no helmets for michigan. what do you think?

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  1. badvfr

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    ya.... Massachusetts... you have no way of telling what is paid for by what... its becoming a socialist state. companies required to pay into the health care plan weather they have the money or not. that "surcharge" is jsut another way of romney bringing in money. you still have to have a private health care plan which pays your bills out of hte money you spent. thus we are still in the same boat, xyz dummy gets in a crash without a helmet. his insurance pays for it. unlike what romney will tell you, insurance premiums do not go up, as is my experience and as is stated by others.

    its a crock and romney and obama can go hump each other.


    sorry bout that. socilist/communist people get on my nervs.
     
  2. tinkerinWstuff

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    Amen. I not for the govt place in the constitution to tell people what level of risk is acceptable to the individual. It's a slippery slope that will eventually bite you in the ass somewhere. I shoul be free to ridicule someone until they cry for not wearing one but ultimately it should be the individuals choice to be retarded.
     
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    Except the argument that eye protection and helmets are te same is bullshit. Someone should be free to make stupid choices that affect themselves. Bouncing your head off the pavement isn't the same as a bug in the eye that causes a crash an kills other people.
     
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    In the UFRR, every citizen wears whatever I tell them to and when I tell them. There are now laws that dictate when and why I force my citizens to do what I do.

    For the sake of badvfr. Don't narrow your belief that costs involved are strictly for health care. While this is probably a very high percentage of the cost, the moment an accident becomes a fatality, police investigation takes a severe dive into time and money. They are now assisting the coroner to determine exactly how this person died. The simple fact that his head ended up looking like a cheese ball smothered in ketchup, isn't enough

    The police will (or should) consider all aspects of not only the accident itself, but all the factors that led up to the accident. This could be where the driver was before, what he did, who he saw. Is he suicidal and the possibilities just go on and on. What other factors could have been a contributing factor to the accident? All this has to be investigated. Then there are the reports to different agencies, government or private. Each one of those is usually individually prepared because they agency is asking a different question. Not to mention the letteres to just about every lawyer in a 50 mile radius who wants to sue the hell out of everyone including the Dept of Highways, the state, city and county and of course the police for not bieng there specifically at that time to prevent the accident from happening in the first place.

    It goes on. At each of these agencies, there are people who, now get this of all things, are paid to receive reports and ask more questions which generate more reports. It is a snow ball effect. Just where it stops is like trying to find a black line on black paper.

    Wear the fucking helmet regardless of what the law is. Someone cares. Shit, I care. The less public money spent on stupid assed people who refuse to wear, the more money I just may be able to get in the fomr of pension to do guess what. Buy motorcycle stuff like leathers, gloves, boots and God save me, a new helmet once in a while.
     
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    what if you get a bird on your head with the same effect?
     
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    You bring up some pretty good points. my response would be that these people are doing the work on the clock they are usually on. but keep in mind i dont know the policy on when cops are able to use overtime for their paperwork. so it could go either way depending on unknown variables. how many accidents. other incidents needing police attention.

    oh and i do wear my helmet anytime i go more than 1or 2 blocks over in my own neighborhood.
     
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    I'm a rebel at heart and prefer that poeple who are adults be treated as adults until their actions show that they are either too stupid or uncaring to be given that privilege. Once someone chronically shows the inability to say, drive without being drunk, their license should be revoked and any further incidents should result in major jail time. Any injuries or deaths attributable to them should be seen as assault or murder charges and prosecuted as such. I believe that we should own up to our choices and actions. If someone believes that they are such a great rider and that there is no way that they could ever be so unlucky as to ever have an accident and choose to not wear a helmet, well that is their right to choose and is OK with me. But if they amazingly are ever involved in an accident their head injuries should not be covered. They chose to put themselves out there like that, in full knowledge of the risks, and should own up to the consequences.
     
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    I wonder if nocalboy wears a helmet when he is thinking about Long and in Asian-Anal mode
     
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    What if a cage driver pulls out in front of me. What if space junk falls from the sky.

    What if birdseed came back to VFRW?
     
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    What if...we all....ahh....ummm... fkt ATime to go away on this one. I delcare no winner, just survivors.
     
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    But it IS the same, because a rock flung up by another vehicle could hit you in the head, causing you to lose control and crash into someone else.
     
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    Cite an example where it's happened.

    People always want to force their ideals on others. If someone doesn't agree with how you see the world, then just force them into submission by passing a law....
     
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    Really, 170mph is your example? If the gull hit him in the head at 170 the helmet would keep him from
    crashing and taking out a bus load of nuns with young orphans? That's your test case on why the dipshit Harley guy riding 55 from water hole to water hole should be forced to see the world your way?

    I'm still waiting for the example where someone was hit and went down. All those examples on the forum and the only one that went down hit something with the front wheel. One guy ripped his face from mouth to ear and no mention of crash.

    I'm sure if you keep looking hard enough, there's probably an example to be found somewhere but it's a statistical anomoly and hardly worth forcing your will on others through legislation. If you must argue safety then there's a far better argument for banning cycles altogether.

    Apples, oranges, and straw men in motorcycle helmets. (Aunt Sally for those who haven't been free from the British as long us the rest of us)

    BURN!!! Or something
     
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    Did you recently take a job in congress? Nothing like attacking a person's point of view as "fucking retarded" and "dumbest possible arguement" to find common ground and concensus.
     
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    Most of this anti-helmet shit comes from ABATE and a PI lawyer who started all this in the 60's and got rich doing it. His name? Richard Lester.. Lots of poop on this on the WWW if one cares to look it up.
     
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    Although I agree the gull example is not the best, I have to ask Tink: Are you going to provide an example of the slippery slope actually happening or just argue it as fact without evidence?

    I had previously brought up that 50% of the time riders get taken out in intersections, the other 40% are turns. These stats haven't changed since the famous 1980 Hurt report.

    So please break out the Slippery Slope report and educate us.

    BZ
     
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    Who pays? Well, the taxpayers of NH who else, because you know that all the massies ride, or even more likely trailer (lol) their bikes up to NH so they can ride without a lid. Wicked cool. :potstir: :tea:
     
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    Could not the slippery slope fallicy be an integral of any "accident" ? In an accident two components are prime not including cause and effect but more before and after.

    We should also recognize that at the time of the Hurt report, no helmet laws were in effect in CA, the greatest concentration of registered motorcycles not including racebikes was in the LA basin and many of the "accidents" were booze related and there were a whole bunch of dudes riding around in raked out spool wheel choppers. Social Darwinism ruled then and it still does..
     
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    it hurts like hell. I've caught one in the chest, and another in the forehead. Both small birds (sparrows). Had an uncle that had a red-tailed hawk buried in his helmet. I stayed up, even if I did take one of them to the forehead, the other to the chest. Then got a face full of feathers. And had to dig him out of the gap between the dash & the windscreen.
     
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