements honda made when they mentioned it in their press release about the 2000 model
     
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    The biggest resistance to the lever action will be the clutch springs. If you don't mind the clutch slipping at high speeds you could put a few washers under the springs to ease the force required to pull the lever. I think dirt bike riders do that. I wont be doing it.
     
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    There's a pretty good chance that a prior owner of your '98 VFR put in stiffer clutch springs when he replaced the clutch plates, it's a very common thing and doing this results in a stiffer clutch lever.

    It's hard to tell if your bike has OEM or aftermarket springs installed in the clutch just by looking at the springs. You could experiment by installing a "known" set of OEM Honda clutch springs to see if it improves the feel.
     
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    In my case that is extremely unlikely. The bike only had 1,700 miles on it when I bought in June. Anyway having physio on the elbow now so hopefully I can manage it.
     
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    "If you don't mind the clutch slipping at high speeds you could put a few washers under the springs to ease the force required to pull the lever"
    This sounds backwards to me. Preloading the springs would make them stiffer and the clutch harder to pull apart (de-clutch).
     
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    Yeah you're probably right I've seen vids of people changing their clutches proudly pointing out how stiff their new springs are and their old ones are softer so need changing. But they dont.
     
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    Poor choice of words on my part. Spacers under the fasteners to reduce the compression of the springs.

     
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    Ah I'm with you! Respects
     
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    Reducing clutch spring preload sounds like a great thing to try. If it slips you can go with a grabbier compound or source a complete 2000-2001 clutch.
     
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