Politics, politics, politics.....

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    That's the basic premise of politics and religion. Believe it or not.
     
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    You were the one who has problem with the word "summary".
    If you've got nothing to argue, why not just condemn these rioters in the Capitol?

    All I'm saying was that Facebook & Twitter are not reliable sources for information.
    You had to bring up Parler, that's just lame.

    Actually, it shows that you have no evidence to support your claim.
    Just BSing about ANTIFA without providing any sources to support your own claims.

    When it comes to systematic racism, genocide of Native Americans, our education system, justice system or economic system, those are not my opinion, just plain facts & reality. Learn the difference.
     
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    I do condemn the acts on the Capitol. Unlike your idols, do you condemn the leftist violence that happened all summer long?


    parler was cited as the source for the timeline. They are also being accused of being the place where violence was organized and the company has been the target of leftist attacks on speech.

    It shows I’m not willing to be your little bitch in your straw man game.

    here’s where we get to the main difference between us. I’m proud of what this country is and where it came from. I feel no shame. I’m not proud of everything in our history. But when you look at the body of work, we’ve come a tremendous way. Even with our mistakes, this country is a beacon for freedom around the world.

    I’m willing to work with rational people to continue moving in a positive direction continuing to build on the positives. You sir are far from rational. I choose to judge history and historical figures in the context of their day and the whole body of their work.

    With all the love I say, I hope you come to your senses, otherwise humanity will continue to tear itself apart.
     
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    If you click on numbnut 0200 and then click ignore, this thread is much better.
     
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    Who do you think are my idols? What do they have to do with our discussion?
    What "leftist violence" do you refer?
    I don't know of any "leftist violence that happened all summer",
    please provide specific dates/times/locations & reliable sources (that are not Parler, not Facebook, not Twitter) that reported these incidents.

    Can you provide any evidence?
    What companies were attacked?
    "Attacks on speech"? do you mean censorship?

    You are "not willing to be your little bitch in your straw man game" simply because you can not provide any evidence.
    Calling names doesn't help you win any argument, just make you poor at discussion.
    You make claims that you can not offer evidence to support, that's just the same as lying.

    I believed in this country when I served my tour in Bosnia & 2 tours in Iraq. I was young and didn't know better.
    America has been at war for most if not ALL if its history, you ignore history when you say: this country is a beacon for freedom around the world.
    Slavery never ended in this country, the rich are just exploiting the working poor legally, like slavery was legal once.
    Ignoring racist history of this country and current racist & wealth disparity reality in our society is just that: ignorant..
    It's not something to be proud of... it is not rational being ignorant.
    Calling me: "far from rational" doesn't make our country any better; I'm not making plans with weapons to protest in the Capitol and trying to kidnap or kill elected officials; Do you think ANTIFA did that, too?

    https://www.wusa9.com/article/featu...d-him/65-5405dfde-6c19-4c99-9160-e8a3d4173987
     
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    Watch Dr Peterson’s lecture and see if you have anything intelligent to respond.

    thanks for your service. I was in the desert near the end of the 1st gulf war.
     
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    Peterson’s link on white privilege and the dangers of your thinking was posted above on this page.

    Antifa violence: https://apple.news/ALn-VZa4DQPypgyLNjPMMnQ

    Police station burned: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/29/minneapolis-police-protest-george-floyd-288361

    federal building attacks: https://www.wsj.com/articles/rioters-attack-more-than-a-courthouse-11596061930

    police ambushed by BLM: https://fox11online.com/on-fox-11/gallery/pofficers-shot-at-protest-in-dallas-reports


    Your claim of moral superiority is weak. What do you say in response to Dr. Peterson’s lecture?
     
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    No need to thank me for my service, I volunteered and as I said before I was too young to know better.
    At least I still have all my digits & limbs, unlike many whom I served with; that's why I put my time in helping the homeless at my local shelter every week.

    My intelligent response:
    I think Dr. Perterson has lived a privileged life, well insulated from the reality of our society.
    I wonder if Dr. Peterson ever volunteered any of his time in a homeless shelter and talked to a homeless vet in his life.
    I wonder if Dr. Peterson has ever had to refuse a higher paying job simply because it would disqualify him for food stamps or medicaid if he made more money and wouldn't be able to feed his children or pay for his life saving medications.


    I never claimed moral superiority, your inability to provide evidence to support your claim is not my moral superiority, know the difference.

    Each of those separate incidents are under investigation of White Supremacists posed as ANTIFA members to incite riots & violence during protests.
    From what had occurred on 06 JAN 2021 & many more Proud Boys gatherings; those fit the profile of White Supremacist & Trump supporters that are armed to incite violence & riots during peaceful protest.

    The "Radical left" want to have healthcare for everyone, fair living wage for every full-time worker, fair taxation & wealth distribution;

    but the idea that billionaires can pay more in taxes, just be a little less rich,

    not poor, not struggling, just a little less rich,

    is considered insane, Marxisct, socialist or communist.

     
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    As an “intelligent” response to a two and a half hour lecture, a lifetime of study on human interaction as far back as biblical times is to wonder about the man’s job offers?
     
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    That is correct, doesn't take much intelligence to determine the fraud in Dr. Peterson.
    Maybe Dr. Perterson should interact with modern, current society more instead of studying human interactions from biblical times.

    Do you think Dr. Peterson has ever volunteered any of his time in a homeless shelter and talked to a homeless vet in his life?

    Do you think Dr. Peterson has ever had to refuse a higher paying job simply because it would disqualify him for food stamps or medicaid if he made more money and wouldn't be able to feed his children or pay for his life saving medications?
     
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    Could you elaborate on what makes him a fraud?

    what do his job offers and volunteer record have to do with his expertise in a field of study? A rocket engineer who hasn’t piloted a rocket is less of an engineer? A physicist who hasn’t gone to space is not qualified to speak of conditions in space?

    If you have a specific bone to pick with some portion of the lecture, let’s hear it. Instead of the typical leftist straw man after straw man.
     
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    Someone who's out-of-touch, who's never witness nor experience the reality of homelessness in our society; that's the fraud.

    If someone lived a privileged life that have never seen, talk or even tried to understand the how most people become homeless;
    do you honestly think that same person is a good fit to determine or explain social policies in our current society?

    You don't have to pilot a rocket to understand the physics of rockets.
    You don't have to been in space to understand the physics, but you do need to know about physics.
    Homelessness is not piloting a rocket,
    homelessness is not going to space,
    homelessness is the product of our government policies,
    policies & laws that prey on poor people,
    police who enforce these laws that prey on black & brown people,
    Judges that convict & lock up poor, black & brown people disproportionately when compared to white folks with same crimes,
    Justice System that prey on poor, black & brown people,
    Laws & policies are just like "physics" in our society.
    Without understanding of the "physics" in our society,
    you can pretend that Marxism is what poor people want; but the reality, true justice is missing in our society.
    Racial justice,
    Economical justice,
    Social justice.

    If you know or understand how our government policies & laws are disenfranchising the poor, black & brown people; similarly you're privileged, out-of-touch with reality in our society.

    Surely, if Dr. Peterson is "a lifetime of study on human interaction as far back as biblical times", he would understand:
    If Jesus is alive today, he would want everyone to have healthcare provided.
    If Jesus is alive today, he would want everyone who work to have a living wage.
    If Jesus is alive today, he would want our government to help poor people in need.

    Does that make Jesus a Marxist? or does Jesus want justice?

    Calling me "leftist straw man" doesn't change what Jesus would want for people in need.
    Calling me names doesn't change what the Bible tells you to do with peoples' need for justice.
     
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    Here is the problem with your leftist argument. You claim that, no one who hasn't lived (insert identity politics label here(gay, homeless, black, etc)), can never have understanding or empathy for said identity label. If we can't ever understand or have empathy for said identity label, then we (Dr Peterson, myself, any conservative), can never have a compassionate heart and want good outcomes for people in need. If we can't believe that the person on the other side of the debate may want good things for people too, then we can never get to working solutions, for the benefit of society, that a majority can agree on.

    Jesus compelled people to give of their own heart and free will. The scripture would teach that failing to follow Jesus leads to hell. Jesus does not say to take from one group and give to another. His cause was to teach people why giving, compassion, and forgiveness is the right path.

    What are you doing to unite people of differing views to your cause thru love and compassion? It seems like your only tool is anger and condescending memes.
     
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    You avoided to answer any of the questions I asked.. and assumed things that I did not write in my posts.
     
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    There's no point in answering your questions, as I said just previously. Because you are not capable of having a good faith discussion that comes from any other place than "Tink is evil".

    For anyone else who's interested, I found this podcast from over the weekend to be an amazing outsider perspective into American conservatives and leftists. I'm about half way through and hope to finish before the day is over.
     
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    You just beg to be called name when you can’t tell a Canadian and a Britt from a Russian.

    It was doctor prescribed anti-depressants benzodiazepines that nearly killed him, not tranquilizers.

    So what was your specific issue with their critique of the conservative narrative?
     
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    You guys are having interesting debates.

    Saw a comic this morning. "Trickle down economics don't work, no matter how you label them. Let's give the tax breaks to the middle class and see if it trickles up. We can call it Up Yours!". lol
     
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