Thanks zombie. The Shoei came with a chin curtain already and I am sure it makes a difference, but not enough. I was thinking along the lines of a curtain that went all the way around your neck. Front back and sides, and possibly tucked in under your jacket. Maybe they are also available to purchase already made too. Also I am glad to see I am not the only one who absolutely detests wearing glasses. About the only time I even wear sun glasses is when riding a bicycle, to protect from shit from the road, or if it is near noon and slightly overcast with wet roads. The sun's reflections off the road, especially driving south bound is just a bitch. I just can't drive. North bound I suspect if I were in the southern hemisphere. Not everyone can wear bifocal contacts. I had to wear toric contacts which could not be made bifocal. What my provider tried was to put one contact in one eye for up close and one for distance. He said it may or may not work or it may just take time to get used to it. My eyes adapted to in instantly. I was amazed at that. BUT! When I did the eye test for my commercial driver's licence, I failed when you had to cover an eye and watch for those signs they flashed up. Some of them, all I saw was the yellow background. So I had to have the corrective lenses restriction remain on my licence and I was supposed to wear glasses. FUGM I say. But now I had that restriction removed since I had prescription insert lenses put in my eyes. I am in heaven now.