Ballistic Performance Components - EV02 Batteries

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  1. invisible cities

    invisible cities New Member

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    Has anyone ordered up on one of these? I am thinking about purchasing a 4 cell for my 500.

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    Dimensions: 60MM(L) x 60MM(W) x 103MM(H).
    Positive Terminal Location: Left.
    Weight: 400 grams (.885 lb.).
    Voltage (Charged): 13.6V.
    Amperage: 8 Pbeq/Ah.
    Cold Cranking Amps: 135 CCA.
    Operating Environment: -18?C (0?F) to 60?C (140?F).
    Typical Applications: 550cc and under multi-cylinder motorcycles, scooters, and ATV's.

    Ballistic Performance Components
     
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    If you don't get any feedback here try Thumpertalk or Adventure Rider, offroaders use the lightweight batts more.
     
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    I'm currently using a Ballistic 8 cell EVO2 in my RC51 and I've got another one on order that I'll be using in my VFR800.
    The Ballistic battery is positively tiny in comparison to the stock Yuasa YTZ12S and it's just a fraction of the weight as well but it fires up that ol' diesel every time.
    In fact the battery is so small IC that I've got a piece of velcro stuck on the back of the battery case and another piece stuck on the bottom of the battery tray to keep the battery from moving around while I'm riding.
    I'm also using an 8 cell 1.4lb Lithium Ion battery sourced from forum member Jamie Daugherty's buddy Dan Gregg in my Ducati 900SS.

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    Here are the stats on the Ballistic 8 cell EVO2 battery.

    8 Cell EVO 2

    Dimensions: 112MM (L) x 60MM (W) x 103MM (H)
    Positive Terminal Location: Left
    Weight: 825 grams (1.81 lb)
    Voltage (Charged): 13.6V
    Amperage: 15 Pbeq A/H
    Cold Cranking Amps: 275 CCA
    Operating Environment: -18°C (0°F) to 60°C (140°F)
    Typical Applications: 1000cc and under multi-cylinder motorcycles and 450cc singles.
    8 Cell EVO2


    And here are the stats on the stock Yuasa YTZ12S battery that's used in the VFR800 and RC51.

    Specifications
    Battery Family Factory Activated, Maintenance Free
    Battery Type YTZ12S
    Voltage 12
    Capacity (AH) 11
    Dimensions (in) 6 x 3 7/16 x 4 3/8
    Weight (lbs) 8.1
    Metric Dimensions (mm) 150 x 87 x 110
    Polarity +||||-
    CCA 210
     
  4. invisible cities

    invisible cities New Member

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    Thanks Stosh.

    The stock Yuasa YuMicron battery for the VF500F is much larger and heavier (at 6.8lbs) as well.

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    I was thinking to make a holder for the Ballistic EVO2 battery but I like your Velcro idea as well.
     
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    That's what im currently running right now is a battery built by dan gregg absolutely amazing great quality and it is ones with 240cca and mines weights under a 1.5lbs for the money it was a awesome deal.
     
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    Most sites state 165A CCA and 12AH for the YUASA, so the 135A and 8AH of the 4 cell is just not enough.
    Replacement of the YB12A-A is the 8 cell 100-011 so I would stick with the YUASA.
     
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    I'm not sure you would be happy with the 4-cell pack. I've found the early VF's to need a bit more amps to start than a new 600. To be on the safe side I would opt for an 8-cell pack.
     
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    Thanks for the posts above.

    I checked in with Ballistic and they confirmed that while they show a 4-cell on their website an 8-cell is a better fit.

    On a side note, they note that their products are assembled in the USA, so I had to ask, and confirmed that the cells are made in China.

    They wrote saying that the EPA won't 'allow you to make batteries in America anymore'.

    I assume this is a somewhat facetious comment and has more due to price points than anything but does anyone know of a company that manufactures these types of batteries in the States?
     
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    There are still some battery cells made in the US, but VERY few. For all intents and purposes all batter cells are now made in China. And yes, it's an EPA thing.

    Dan just got another shipment of cells in, so if you are interested in a Lithium battery let me know! He's going to be building up quite a few so they should be available for immediate shipment.
     
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    Interesting about the EPA. I had thought there was a big push to invest in American technology for Li batteries. Guess this hasn't happened yet?

    If I could ask, is Dan's price still $85 w/ shipping and would you be able to post a photo?

    I'm sure there are a bunch of owners here that would be interested in purchasing one. Thanks for your help coordinating this JD.
     
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    $85? is that 4 or 8 cell?

    this is what I've been messing around with:
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    The bussbar isn't right for "12V", but that's an easy change.
     
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    Could you go into a bit more detail on this design? Thanks!
     
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    4 10Ah batteries. In the picture they're just shown with a bussbar on all the positive, and a bussbar across all the negative as a 3.2V 40Ah battery. This is a mockup of a small version of my large pack of 144 of these cells. We milled the plastic out of UHMW (Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene). The bussbars I intend to use are going to be copper. The 10Ah should be ok, but for more cranking power, I'd suggest 8Ah batteries. They crank more amps. There are some 16Ah batteries as well, which I'd chose over the 10's because their weight is only slightly more.

    It was more of a proof of concept for my motorcycle. My battery pack for my bike will be ~115V and 40Ah, basically 36 of these wired in series.

    More here:
    http://blog.evfr.net/?p=389
     
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    I browsed your project a bit.
    If you are suggesting using "Headway 38120S 10ah" then they also falling a bit short in delivering good CCA as they are ranked 100A continuable discharge.
    Headway 38120S 8ah is ranked 160A which is probably ok for cranking if your bike has no starting problems. Otherwise you will run out of power sooner than a standard 12AH lead acid battery
     
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    Dan's been busy like the rest of us, but he just finished posting a page to my site:

    http://www.daughertymotorsports.com/Battery.html

    Enjoy!
     
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    Here are some photos:

    4 Cell Pack
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    8 Cell Pack
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    I don't need a new battery (yet); but I wonder... Has anyone here done any 'long-term' testing of these batteries? I do like the idea of using a lithium battery (vs. a lead-acid type), and the weight savings is significant. Not sure I care to do alot of messing about to secure a different form-factor in the battery box; but I might be convinced to do it if they are truly a well developed and reliable replacement.

    Anyone?
     
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    If leads are AWG10 they will probably getting warm when starting big engines.
     
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    I've had one of these batteries in my bikes for over three years now. The cells they are made from are actually more durable than lead-acid batteries. It's early 1900's technology versus 2000's technology, really.


    Not at all! 10ga wire can easily handle the current draw. The peak current happens only for a couple of milliseconds so there isn't enough time to generate heat in the wire. Dan and I have captured the actual starting current and hope to include that on that on the site as well. I think you would be surprised at what the scope captured!
     
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    Thanks for the post JD.

    If I could ask, do you have a photo of one of these installed?
     
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