When is it going to stop???

Sir, in my statement there is a comma that perhaps you missed "no concept of a 2nd Amendment, God given, right" it separates "2nd Amendment" and "God given" This is the tricky part of our Constitution which many fail to understand. The 2nd Amendment is not a "right", it is a statement of law which protects our God given and human rights. It specifically stops our government from enfringing on our rights as free men.

I just did above, but if there is something else more specific you would like please ask. You also can do your own research as there are thousands of explanations available in the public domain for those who wish to study it.

Again, spend some time researching and you will soon realize you are wrong again. Just because the problem doesn't fit the time frame for which you seek, you would rather impose what you think is a quick fix on the wrong people, which by the way has been tried and failed, because there is no quick fix to this problem. Please consider the problem isn't the problem, the solution is the problem.

Perhaps it is because you are so far way or perhaps because you have been blinded to the facts, but pointing your figure at me, when you don't know me, have no idea what I do or am involved in and tell me "go back to the drawing board and ask how can we solve this problem?" Because I do not agree with you, you assume I am not smart enough to work on a problem. I hope the glass in your class castle is both stone and knife proof.

Although GreginDenver has made a good reply, I will follow that up. My God given right, protected by the 2nd Amendment provides me with the ability to have semi-automatic rifles for hunting, self defense, pleasure, sport, to protect my country and to protect me from the government if necessary. I need not explain to you or anyone else if I prefer a semi-auto to a pump, a bolt, a lever, or a single shot. It has nothing to do with what I need, rather what as a free man I have a right to. And that is my genuine answer.

If you felt threatened while here on holiday over this incident, my suggestion is to never again expose yourself. There are bad people in the world, yes even in the UK, I'm sure you will agree. But, because you provide no reference, only the headlines, and I have no personal knowledge of this event I have no answer for you nor do I understand where you are coming from. I do know, there are almost always extenuating circumstances involved with these headline attacks that very seldom do we hear of unless we spend the time to investigate them ourselves and get deeper into the incident. Most likely this shooting didn't happen over a parking place in a "near empty" lot, rather that was the information at the time of the shooting provided by the infamous news. On the other hand it could be just that. I have dealt with gang bangers that would shoot, club, stab or otherwise fatally attack you for even less, yes, just for looking at them in the wrong way!! And, that I'm pretty sure could and has happened in just about every country.

What I cannot get over is why it is so important for those in a foreign country, to post remarks about another country, when that other country could care less about them. I mean I care about other people regardless of where they live from a people perspective point, but have no interest or valid reason I should nib into their country affairs. As long as that country doesn't infringe on my rights, how they treat their people is up to them, I keep my nose out of it.

Now US citizens have a right whether they are big, little, male, female, black, white, brown, yellow, gray, pale what have you, to voice their opinions and it has nothing to do with my agreement or not. Like it or not, we are all brothers/sisters and will fight it out among ourselves, as is our way of life, our political system, and will be our solution or problem. I'm not saying you do not have a right to post whatever you like on this forum, that is not up for debate, as you do. I just don't see why it is so important to you. The flip side of course is I have the option to not participate, I don't even have to read this stuff. Maybe that would be better for all. Probably not!

 

Hi Greg,

I think you may have missed one more exception, I'm sure it was just an oversight. It is legal for some civilian citizens to possess full auto weapons which are already in the NIC system and those persons pass the required background checks and pay the appropriate tax to receive and possess a legal full auto registered weapon. It is tightly restricted and expensive, but there a some, which the total would probably not even equate to 1% of the firearms in the US. These are only full auto weapons that were in existence when the gun control act was passed, and as these weapons wear out, they cannot be replaced, nor can any new full auto weapons be added to this small group availible to civilians.

 

Plus, "full auto" "full automatic" and "fully automatic" are not descriptions of a type/class of firearm. They may be printed on the weapon as a description/indication of a selectable setting for that weapon.

 

The right to self defense, against people, animals, government, etc is a right granted by God, to every creature and man.

While yes, I could explain our rights, it would be a lengthy write up, however, they can be found online, for free, with an explanation.

There is proof that each and every psychotropic drugs, the like of which are taken by millions every day, all have homicidal ideations and actions as side effects. That's a good place to start. Additionally, if all of this energy and millions of dollars was used to find out the real why, not to bitch about inanimate objects and trying to strip rights, we'd be a lot father along, because we would be looking at and attacking the correct target.

Regarding the hunting comment, I'm afraid you've got incorrect information. The Second Amendment has ZERO to do with hunting. Also, automatic weapons are 99% military only. In order to legally possess a full auto weapon, it is very expensive and very difficult. No, no one uses an automatic weapon for hunting and speaking from my experience of hunting in Montana for eleven years, a semi automatic rifle can be the difference between eating or not, or actually stopping a predator from attacking you. Predators aren't all in the wild. While, yes, hunting is most humane if it's one shot, one kill, as quickly as possible. Sometimes, the shot placement isn't optimal and it's best to finish the animal off quickly, so it doesn't run off and die slowly.

All that being said, our 2nd Amendment, is about self defense of your person and your family, from criminals, riots and governments that turn tyrannical. Our Founding Fathers new all to well the oppression of non Republic style of rule. That's the reason they left and the reason for the Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, our war against England to establish our sovereignty.

History is rife with examples of oppressive regimes disarming it's citizens, then slaughtering them by the millions. Our nation's founders had the prescience to know this would happen. As in the past, so too can it be in the future. They knew this and wanted to establish our country in a manner based upon law protecting the individual from others. They wanted to ensure all of our rights are individually protected and the only way to ensure that is with the 2A.

We are at the point in our world, that we need to stop punishing the people who are good, and start working as diligently as possible to find the answer to the why behind criminal actions. There's a contrast screaming out loud right now, which is to find the why. By contrast I mean that everyone sees what they don't want, but they are not actually looking at what the real problem really is. As I said earlier, without finding out what that why is, you will never, ever fully handle the actual problem. Like putting out a fire with a squirt gun. It will make a tiny impact, but never stop the problem. Attacking the good people of our nation's will never result in a cessation of these types of events.

The men in my family, going back to my great grandfather, myself included, have all served in our Armed Forces. Some in peace, some in war. All with the desire to uphold the basis of individual freedom our country was founded on. I definitely will do whatever I can to ensure it stays that way.

 

I don't wear pants anymore. A bit chilly at times though...

 

Nope I know feck all about guns. Asked a question, got it wrong.

The kids that got shot in the school, what kind of weapon was that?

Now can put that type of gun in my question and answer it ?

 

When it comes to collecting guns, Mel "Dragon Man" Bernstein is my hero!
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dragon+man+guns

 

I bet it is a bit chilly!;-) I personally am sitting on the shitter with the laptop when I get an alert on this thread. All this shit help me concentrate on what I need no do! That being dropping a load, looking at all the shit banter and then looking at what I left myself in the bowl (come on, don't judge me,we all do it!) then moving on to something else.

 

Pics, or it didn't happen.

 

You should be ashamed of yourself for that position. This would be far worse than child porn. VFRW would be shut down in a heart beat if someone was to post pix of Bubba Utah posting a picture of himself hanging a rat.

 

....hanging a rat....

 

Here's how to kill this thread, click at your own risk:

https://www.google.com/search?q=poo...qLaAhUM2lMKHegSDSEQ_AUICigB&biw=1154&bih=1515

hahaha

where's that barfy smiley?

 

If it is curls Dr Oz says you are good!

 

Nope. Not clicking!

 

Jeez Bubba, that is not how I imagined you would look.

 

This is a "go nowhere" thread. This is also a mostly American forum. Like someone else said, quit slamming America if you don't live here. Don't come here then criticize because we just aren't interested in your snarky, sarcastic, critical remarks. Look at you own situations and history first then try to justify any criticism of another country.

Related, is that interest in VFR's is waning and a symptom is threads that are off topic like this one. 13-15 years ago, this and the other VFR forum were very very active and fun. Staying on topic on the other forum is a requirement to be there, thus, there is almost no activity there. It's an American owned forum that is also invaded by critical foreigners that want to believe they know everything and are in some appointed position to criticize anyone with a different viewpoint of culture. When it was a fun forum, it was populated by mostly Americans or non-hostile people from other countries. If you don't like or agree with Americans then just go away. If you're going to criticize our laws then at least get educated on what an automatic gun is. Better yet, just go away. Over and out.

 

Although I clicked on 'Like' for James previous post, it did have a certain sting to it. I'm a relative new member here and have enjoyed participating in the specific forum sections which are dedicated to the VFR. Along with that I have mostly enjoyed all other members and their opinions, suggestions, and experiences. I think when it comes to motorcycle and riding talk, there are no borders and other than a few slang words used I wouldn't really know what country a fellow member hails from, nor would I care.

If I were to be a member of a forum that was primarily in the UK, Canada, Australia, or any other part of the world, I would be minding my manners even in a section of 'Off Topic' or 'Anything Goes'. I just don't feel like I'm in a position to tell others how to live their lives or run their countries. I would however be excited about contributing on riding and motorcycle topics.

So for me, I enjoy hearing opinions from those members not in the US about riding, safety, motorcycles, touring, racing and other subjects pertaining to VFR's and other brands. There is a wealth of knowledge and experience which should not be restricted by a large body of water or land and I welcome access to that information.

There are many Americans who have opinions about guns in this country, which are not much different from those expressed from some member from a foreign country, but the big difference is, they are Americans and have every right to express their opinion, even when they are wrong in my opinion. But like anyone else, if they keep it civil, if they educate themselves, if they listen to facts and logic, just maybe those issues we disagree on and appear to some to be a problem could be solved, or at least find some common ground.

Like I said at the beginning, I think James post had a certain sting to it, but I did like it and agree in the theme. On the other hand, when I joined this forum I owned an 06' VFR 800A, which is a great bike and I liked it. Since it has been sold and I now ride a bike that for me is even better. So, not being a VFR owner anymore, maybe I don't belong here. Still I enjoy reading and discussing riding and VFR's.

 

James Bond - don't assume you speak for Americans. I don't agree with much of anything you say.