alarm system and HISS

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  1. ellewasal

    ellewasal New Member

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    Similar to others, my Honda VFR VEC 2008 will not start. I have bought new battery, checked connections, kill swith, fuses. I replaced battery in alarm fob. I also used master alam fob, with new battery. I am not getting the light up when I press the fob button.The alarm system is delta electronics Italy. I cannot tell whether issue is HISS or alarm. Battery voltege is stable, not draining after numerous start attempts. I am deaf so cannot hear whether fuel pump is kicking in. I suspect alarm system because it is not lighting up the LED, but I have applied a voltage and the LED works
     
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    As soon as you stated the words "electronics Italy" I instantly thought it has to be the alarm

    Hope you can get it sorted quickly
     
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    Protec alarm immobiser

    Thanks. Subsequently found instructions for this device Protec Honda factory fitted. The reset process consists of turning ignition on and then off at specific intervals so that the number of led flashes corresponds to the security code. Since the part of the device that makes the led flash is not working I cannot reset it. Need to call Honda
     
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    Hi Ellewasal and welcome to the MadHouse:welcome:

    When you get time please visit the "introductions forum and say Hi to the rest of the folks on here - and don 't forget to include a photo of your VFR, (click "insert image" icon and follow the prompts to select and upload an image from your computer) or it won't be long before folks start raggin on you.

    You might also want to update your forum profile (Forum Actions+Edit Profile) to include the year and specs of your bike and an approximate location (city/county is fine) that way the information will appear automatically beside all your posts and if you need help with a problem you may find someone living nearby is willing to swing by and advise - especially if you have a well stocked beer fridge:drink:.

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    As for the alarm system I have not come across a "Protect Honda alarm system" before and wonder if this is actually another HISS upgrade system - designed to upgrade the HISS system to a higher Thatcham security level? Are you perhaps referring to the official Honda Averto alarm system? - which is also made in Italy and in Europe was offered as a HISS system upgrade option on many Honda models.

    In practice the basic HISS system fitted to many European VFR models has proved extremely effective and reliable. Thus far I have not encountered reports of a single instance of problems being traced to the HISS system EXCEPT when a second RFID key (from a car etc) with a different coding is in close proximity - as it may be detected first or blocking the real key signal.

    Inherently the basic HISS system comprises an ECU which is matched to coded keys detected by a detect ring around the key barrel which prevent the bike from starting without a matched key being detected in the lock. This alone makes HISS equipped bikes relatively un-attractive to steal simply because the bike cannot be hot-wired to run without the correct key, and the cost of replacing both keys and ECU is truly prohibitive.

    The Averto alarm system simply added to the HISS the convenience of a motion detection alarm system with Key fob remote disarming (but only whilst the batteries were good). If you do have an Averto system fitted as an add-on there are however some known issues - especially if you have lost the user manual and no longer have a correctly coded key fob. Hopefully the following links might allow you to ascertain whether its an Averto system or something different. If it is an Averto system most dealers should be able to sort out what is wrong with the unit as it was quite common. If the alarm system is actually faulty then you might be better off getting the dealer to entirely remove the alarm - assuming it is not specified by your insurers.


    PDF of Averto installation manual...

    http://s1354.photobucket.com/user/muffking69/slideshow/Honda Averto manual/?albumview=slideshow


    Parts diagram of Averto alarm..

    http://www.bike-parts-honda.com/pieces-honda-detail-30107-13MGJA01--2010-08E5501-CBF+1000+F+ABS.html


    Forum discussions regarding the Averto alarm ... where you might get additional help.

    http://www.cmsnl.com/products/averto-alarm-kit_08e55mfj800a/forum/


    Good luck sorting the bike - let us know how you get on.



    SkiMad
     
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    Thanks SkiMad. I have reviewed the information you helpfully supplied. The alarm to which you refer is similar to mine but my part number 08E55-MCT-800C is from Delta Electronics Italy and has a different suffix to the 801A, which is apparently better known. My part is covered by a Honda owner’s booklet and is definitely called Protec by Honda.
    I believe that the alarm has a fault. I think that was caused by a careless recovery mechanic a year ago, when the bike suddenly came to a halt. He tried a variety of dubious methods to overcome a repeatedly blown main fuse. The alarm LED has not worked since then.
    I subsequently fixed the problem by disconnecting and reconnecting the tilt sensor. All was well apart from the LED until a recent battery problem.
    The Protec manual supplied by Honda describes how to reset the alarm to recognise the key fob, but this is dependent on turning the ignition on and off in time with the flashing of the LED to enter a 6 digit owner’s code. I have tested the LED and its wiring, which are working. Therefore the alarm is not sending correctly to the LED.
    I think you are right that this can now only be sorted by the dealer. My problem is that this will take weeks before they can get to it.
    The bike is one of the things that saves my sanity, so I am for the time being bereft

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    I successfully removed the alarm immobiliser. I have described my experience as attached VFR800VTEC alarm immobiliser_Page_1.jpg VFR800VTEC alarm immobiliser_Page_2.jpg

    Overall, it was not so bad as I first thought. I could have saved a lot of time by deciding on removal as the best option and not spending so much time on fruitless attempts to restore function, investigate or bridge the alarm connection block. The actual labour is achievable within a half day. However, I allowed for several days and got myself set up nicely, which is why it actually went quickly and well.

    A shop would charge about £200 for this, plus recovery vehicle and I would have had to wait for about 3 weeks
     
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    Thanks for the update.:thumb:

    I am glad you managed to get it sorted.

    Personally I am no fan for basic alarm security systems as they create so many false alarms that they are totally ignored most times, meaning they really only cause inconvenience to the owner and will not dissuade any determined thief.

    Your bike will be far more secure if you now spend the money you saved on a quality (Almax) chain and lock and making sure it is attached to something which cannot be shifted like a lamp post.

    Now go out and enjoy that bike before winter arrives.



    SkiMad
     
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