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What is the name of this more accurate "system" ? Like you say, anybody can make up shit, dealer and stealer sites abound. You might be surprised that that there are a few sales folks here too that know thier way around the system too.

If you have something that is better, Bring it. Otherwise it's just another sales pitch that ain't on paper.

 

Joe,
just here in BC from what i know. Might be in any prov that doesn't employ privatize insurance but I do not know because it does not concern me. From what I understand, the Ontario system is modeled after a US system and completely unlike our system here in BC. It's always a topic of debate because safe drivers here do not get the discounts they do in other prove but new/young/questionable drivers don't pay the insanely high rates of other provinces. Has its pros and cons for different demographics.

Badbilly,
Here in BC we have a sole government run insurance entity that governs everything from licencing, infractions/fines and insurance. It's called ICBC or the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia, please feel free to google it.
Carfax up here is incomplete and typically is full of holes for vehicles that have lived their entire lives in BC. We all use ICBC's history check which includes carfax along with every other major history report all incorporated into one unified report. Smart sellers do have this ready on hand. That does not suggest that anyone without it is a poor seller either.

I'm a licenced automotive tech, licenced government vehicle inspector and licenced aircare tech(our version of CARB) and teach women on how to be a smart car owner including how to navigate our system to ensure they do not get f*cked over when buying a new/used car. I'm buying the bike privately, having it inspected through a 3rd party and performing my own history check through the system we use. There are few people that go to the lengths I do when purchasing a vehicle up here and none that do more. Unless they can get the seller to submit personal tax history records for inspection and allow a background check and cavity search! :lol:

No offense but seeing how you don't live here nor know the system in place or the depth of its functions, it's questionable logic to think you know something I don't about the system I am working within. When it comes to buying things in the USA, by all means would i differ to the pros in that arena. :thumbup:

All of that said, it really has nothing to do with the purchase of this bike, the tactics I employ to get a good price or the that some dealers/mechanics make stuff up for the up-sell. I know enough people in my corner of the world to be able to get and give accurate info on what the bike does or does not need. Barring gross error or oversight, I'm completely confident in the manner in which I use to purchase vehicles!

But thank you for your concern! :thumbup:

 

Badbilly,
Here in BC we have a sole government run insurance entity that governs everything from licencing, infractions/fines and insurance. It's called ICBC or the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia, please feel free to google it.

>>>> As a self professed bureaucrat in a socialist environment, I realize you need to protect your turf. It's fine, but comparing ICBC that is provincial, with "Car Proof", I'd plunk my Loonies down with the private dudes for car skinny. A question that might arise is, if you know so much about bikes why are you trusting a dealer to determine the worth and needs of same? You may unknowingly advised one of your women clients that the dealer is a little shady got outed and might be in for a little shake and bake.


Carfax up here is incomplete and typically is full of holes for vehicles that have lived their entire lives in BC. We all use ICBC's history check which includes carfax along with every other major history report all incorporated into one unified report. Smart sellers do have this ready on hand. That does not suggest that anyone without it is a poor seller either.

>>>> Bad logic dude and a smidgen of razzle-dazzle for good measure? This ploy might have worked had I not Googled both vehicle informational sources. My conclusion from reading the ICBC sample report is that it ain't all that good and again the "Car Proof" comes out on top. Glad to hear also that ICBC uses CarFax too. This would indicate to most that it ain't as bad as you are attempting to portray it. Also of interest, CarFax is by acclaim one of the best companies in the US to work for.


I'm a licenced automotive tech, licenced government vehicle inspector and licenced aircare tech(our version of CARB) and teach women on how to be a smart car owner including how to navigate our system to ensure they do not get f*cked over when buying a new/used car. I'm buying the bike privately, having it inspected through a 3rd party and performing my own history check through the system we use. There are few people that go to the lengths I do when purchasing a vehicle up here and none that do more. Unless they can get the seller to submit personal tax history records for inspection and allow a background check and cavity search!

>>>>LOL.. they sure tie you dudes up in those licences. Background checks are a good idea IMO. I am not so hot on the body cavity thing. Is there a unisex test for that before you get a license?



No offense but seeing how you don't live here nor know the system in place or the depth of its functions, it's questionable logic to think you know something I don't about the system I am working within. When it comes to buying things in the USA, by all means would i differ to the pros in that arena. :thumbup:

>>>> Surely you could not think I am offended because I don't live in BC. I would be offended by the level of beaureaucracy that exists save your health care system, the MacKenzies and a frosty LaBatts.

Your differ is noted but I ain't ready to defer just yet.



All of that said, it really has nothing to do with the purchase of this bike, the tactics I employ to get a good price or the that some dealers/mechanics make stuff up for the up-sell. I know enough people in my corner of the world to be able to get and give accurate info on what the bike does or does not need. Barring gross error or oversight, I'm completely confident in the manner in which I use to purchase vehicles!


>>>> So you don't use the tools at your disposal for this bike purchase and instead rely on some dealer and a bunch of furriner capitalists on the internet?




But thank you for your concern! :thumbup

>>>> No need for thanks, but could you post the data from one of the three informational sources at your disposal on the bike? The BS by the dealer I have heard before, and ain't even new..

 

Dealer = Stealer ...imho, that aside I like to get my used bikes with one previous owner. Almost like marrying a virgin, dont want someones finger-fucked garbage ; )

On dah flip side, getting a woman who has been around a bit is not so bad either, does not translate into the used bike formula but makes for some laughs and giggles aboot dah analogy...

 

Dealers are honest and will be the first to say so. Especially Harley dealers.

I'm thinkin TC may be better off than we realize..

 

You just typed that cause i sed, "finger fucked!" :smile:

 

Except that the Harley dealers use live chickens..

 

:crazy::doh:

that's fine, you can do whatever you like.
i'm actually not trusting a "dealer" i'm trusting an associate working within the dealer. i did not know i needed to tell you every little detail about the process i am going through. i have seen all manners of shady business over the years when it comes to selling cars, i know what to watch out for and how to work the system to my advantage. i also have said nothing to my knowledge of bikes at any point in this thread. as it stands, any 3rd party inspection, be it a private shop or a dealer will provide you with the basic PPI information needed for purchase. compression, leakdown, condition of the electrics, brakes and basic systems along with anything else they might find is what needs to be known. aside from a complete tear down and rebuild of the bike prior to purchase, this is the extent if what a PPI entails. many people do not even do this at all. i'm sure a man with your levels of internet usage would agree to this.

I imagine you getting bent over the barrel at one point in your life by a dealer which would probably explain your utter hate and contempt for them as a basic entity/blight upon the world. to be honest, i could care less what your experiences with dealers in your corner of the world were like. like many things in this world, your experiences =/= everyone else's.

Actually, it's not of interest at all.
i could honestly care less if it's the best or the worst company to work for. that has zero bearing on anything other than those people who do work there. most importantly, i don't live in the US!
Again, i did not know i needed to inform you of every detail of the process but i am speaking of the CarProof option through ICBC.
i'm not saying carfax is bad, the shits or junk in any way. i'm saying that it is typically NOT COMPLETE for vehicles that have lived their entire life in BC. as such, it is not the best history check, wait for it.......

HERE IN BC!?!!

it's just different levels of training for specific things you guys probably call them "certifications."

oh, i am not defending the bureaucracy in the system here, again, it is what it is. it's also part of the reason carfax isn't the end-all-be-all of the history check game up here.

no, i use the tools at my disposal quite well.
are you suggesting:

your grand wisdom > everyone else

carfax is not the end all be all where i live because a lot of what happens here in BC never gets reported to it.


do you work for Carfax or something? i have never seen someone defend a product with such dedication unless they work for the company or just dangle on the nuts real hard! I'm quite sure Carfax is not a "non-profit" or benevolent society and is deeply routed in the almighty dollar thinking inline with the rest of them there evil Corporations headed by those same evil capitalists!

:lol:
i wasn't actually thanking you!

 

El grande sombrero y no vacas.

 

*Yawn*...You guys can stop your geographically/demographically/bureaucratically contrasted peeing contest anytime soon... lol

On another note, I just got my appraisal back and am happy to see that it came in at $ 5,700 for insurance purposes...yay me if it ever gets stolen or burns into a black-blob! Heaven forbid...

 

Sorry! Translation.."Big hat, no cows."

 

Yeah, or the Ebonic version:

"Yo, brutha! Holy sheeit, man, you gots uh big lid but you gots nahh bovine counterparts! An dats jus' like Orenthawl James!".

 

:lol: if that's directed at me...

 

  




Klingon:

be'HomDu'na'wIjtIq'a'Du'na'vaD ghureghqangqa'moHlaHqu'be'taH'a' Somraw'a'meyna'wIj'e'.






English:

Is it not that my many, large, scattered muscles are quite capable of swelling for the benefit of the hearts of many scattered little women?.

Which has zip to do with bikes but sounds really cool.

 

lol, I'm not smart enough to know what the intent of the Spanish meaning is so thought I'd Ebonify it for poops & giggles...it made even less sense to me (as I'm the antithesis of a Mexican farmer), but was a nice little diversion!

 

The original was "Big hat, no cattle". Probably from Texas somewhere giving them something to do after Alaska was made a state. I think that almost anywhere one could go, one would find a similar saying. In Alaska it might be something like. Big Igloo, no blubber." Or in the case of my worthy opponent, A shitload of hats and no bike.

More a continuance than a diversion since Smee so gracefully conceded.

 

I conceded nothing, hillbilly.
You took this thread off on some wild tangent otherwise irrelevant to its direction.
Ultimately, anything you say from this point is moot because nothing you have said has been close to factual or even close to sound advice for me beyond what I'm already doing.

If you love carfax sooooooo much, good for you. Still doesn't change anything nor does your opinion on dealers.


Bike is a formality at this point as it either checks out or it doesn't and I keep looking.
Not sure what this wild hair up your ass is all about but the simple facts are, you don't live here; you aren't buying a bike here; you don't know or understand the system here; and most importantly, what you have said to this point isn't valid here! You might as well be arguing traffic laws with someone who rides in India.

I'm all for accepting advice but it seems you want to assert your thoughts and opinions on something that is a matter of personal preference/connections (dealers) and locations/validity (carfax).
I don't know how many ways you need to hear it before it sinks in, carfax is not as complete as the ICBC history check! Mmmmmkay?!

Thanks for coming out.
If you have info about the bike and things to look out for, I'm all ears! If you are going to continue to prattle on about carfax and dealers, don't bother... I will just ignore it like it wasn't posted! :thumbup:

Cheers

 

Even though you conceded, your opinion of yourself is still your right. I will support that even though it looks like I have stuck a nerve or a hole in your system.

Keep us posted on your new bike if it passes muster.

 

:lol: where did I concede you were right?

 

Hellooooo, did nobody see that my appraisal came in @ $5,700?!!
('85 VF1000R 24,800 on the odo...really nice but still...).

(totally jacked, yeah, but way more important than anything else in this thread).