Who Hates Harley Davidson?

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  1. Zapp

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    I have two brothers that recently got rid of their Honda VTX's and moved to HD baggers of some sort. My older brother in particular used to ride on weekends with his buddies but now that he has his HD he is in a much larger social group and seemingly out of nowhere has an infinite supply of HD t-shirts. I think a lot of the HD culture is silly but there is no denying it is a tight social group and you probably meet some really cool people along with a few dopes now and then.

    For my part I've never loved or hated HD's or most cruisers, they were just there and never really got my attention but then I've always liked the weird or less common kind of things, my first bike was a 250cc Honda scooter. The most mainstream bike I've owned was a 2012 Kawasaki Ninja 650.

    I have taken a few HD's on test rides at various rallies at they definitely have their charm and character but the one that had me seriously considering being an owner is probably the oddest duck in their line-up, the HD Sportster Roadster. It's not fast, handling is peculiar and that funny peanut tank leaves you nowhere to lock your knees which is kinda necessary on a cafe style bike. But, it's buckets of fun to ride and push to it's limits, which come pretty quickly.

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    I recently rode this one back to back with a Scout and the Indian is a far better engineered machine but I had way more fun on the Roadster. Go figure.
     
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    Everyone has their opinion for sure, but "charm and character" are not descriptions I would use in
    describing HD's. However "It's not fast, handling is peculiar" are definitely descriptive phrases I
    would use.
     
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    Fair enough, to elaborate "charm and character" would be compared against bikes I'm used to riding which are mostly Japanese standards and sporty type rides. HD's have a lot more rumble, not vibration, not noise (the stock exhaust is not loud), I guess shaking is the proper word but never to the point of being too disruptive, the gearboxes are clunkier and I find the brakes to be average. Handling can be quite good on certain models like the Sport Glide. The redline is low but on most of the bikes there is gobs of torque. It's like riding a Moto Guzzi, there is a definite throwback feel about the whole machine but the fit and finish is modern. I guess the charm of it all is that it isn't a typical riding experience for me and that isn't a bad thing buuuuut I wouldn't want it as my daily rider.
     
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    About that "handling can be quite good" thing. Try taking that SportGlide through a bumpy corner
    and see if you don't change your mind in an instant, after experiencing the "Harley Death Wobble".
    Rubber mounting the rear swing arm is not the road to decent handling when the road is a little
    rough.
     
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    I rode it through some crappy, undulating, tar-snake covered twisty roads in the canyons of Arizona and it handled fine.
     
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    It's not uncommon for a Harley with a few miles on it to go into severe to semi-severe wobbles
    after hitting bumps mid-corner, at or near it's cornering limits, which on a Harley are not all
    that great. It almost dumped my stepson on his StreetGlide. He said it scared the crap out of him.
     
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    I have not experienced the death wobble but I have seen it almost take out a guy once. I think he shat himself.
     
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    With unsafe, untrained, riders, unsafe motorcycles, that are always in the way and crossing centerlines in the mountains where I ride. They ask for it and they do get hit often in mountain riding. They're cool though.....in their own minds........
     
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    You are joking aren't you? No one would rubber mount a swingarm.
     
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    Not joking in the least. When we tried to troubleshoot my step-son's wild wobble on his '08 Street Glide, we pulled the swingarm to check the bushings.

    The swingarm mounts to a through shaft that is located, loosely speaking, by big ol' rubber donuts in the frame. Oh, and the motor, you know that big old lump that is also rubber and heim rod mounted, also mounts to the through shaft for the swing arm

    They have aftermarket bushings that are much stiffer and allow less movement that the OEM ones. But a really piss poor design. IMO of course.
     
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    Seriously?

    I do credit HD with great marketing execution that effectively makes people emotional enough that they do no research, get no training, then go out and kill themselves on a POS that they are not trained to ride safely. Riding a HD safely is an oxymoron.
     
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    Your talking about a company that has know about their engine design flaws since the late 30's and refuse to change it, the vibration and feel is what makes it a Harley. lmao

    They did/do make a counterbalanced engine that is much smoother. Forget which model.
     
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    They should rubber mount the front and rear axles as well as the steering stem for that authentic totally flexible riding sensation.
     
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    We have to keep this thread going just because of the humor in it. It's a hoot, LOL!

    I recently got back from a few days in Western NC and the place was infested with HD's on a pretty weekend. There was barely a place to park at The Gap Store due to literally nothing but Hogs parked there. The Gap itself was almost empty of traffic but, as is mostly the case, HD's are usually seen parked. I noticed they always travel in "packs" in a line that makes passing difficult in twisties. Then when I go to pass them, they get pissed off by attempting to pull up too close to my back end. Brake lights make them panic though when I pull in the middle of a herd then continue putting them in the mirrors. There's something about being on a loud HD going slow that puts them on a power trip of some kind it seems.

    If it makes them happy then good. I just find it best for me to not be around them. They bring with them too many bad habits. Ever notice the riders and passenger chicks seem to suffer from obesity and are seen stopping to smoke or vape something often? I guess it takes a 900# machine to move them, LOL! I'll take a maneuverable pretty quick VFR that stays out of the shop any day. I tend to ride alone 99% of the time because either nobody can keep up with me or I just like the freedom of not being "led" by someone that can't ride a motorcycle. And then there are the tricycles and trailers.....
     
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    1. The local hardly boutique changed its name. Now in big letters on the front of the building it says DEFIANCE! Wtf

    2. I heard two gay pirates talking about test rides on the new bikes. They really liked the 107 inch motor, but "the 103 motor didn't have enough power to pull up a hill". I don't know how I've survived all these years on little 650 wee stroms.

    3. My Norton and I were temporarily behind an old, 300 pounder, no helmet on his brite yellow hair, shorts and sandles. High ape hangers tipped forward so he could barely reach, and his shirt blowing up to show the most obscene ass crack.. ONLY A HARDLY RIDER COULD DO THAT!
     
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    Got behind five wobblers on a perfect road...they were actually almost hitting 35MPH on the straights. Woohoo!
    Doesn't bother me, I guess I just don't understand or appreciate moving slowly.
    To each their own.

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    Nor do I. That's 2nd gear speed. Speed limits are merely a suggestion and are for other people. Be thankful that specimen didn't fart, Rich Stone.
     
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    Just got back from Western NC and the place was infested with them. It was funny (or sad) seeing a herd of them leaving The Gap store revving up the noise makers with ape hangers going on the Dragon to slay it....or get slain. Was surprised there were not that many sport bikes.
     
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    nowhere near as much as i HATE #45.....................:eek: we need a competent assassin.
     
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    I don’t get them at all, I commute weekly now 300 miles a week and average speed is 75, and who always have to pass me in an unsafe manner with there unseen loud pipes, Hardleys.
    Now in LA I’m seeing a gang on stunt bikes and harleys with back to back R’s as there logos, what a bunch of asshats. Rolling road blocks then TRY to pop wheelies in front of you in the diamond lane.
    SMH
    Going to shit in a hand basket


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